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** HOB Topic of The Day - Thursday, May 26 - FB scheduling **

  • Thought we'd talk a little football scheduling today after reading earlier this week that Kent State announced Kentucky as part of its non-conference schedule for 2012. This bit of news didn't come as a big surprise. After all, UK and Kent State are semi-regular opponents, having squared off six times since 1984.

    My question here today is this: After five consecutive trips to bowl games, do you believe that UK should step up its non-conference scheduling a bit and offer fans a game with a potential regional rival or another intriguing matchup? Would fans enjoy seeing the Wildcats square off with Notre Dame? Certainly. A trip to see the Cats play in the shadows of Touchdown Jesus would be priceless. How about state neighbors Virginia or West Virginia? Maybe even Ohio State? Broadening the scope, what about a home-and-home with Oregon with all the ties between Rich Brooks, Mitch Barnhart and UK?

    All of that may sound great, but bigger question might be, can they afford it at this stage in the program's growth? The 8-game SEC schedule puts strain on a program like UK in two different ways. The first is obvious: 8 games against the strongest league in college football. That only leaves you four to work with, and when you're targeting six-plus wins per season as the bare-minimum to call a season a success, that doesn't leave you with much wiggle room.

    The second challenge is revenue. UK already plays a home-and-home with rival Louisville as one of those four non-conference games, so that leaves only three dates as big revenue-makers at Commonwealth Stadium. In order to "spice up" the UK schedule a bit, the Cats may have get away from the annual series with Louisville. Would you support that? I know many believe UK would be better served to end the series when its current contract expires, but others love the Governor's Cup rivalry and would hate to think of a season without a chance to beat up on their fine-feathered friends from Louisville.

    So where do you think UK should be headed with the schedule? Status quo, minor changes, or major changes? Who would you add/drop to the slate?

    This post was edited by Jeff Drummond on 5/26/2011 at 1:22 PM

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  • Part of me wants UK to schedule the best teams every year. The other part realizes, until we get the athletes stock piled and actually get some 4 star players in here that will actually contribute we won't be able to, realistically.

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  • Personally...I'd tell UL and Jurich to go take a hike. I've never seen what UK has gained by playing UL. If they win, they were suppose to. Its a no win situation for UK.

    If UK were to drop UL I'd like to see them pick up another home/home with UVA, WVA, UNC, Duke and schools of that nature. I don't think they need to be scheduling Ohio St.

    As Jeff said the 8 game SEC schedule is tough enough. Add to the fact they can't climb to the .500 mark in league play is another reason not to schedule a team like tOSU.

    bigbluemist

  • I love the UL game. Granted it has helped their program more than ours but I love the rivalry. It is without question my favorite game of the year. There is nothing that has brought me more joy in the last few years to see UL crash and burn and for UK to beat them four times in a row (should be five this year). UL is improving and the series will probably start to even out until Cholley leaves.

    I think the rest of the nonconference schedule is weak but that's the way 99% of the teams in our conference and the rest of the country do it. We have nothing to gain by adding another powerhouse team to our schedule.

    PAXCAT

  • _Mike_ said...

    Part of me wants UK to schedule the best teams every year. The other part realizes, until we get the athletes stock piled and actually get some 4 star players in here that will actually contribute we won't be able to, realistically.

    Would going down to play a Georgia Tech or Miami on occasion help recruiting? Possibly.

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  • PAXCAT said...

    I love the UL game. Granted it has helped their program more than ours but I love the rivalry. It is without question my favorite game of the year. There is nothing that has brought me more joy in the last few years to see UL crash and burn and for UK to beat them four times in a row (should be five this year). UL is improving and the series will probably start to even out until Cholley leaves.

    I think the rest of the nonconference schedule is weak but that's the way 99% of the teams in our conference and the rest of the country do it. We have nothing to gain by adding another powerhouse team to our schedule.

    Absolutely. If we remove UL for Virginia or Missou or UNC, etc fine. But, why would any sane person add another BCS school to our schedule when were winning 6-7 games per year? Our football program would regress if we did that. We'd get more beat up than we already do and end up doing even worse in the conference.

    Hey, if we had a big east schedule I'd be all for it. No one ever gets on UL for having a cupcake OOCS and they have a cupcake conference. I hate that we play the same people every year and that our OOCS is weak and wish we could play some other teams. But, when you are locked into an 8 game SEC schedule and the SEC is as brutal as it is whatcha gonna do?

