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QB race undecided after Saturday

It doesn’t appear as if a starting quarterback will be named in the aftermath of Saturday’s scrimmage.

Maxwell Smith

Maxwell Smith

The scrimmage, the first of fall camp, was the first look Joker Phillips and his coaching staff had at the four quarterbacks in the midst of the newly minted position battle. Senior Morgan Newton, sophomore Maxwell Smith, and true freshmen Patrick Towles and Jalen Whitlow are all being given their fair shake to earn the starter’s job, and Phillips has said since camp opened that the competition would remain open until one proved himself to be substantially separated from the pack.

Phillips said he would review the film from Saturday’s scrimmage, but no significant separation was apparent watching from the field.

“I think there was more good than bad, but the difference between quarterback play and offensive line or receiver, if you make a couple of bad plays then it really shows, and it's the only thing people usually remember,” Phillips said. “We have to make sure we're playing clean all the time at that position. We'll watch the film and see if it's a big enough separation to make a decision.”

The scrimmage, like regular practices this fall, was closed to the public and the media, and stats of Saturday’s scrimmage were not available. As such, the only evaluations of the four quarterbacks’ day at Commonwealth Stadium were from the coaches in interviews afterward. Phillips abstained from mentioning any of the quarterbacks by name. He instead spoke in generalities. Offensive coordinator Randy Sanders did not.

If the following is heavy on quotes, it’s because quotes are the only information available.

Sanders said Smith has likely been the most consistent in fall camp so far and has “really done a nice job.” Newton has worked hard in practices so far, but Sanders said he’s still recovering from offseason surgery to repair a torn labrum.

“Labrum surgery for a quarterback is like Tommy John surgery for a pitcher or ACL surgery for a running back,” Sanders said. “It’s not something that the doctors just one day say you’re better, and you go out there and you’re where you were before. It takes time to build up the strength, the muscle memory and a little bit just to get confidence in it that everything’s OK.”

Sanders can evaluate the aforementioned two candidates because he’s been around them for a while now, and he knows each player’s capabilities and tendencies. Assessing Towles and Whitlow, then, is a bit more difficult. The freshmen will alternate promising plays with pain-inducing ones, Sanders said. “Boy, it’s amazing,” he said. “Sometimes they revert back to things they did as a sophomore in high school. You wonder, ‘What is that?’”

Patrick Towles

Patrick Towles

As such, Sanders said “it’s pretty easy to see” that Smith and Newton are in first and second in the quarterback race in no particular order, if only because of the time they’ve spent learning and practicing the offense as opposed to the two rookies. That doesn’t mean the newcomers couldn’t theoretically win the job, but through nine practices, Sanders said he wouldn’t expect much more.

When asked of Towles’ progress, and specifically what the highly touted recruit had done so far in camp that made him look like a freshman, Sanders described how steep the learning curve is for an incoming quarterback.

“He’s learning a new offense,” Sanders said. “It’s a lot like learning a new language. He’s got a really good start on that. The biggest thing is the sheer volume of defenses he’s facing. He’s saw more defense in the plays he got today than he probably saw in the last four years of high school. Just trying to see all those things, digest them and then learn how to react with the new language he’s speaking, it takes a little time.”

Towles could still win the job because of his talent, Sanders said. But then again, anybody could. Based on how Phillips and Sanders spoke Saturday, the competition still seemed wide open.

“He can obviously throw the football. Sometimes he’s looking one way and throwing it to somebody when his whole progression is on the other side of the field and he should be working there,” Sanders said of Towles. “He, I think, can get there. Whether it happens in the next month or whether it happens in the next three months or whether it happens in the next two years, I don’t know. But he can get there. I can see that ability.”

James Pennington
    • For some reason after reading this, I get the feeling Towles is the number 1 right now. Call me crazy.

      footballcat65

    • footballcat65 said...

      For some reason after reading this, I get the feeling Towles is the number 1 right now. Call me crazy.

      You're crazy.

      trekkev

    • trekkev said...

      You're crazy.

