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A&M, 13th Team.

  • One day closer boys!

    http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/31544560

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by catsruleky on 8/25/2011 at 7:49 PM

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    catsruleky

  • Sorry guys, the site won't let me add the link. You will have to copy and past.

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  • Here we go. Buckle up. The SEC is about to become the first superconference. Don't be surprised if a couple of other Big XII schools follow suit. I'd love to see Mizzou added, as well as Oklahoma or Okie St. And, get VA Tech or F$U from the ACC.

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    alphacat93

  • Like I said 2 weeks ago, i simply cant' think of a worse thing to happen to UK Football.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Like I said 2 weeks ago, i simply cant' think of a worse thing to happen to UK Football.

    Agree.

    PHCD

  • PHCD said...

    Agree.

    Respectfully disagree, at least for the moment. Will have to see how this all settles, but I have to think it will be a benefit to the overall UK sports program and especially the football program. You don't improve your team or program by 'begging' for wins or playing 'down'. jmo

    garywayne

  • It should be clear to anyone that to be competitive in football in the SEC requires competitiveness on the national stage, e.g. a top 25 level program. A commitment to win 6 or 7 games a year will not get it done on the field, even though being the SEC Doormat will certainly pad the old bank account.

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    TheProfessor

  • Yea, I disagree as well. I don't see how adding additional teams to the conference is going to hurt Kentucky Football. If you haven't noticed we haven't done so hot the last 30 years so we can only go up. Also, by giving us more exsposure by adding additional viewing markets can only help us with recruiting, to that extent the ESPN deal can really benefit us down the road with us being on TV nearly every game and now we could be adding the state of Texas to that mix. I don't know about you guys but I would rather keep playing a quality schedule in the best conference as opposed to beating up on cupcakes just to keep our bowl streak alive.

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  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Like I said 2 weeks ago, i simply cant' think of a worse thing to happen to UK Football.

    Then we should join CUSA or the BE.

    DACats86

  • I posted this a couple weeks ago as to why aTm to the SEC isn't good for UK football, IMO.

    So UK football gets yet another strong, storied program with an incredibly fertile recruiting base on the schedule. This doesn't really open up recruiting for us, IMO. Think we're the only SEC school that's saying that? Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Arkansas will have a say in who gets those recruits. And that's after aTm, Texas, TTU, and Oklahoma have had their pick. Just because there's a SEC market in a fertile state doesn't guarantee recruits for us. How many 4 stars have we landed out of Florida? Trevathan was a big get for us, but it's not like we're pumping players out of the state. Sure we may get a recruit or two, but overall, this isn't an advantage for us.

    aTm is #9 preseaon. They are just another obstacle in our climb of becoming a quality football program that can compete in conference. People say that adding another quality OOC opponent hurts because this program isn't on solid enough ground to risk going 3-1 (or 2-2 if Louisville beats us). Why is this any different? In all likelihood, the SEC schedule would move to 9. So instead of adding a WVU, Va Tech, or Mizzou (those are commonly mentioned as OOC opponenets), we get another SEC team. That's much harder than any of those teams.

    While an addition of aTm would unquestionably benefit the strength/dominance of the SEC in college athletics, this deal does not end in a net positive for UK Football. Instead, we get another mountain on our hike to competitiveness in conference.

    PHCD

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Like I said 2 weeks ago, i simply cant' think of a worse thing to happen to UK Football.

    I'm affraid you may be correct. If this happens will UL remain on the schedule?

    flknopp

  • I would be very surprised if the SEC moves to 9 conference games. Also, AM is no tougher than the teams we already play and they will probably be added to the West which means we will only play them every five or six years. Besides like it or not this is going to happen, I guess we could patition to move over to the Big East or C-USA. Also, UL will always be on our schedule. I don't know why people talk of removing them because the State of Kentucky will never let that happen.

    This post was edited by catsruleky on 8/26/2011 at 10:07 AM

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  • If Texas A&M is added, then another team would have to be added, making the East go to 7 teams. This has all but been confirmed by the Presidents. With 14 SEC teams, the league would need to add another conference game, as you would have to play your East teams, as well as play 3 West teams to avoid a 7 or 8 year rotating schedule. I'd be shocked if the schedule remained at 8 games.

    I don't believe I said anything about the Big East or CUSA.

    Don't be so sure the Presidents will jump at this. Who besides "an unnamed SEC source" for ESPN has said that the SEC wants aTm? Maybe it was the same source that said Les Miles to Michigan? And, like you said, aTm would be in the West, do you really think Alabama, Auburn, and LSU want another high quality team that they have to go through to get to the BCSCG? There's as much incentive for the powers to say no to Texas A&M as the little guys. And if one school has more pull in this than others, it would be Alabama.

    Another thing that isn't getting mentioned that isn't part of the logistics and is more sentimental is what the SEC means. Saturdays in fall are the best days of the year. A big reason for that is SEC football. It's something that all other conferences envy. It is the most prestigious conference in sports. Why take away from that? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Increasing the SEC from 12 to 14 or 16 waters down the conference. Sure, more quality teams are added, but they aren't the same quality as Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Auburn. It would be comparable from Mensa changing admittance from the 95th percentile to the 90th. Is it still better than everybody? Absolutely. But is it still that select few? No. The SEC is great as it is. Leave it alone.

    PHCD

  • The only way this could become a positive for UK is if the SEC added teams like Maryland, Virgina, WVU, or possibly Clemson....teams that UK could beat on a regular basis. If the SEC goes big and adds some of the traditional powers that have been mentioned, UK will be an underdog in roughly 90% of their yearly schedule. How is that good for the program?