    That's why I'm glad the SEC is mediocre in B ball so we can go play the UNC's, Dukes, Mich states, etc. Look at UL's OOCS in basketball, its pathetic, because the Big East is too tough to do too much else.

    flknopp

  • Jesus, Jeff, those first teams you listed are like going from kindergarten to PhD level courses! I would like to see a change in some of our OOC opponents, but not such a huge step up in competition! Also, as best as possible, I would like to see OOC opponents picked based on recruiting strategy. How about a game with Cincy? Maybe a home and home, with the return at Paul Brown Stadium. How about a game against Georgia Tech, or maybe even our old friend Bill Curry's team (Georgia State)? Their "home" stadium is the Georgia Dome. Maybe a game against USF, UCF or Florida Atlantic (Howard's team)?

    As far as UL, I would like to see them at least try to get the game on an every other year schedule. If UL balks, then just kill the series altogether - take it or leave it.

    Finally, I think something should be done about the SEC schedule. My (radical) idea would be to do away with the east-west alignment in the SEC. Then, perhaps 2 to 4 years in advance, each team would pick eight other SEC teams to play in a random lottery.

    DACats86

  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Would going down to play a Georgia Tech or Miami on occasion help recruiting? Possibly.

    IMO, not if they get beat handily. If they play well, yes. I think they should continue to schedule patsy non-cons to strengthen the bowl opportunity. Let them beat Tennessee and maybe Florida at least once before they start talking about making the schedule harder.

    KSt

  • I really like the rivalary game with UL but in sayning that UL has beneiftied way more than UK. UK gets national exposure by just playing in the SEC. UL gets some from the Big East but how many people think of the Big East as a football conference? My guess would be very few. Playing UL is a no-win sitation for UK as someone said above. Everyone expects UK to beat UL just because of conference affialliation.

    I'd much rather play an Oregon, FSU, UNC or someone in a higher profile conference where it can help UK in recruiting with exposure. Just my two cents.

    footballcat65

  • I like the rivalry with UL as well, but like footballcat said, it benefits them more than us. I think we would benefit by playing some of the ACC teams. I'm not promoting we stack the deck, but as some point, you have to take that leap and trust how far your program has come. I wouldn't go to an Oregon or an Ohio State just yet, but maybe one day. ACC exposure would really make UK more familiar to the kids in NC, VA, FL, SC, GA, etc...

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  • Great topic by the way. It's one that always draws mixed responses.

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  • How about Boise State? They have stated they would travel anywhere to play a BCS game. Would be great to get them in Commonwealth on a Saturday night in September. Probably national TV the way the talking heads build them up,

    gmac1111

  • Do we have anything to gain by beating a Boise State though? If we win, they say, "We knew Boise State was overrated." If we lose, it is, "Oh, Kentucky lost to Boise State. That's embarrassing." Not trying to be sexist, but it is why most guys won't wrestle a girl.

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  • Matt May said...

    We used to argue about this all the time on the other site and I would always point out that UK does the exact same thing in scheduling as nearly all of the other SEC teams, and a lot of those power teams (Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, etc.) are a lot more capable of beefing up the schedule than UK, and yet don't. It just doesn't make a ton of sense IMHO.

    With one minor exception, though. Florida has FSU, but most of those aren't locked in to an annual non-conference rivalry like UK is with UofL. They have greater flexibility IMO.

    I don't want to give them impression that I think playing a tougher OOC opponent in addition to UofL is a good idea. I don't. I think fans would have to sacrifice a bit if they wanted to see that happen.

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  • WildcatDawg22 said...

    Do we have anything to gain by beating a Boise State though? If we win, they say, "We knew Boise State was overrated." If we lose, it is, "Oh, Kentucky lost to Boise State. That's embarrassing." Not trying to be sexist, but it is why most guys won't wrestle a girl.

    Probably don't have anything to gain, but I think Boise has grown past the point of anyone being surprised when they win. They've beaten Oklahoma. Beating UK wouldn't register a blip on the radar.

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  • I just saw on ESPN the other day a topic that said, "Boise State Overrated?" They are more established than before, but I'm not sure how much respect they have just yet.

    Jeff, how would the fans have to sacrifice to get a better opponent?

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  • WildcatDawg22 said...

    I just saw on ESPN the other day a topic that said, "Boise State Overrated?" They are more established than before, but I'm not sure how much respect they have just yet.

    Jeff, how would the fans have to sacrifice to get a better opponent?

    That may not have been the best choice of words. What I was trying to convey was "giving up the popular UofL game on an annual basis." I don't really see a way around that. Not currently. Maybe 5-10 years from now they could play UofL AND another good OOC team home-and-home, but not yet.

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  • I'd dump UaVel in a heartbeat. Leave Turtleneck and Cholly stewing in their own juices trying to find someone to help fill up the Pizza Pit. I'd rather have a home & home against someone like UCF, USF, FAU/FIU, Miami in Florida where we seem to be trying to recruit more. An ACC school like Wake, GT or UVA. Maybe even someone like a UCLA somewhere down the road. All of those would be interesting (as well as winnable) matchups.