      +1

      rompcat

    • rompcat said...

      +1

      OK thanks guys! LOLcheers

      footballcat65

    • footballcat65 said...

      OK thanks guys! LOLcheers

      Just playing around. :D

      But, I'm not sure how you get the feeling Towles is number 1 when the article states this:

      *****
      As such, Sanders said “it’s pretty easy to see” that Smith and Newton are in first and second in the quarterback race in no particular order, if only because of the time they’ve spent learning and practicing the offense as opposed to the two rookies. That doesn’t mean the newcomers couldn’t theoretically win the job, but through nine practices, Sanders said he wouldn’t expect much more.
      *****

      rompcat

    • rompcat said...

      Just playing around. :D

      But, I'm not sure how you get the feeling Towles is number 1 when the article states this:

      ***** As such, Sanders said “it’s pretty easy to see” that Smith and Newton are in first and second in the quarterback race in no particular order, if only because of the time they’ve spent learning and practicing the offense as opposed to the two rookies. That doesn’t mean the newcomers couldn’t theoretically win the job, but through nine practices, Sanders said he wouldn’t expect much more. *****

      Just got the feeling from this for some reason Romp?

      Towles could still win the job because of his talent, Sanders said. But then again, anybody could. Based on how Phillips and Sanders spoke Saturday, the competition still seemed wide open.

      “He can obviously throw the football. Sometimes he’s looking one way and throwing it to somebody when his whole progression is on the other side of the field and he should be working there,” Sanders said of Towles. “He, I think, can get there. Whether it happens in the next month or whether it happens in the next three months or whether it happens in the next two years, I don’t know. But he can get there. I can see that ability.”

      Like I said, it's all fun and speculation right now. I truly trust Joker and coach Sanders. Nothing more nothing less. It's coach speak.

      footballcat65

    • Reading that, I admittedly have some concerns (and let me preface that I don't care who is under center as long as they're the best option to win). It's a little discerning that there's little separation between a healthy Maxwell Smith and (as Sanders says himself) a still recovering from shoulder injury Morgan Newton. The optimist in me hopes that it's because Newton is finally rising to his potential, but I can't help but feel uneasy about it. I also hate that we're still trying to decide on a starter. I was hoping that maybe coming into this season we'd at least have one guy who had stepped up enough to garner the majority of the first string snaps for the sake of his development.

      I'm not trying to be a debbie downer or anything though. I realize there's still time before the season starts and that things could change drastically before then. I also know that the coaches could be keeping their cards close to their vest in order to gain an advantage over Louisville while they try to prep for whomever we have under center. And I did like what they had to say about our backs and our WRs which will hopefully translate to some much needed help for whomever is under center.

      WildcatBelle

    • I think Sanders was saying that they see Towles as having the highest ceiling of the bunch, but he doesn't give us the best chance to win right now. I think Joker's comment about throwing out past performance is setting the stage for Newton to win the job, but he knows he will get crushed by the fan base if Newton isn't the best BY FAR in the competition. We will see. I think Smith will start the year and might get replaced by Newton or Towles at some point. They might even try a 2 QB system with Newton running more and Smith being the pocket passer. Better WRs certainly help.

      Cats Den

    • This whole situation is ridiculous. Smith is better than Newton who is coming off a severe injury. The other two guys are true freshmen. Where is the mystery? Why not just name Smith the starter baring injury?

      zcats

    • zcats said...

      This whole situation is ridiculous. Smith is better than Newton who is coming off a severe injury. The other two guys are true freshmen. Where is the mystery? Why not just name Smith the starter baring injury?

      If Smith were clearly out performing Newton, I would agree. However, no one has reported that to be the case, in fact, I've read more about Newton than Smith. I honestly dont care who the QB is, may the best man win.

      Lapcat86

    • It's not Sanders place to name anyone or let anyone know who the QB will be. That's Joker's job and Sanders has too much class to do otherwise.

      As such, trying to deduce who the starter will be from his comments is a futile tasks.

      jamccain

    • zcats said...

      This whole situation is ridiculous. Smith is better than Newton who is coming off a severe injury. The other two guys are true freshmen. Where is the mystery? Why not just name Smith the starter baring injury?

      Exactly how I feel about it. I think coaches can out think themselves sometimes.

      Katonic

    • Katonic said...

      Exactly how I feel about it. I think coaches can out think themselves sometimes.

      Exactly, JP is doing this to keep ul from practicing for just one QB, by doing this, he keeps ul on both guys. I like this type of coaching, especially if Smith is still getting most of the snaps.

      UKlaw82

    • I'm not much on the "can't choose, there isn't much separation". Pick your guy, get the rest of the team behind him and go. If I'm an OL, I want to know who I'm trying to protect every play during practice and going into the season. A football team needs a figure to rally around, that is how football works.

      Katonic

    • UKlaw82 said...

      Exactly, JP is doing this to keep ul from practicing for just one QB, by doing this, he keeps ul on both guys. I like this type of coaching, especially if Smith is still getting most of the snaps.

      Because its a big secret what either guy can do? I dont buy this line of reasoning.

      Joker needs to try a different routine for once and name a qb already. Let the #1 get all the reps and snaps with firat team O to build the chemistry needed for a succesful offense.

      Chiuk

    • UKlaw82 said...

      Exactly, JP is doing this to keep ul from practicing for just one QB, by doing this, he keeps ul on both guys. I like this type of coaching, especially if Smith is still getting most of the snaps.

      There's usually a difference in just coach speak and some of the info we're getting through interviews with the coaches. Part of it may be a rouse but I honestly believe that it is still open and not just for the sake of a smoke screen.

      WildcatBelle

    • zcats said...

      This whole situation is ridiculous. Smith is better than Newton who is coming off a severe injury. The other two guys are true freshmen. Where is the mystery? Why not just name Smith the starter baring injury?

      I tend to agree with this point...

      If based solely upon last year in REAL games:
      - Newton was statistically one of 4 worst QB in all of D1
      - First half vs. MSU...3 weak points on gift FG..Second half with Smith...we moved the ball and scored 13 pts
      - Ole Miss game we score 30 pts..yes Ole Miss was bad...but Newton was putting up 14 pts WKU, 27 CMichigan and 38 vs. Jax St (in a game where Newton threw only 16 passes).

      I'm sorry...but trotting out Newton again is just plain silliest of a notion Joker has done yet if it comes to pass. In REAL games, with exact same OL, WR, TE, etc..Smith out performed Newton. Smith may not be that great, but he is not close to one of 5 worst QBs in D1....Newton's performance was what all fans could see with their own eyes. My hope is this is just all conjecture to give some weak smoke screen to UL in opener...and that Smith is the choice, Newton is the backup and Towles gets a RS to learn/absorb as much of the system as he can.

      K__TIME

    • A lot of you fans need to understand that having the position up for grabs is not a bad one at the moment, they'll have there starter after next week.

      morbidky84

    • Chiuk said...

      Because its a big secret what either guy can do? I dont buy this line of reasoning.

      Joker needs to try a different routine for once and name a qb already. Let the #1 get all the reps and snaps with firat team O to build the chemistry needed for a succesful offense.

      About this:

      "Because its a big secret what either guy can do? I dont buy this line of reasoning. "

      I don't buy that line of reasoning either, which is good on both our accounts because no one has claimed that to be the reasoning for the publicly declared uncertainty that I know of.

      Time is spent in practice preparing for what the opponent is able to do. Uncertainty as to who the starter will be on the field can affect the distribution of time spent practicing against various strengths and weaknesses. Forcing the opponent's defense to spend its time practicing against two differing sets of strengths and weaknesses is better than allowing one's opponent to spend all its defensive preparation against the strengths and weaknesses of the one who will actually start. To reiterate, this has nothing to do with it being a secret what the two most likely starters can do and everything to do with the fact that it is not a secret.