    JDHoss

  • I think their is a fine line when it comes to replacing UL on the schedule. I'm not sure an Indiana or Southern Miss would be a step up, would beating those teams really garner any attention? OTOH a game with GTech would be appealing for many reasons, whether they are having a good or bad season they do have a marketable name and they are right in the heart of our recruiting territory.

    I couldn't care less about giving up the UL game but I would hope UK would schedule a series we could be competitive in and one that is at least a benefit to our recruiting efforts.

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    rgunslinger

  • rgunslinger said...

    I think their is a fine line when it comes to replacing UL on the schedule. I'm not sure an Indiana or Southern Miss would be a step up, would beating those teams really garner any attention? OTOH a game with GTech would be appealing for many reasons, whether they are having a good or bad season they do have a marketable name and they are right in the heart of our recruiting territory.

    I couldn't care less about giving up the UL game but I would hope UK would schedule a series we could be competitive in and one that is at least a benefit to our recruiting efforts.

    I agree about USM & IU, although we do seem to be looking at more Indiana kids than we used to. I'd rather we found someone in Jawja or Florida to replace UaVel with.

    JDHoss

  • I think we all like the U of L game, more benefits to them or not and I wouldn't like to see it go by the wayside. I would like another good OOC game, like others have said it doesn't need to be an Oregon or Ohio State but someone we have a fair chance of beating and on a similar level to us. Its hard to get excited about beating the likes of Akron, I think we could live without making bowls all the time and a couple of 5-6 win seasons in down years for a better schedule.

    I would support U of L, another good team and 2 patsies making up our OOC schedule even if it meant we didn't make a bowl every year!

    And I would love for the good teams to be in places that would help us with recruiting - how about a series against a Texas team, a FLA team or someone in NC? I dont think we need to schedule Georgia Tech, we already play UGA and get great recruiting in that state, some for SC with South Carolina. I'd like to play teams from states we don't play in conference!

    QueenLizzysWildcat

  • 1. It's stupid to make the schedule more difficult when we have to play an 8 game SEC schedule.

    2. I like the UL series but it needs to be moved to the LAST game of the year like the real rivalries are.

    3. I wouldn't mind having the UL series be every other year if it meant having a new rivalry to replace it on the odd year like say Cinci, WVU, GT, UNC, NCState, duke, UCF, Houston, TT, Purdue, Missouri, The caveat there is that when we have UL at home then we would play that team on the road and vice versa.

    4. Need to petition the SEC and get a schedule change in the SEC. It's stupid to always play TN the last game of the year and UF early in the year. Why the crap can't UF ever come to UK late in the year when it's freezing?

    5. ALL of our OOC games should be based on two prinicples, #1 potential W and #2 recruiting area

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    That may not have been the best choice of words. What I was trying to convey was "giving up the popular UofL game on an annual basis." I don't really see a way around that. Not currently. Maybe 5-10 years from now they could play UofL AND another good OOC team home-and-home, but not yet.

    I agree, it would be a mistake to toughen the schedule and end up winning 5 games and not be bowl eligible. However I would like to see them drop the nonbowl subdivision teams in favor of a smaller division 1 team.

    blueboy

  • This is a tough issue because over the last 5 years, UK has played the weakest composite schedule, per Sagarin Strength of Schedule measures, of all the SEC teams. Vandy's schedule is tougher. So is Ole Miss's, indeed all of the other SEC teams have played stronger schedules.

    The overall weakness of UK's non-conference schedule is further magnified by the typically very tough SEC East schedule each year.

    This is a major factor in my continuing concern about how far this football program has really come in recent years.

    As for the Louisville game, I have opposed it philosophically since the inception of the annual basketball game in the 1980s, and since the addition of the football game. The game does not benefit UK Football or Basketball, and both UK programs could replace the Louisville game with an opponent that would be more significant and provide the programs better exposure for recruiting and national attention. I opposed this game in the 1980s. I have opposed it ever since. I oppose it today. I will oppose it tomorrow and forever long as it persists.

    This post was edited by TheProfessor on 5/27/2011 at 6:24 AM

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  • Drop UofL in 5 years and pick up Ohio St.

    I see not point in playing a middling program like Indiana or Virginia or even West Virginia for that matter. If you are going to change it up then make it worth your while.

    We don't need to worry about our schedule for another 5 years though. It's perfect the way it is.

    I don't understand giving up a home game to play in a Pro Stadium though. I know it costs $700k-$1M now to get teams to do a home only series, but you recoup that back in ticket sales and the ability to host recruits. I don't think recruits can come watch games a certain distance from campus, but maybe that's wrong. I have changed my mind on this since last year. I was fur it but now that I think about it, I'm again' it.

    I'd love to see the revenue from the Miami (OH) game compared to a home game. Matt, Jeff, James...that your FOA assignment for today!

    blue mold