      Whether or not that is the actual reasoning for the coaches' statements, I don't know. Perhaps it is because there really isn't much separation. Perhaps it is a means to push Smith. Perhaps it is a means to give props and hope to a player who has given a lot to this team in the form of Newton. The possibility of using it to push and give hope to the freshmen QB prospects is also there. Perhaps it is all the above or a combination of some of these or some others not mentioned.

      Point being that whether it is simple truth, motivation, attempts to leave an opponent guessing, or to shelter a team from too much negative criticism when they should be focused elsewhere, there are lots of reasons to be vague and unspecific as well as close practices.

      Edit: wording to third line

      This post was edited by rompcat on 8/12/2012 at 10:11 AM

      rompcat

    • morbidky84 said...

      A lot of you fans need to understand that having the position up for grabs is not a bad one at the moment, they'll have there starter after next week.

      From the non-fan I suppose. Why post then?

      vhcat1970

    • rompcat said...

      About this:

      "Because its a big secret what either guy can do? I dont buy this line of reasoning. "

      I don't buy that line of reasoning either, which is good on both our accounts because no one has claimed that to be the reasoning for the publicly declared uncertainty that I know of.

      Time is spent in practice preparing for what the opponent is able to do. Uncertainty as to who the starter will be on the field can affect the distribution of time spent practicing against various strengths and weaknesses. Forcing the opponent's defense to spend its time practicing against two differing sets of strengths and weaknesses is better than allowing one's opponent to spend all its defensive preparation against the strengths and weaknesses of the one who will actually start. To reiterate, this has nothing to do with it being a secret what the two most likely starters can do and everything to do with the fact that it is not a secret.

      Whether or not that is the actual reasoning for the coaches' statements, I don't know. Perhaps it is because there really isn't much separation. Perhaps it is a means to push Smith. Perhaps it is a means to give props and hope to a player who has given a lot to this team in the form of Newton. The possibility of using it to push and give hope to the freshmen QB prospects is also there. Perhaps it is all the above or a combination of some of these or some others not mentioned.

      Point being that whether it is simple truth, motivation, attempts to leave an opponent guessing, or to shelter a team from too much negative criticism when they should be focused elsewhere, there are lots of reasons to be vague and unspecific as well as close practices.

      Edit: wording to third line

      How much more does Smith or Newton need to be "pushed"? At some point you have to settle in with a starter and let our first string QB develop chemistry with the OL, the WRs, and the RBs.

      As for other teams having to prepare for either Smith or Newton.....I'm not real sure there's much a difference in prep b/c opposing teams likely prepare for the style of offense we run, not necessarliy who's running the show at QB.

      Further, our Newton is not Cam Newton - so it's not like we have two completely opposite QB styles here. So, again, I'm not sure there is much of a time difference for a team to prepare for either of these guys.

      Just my opinion. I really don't think UL is wasting a whole lot of time preparing for MN.

      This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Chiuk on 8/12/2012 at 1:24 PM

      Chiuk

    • vhcat1970 said...

      From the non-fan I suppose. Why post then?

      No, I'm a fan of UK but you guys are really making this site like the old catpause, they are not saying much cause you can't divide your team. Last year was a meltdown and we had a guy getting all the main reps, I rather see 4 qbs fight for the job. It will make the whole team better

      This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by morbidky84 on 8/12/2012 at 1:49 PM

      morbidky84

    • morbidky84 said...

      No, I'm a fan of UK but you guys are really making this site like the old catpause, they are not saying much cause you can't divide your team. Last year was a meltdown and we had a guy getting all the main reps, I rather see 4 qbs fight for the job. It will make the whole team better

      I think the longer it goes, the more likely you create a situation where team division/dissent occurs. Remember Hal Mumme. He named starters in the Spring...stuck to it (except dusty bonner debacle) ..... and it worked.

      Name 1 now, and its easier for the team to rally around THE guy.

      This post was edited by Chiuk on 8/12/2012 at 2:14 PM

      Chiuk

    • QB 1=lock Maxwell Smith

      trekkev

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