    MinterWonderlnd

  • Keep in mind that the SEC will balance out with an east team within a year if they accept A&M this year. My bet is that A&M joins in 2013-14 so they avoid paying a huge exit fee. This also gives time to bring Virginia Tech or a North Carolina school into the SEC. I think Va Tech could become a great rivalry for UK. Also, UK is stronger than any of the North Carolina schools in football now that UNC is in trouble.

    Land The Plane

    blueblindness

  • Looks like everybody in the last 10 minutes is thinking the same thing... the 14th team is what UK needs to pay attention to. Another team out of the West just makes it easier or harder for the East as a whole... it does not solely affect UK or Vandy necessarily.

    Land The Plane

    blueblindness

  • I know you didn't mention the Big East or CUSA, I was just making the point that I don't care if more good programs join. I would rather have a schedule full of quality teams as opposed to playing a Big East or CUSA schedule. You make good points, however I believe this is going to happen and you could be correct about the addition of a 9th conference game. It's hard for me to believe that AM would go out on a limb and inform the Big 12 of their intentions if something wasn't already in the works. Because now that they have informed the Big 12, what happens if the SEC does say "No Thanks". AM would look really silly if they didn't have anywhere to go.

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  • Maybe we could have 14 teams in the SEC and just rotate two teams on probation every other year.lol

    Suchy500

  • PHCD said...

    Another thing that isn't getting mentioned that isn't part of the logistics and is more sentimental is what the SEC means. Saturdays in fall are the best days of the year. A big reason for that is SEC football. It's something that all other conferences envy. It is the most prestigious conference in sports. Why take away from that? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Increasing the SEC from 12 to 14 or 16 waters down the conference. Sure, more quality teams are added, but they aren't the same quality as Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Auburn. It would be comparable from Mensa changing admittance from the 95th percentile to the 90th. Is it still better than everybody? Absolutely. But is it still that select few? No. The SEC is great as it is. Leave it alone.

    But the SEC is in a position of being the chooser at the moment, not the beggar. Everyone is getting in position for the inevitable 16 team power conferences to allow an eventual playoff. I think adding A&M and Va. Tech would be a net positive for the SEC tradition and atmosphere. Go on the A&M board. They are giddy just thinking about being in the SEC. What I worry about is team 15 and 16. if they compromise and add someone like Clemson, NC State, or Georgia Tech, I agree that it is bad for the conference. I like Florida State for a cultural fit, but they would never get past the Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida no votes. If UNC and Duke would come as teams 15 and 16, I think it would be a great fit. UNC would be tremendous rivals for South Carolina, which right now is nobody's first or even second biggest rival. They would also create a good rivalry with Tennessee. Duke would be great for Vandy and would boost our academic standing among the conferences. Plus, UNC brings a decent football program, but beatable. Duke will be on par with Vandy. This lifts Kentucky to a perennial mid level threat in the East instead of hanging in the bottom half.

    Land The Plane

    blueblindness

  • Great Topic Guys! So we have been talking about if this happens with AM would a ninth conference game be added? Well think about this, what if we do add teams 15 and 16, how many conferece games will be played then and in addition to that. If it gets to multiple super conferences would games 13 or 14 be added to the regular season or maybe keep it at 12 and finally add some type of playoff system?

    This post was edited by catsruleky on 8/26/2011 at 10:53 AM

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  • The only scenario where I would support SEC expansion is, as you mentioned, if power conferences begin to form. But, I don't see power conferences forming unless the SEC is that first domino. Clemson, Florida State, and Va Tech have all reaffirmed their commitment to the ACC. This has already been discussed and is a point worth bringing back up, but I don't see any of those teams having desire to join the SEC. Being in the ACC in football is a huge advantage for those teams. All have good recruiting grounds, solid programs, and big fan bases. It is not relatively difficult for them to reach the BCS. That won't be the case in the SEC.

    Finding that 14th team might present some challenges unless it is a mid tier ACC or Big 12 team.

    PHCD

  • catsruleky said...

    Great Topic Guys!

    Ditto. I know this is taken for granted, but it's good to be able to talk about this without namecalling and negativity - the reasons why I left Rivals. Lots of good stuff in this thread.

    PHCD

  • Very true that the ACC teams are showing solidarity... for now. The assumption is that 4 conferences with 16 teams each will emerge. The SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12 are strong and not going anywhere. That leaves the Big 12, ACC, and Big East to survive kind of like when the Joker broke that pool cue and made the 3 gangsters fight to the death to see who joined his crew. The Big East is doing what it can to survive (see: invitation to TCU, which makes no geographical sense.) If Notre Dame threw their weight toward the Big East since they already play with them in everything except football, then it is possible that the ACC would die a Big 12 type death and absorb into the Big East and Big 10. Apparently, the ACC is shakier than they appear from a revenue standpoint, at least in football. Their conference championship game has never gotten any steam behind it, either. Very fun stuff to speculate about. All in all, I think this is what ultimately happens:

    Pac -12 - Picks up Texas and Texas Tech if the legislature makes a power play, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

    Big 10 - Missouri, Maryland, Rutgers, do their best to get Kansas without having to include Kansas State (schools must be AAU members, which is why Oklahoma would never get an invite). I could see Virginia here, too.

    SEC - Texas A&M, Virginia Tech, UNC, Duke. If the ACC dissolves, I could see UVA trying to come along with Va Tech. The Virginia legislature acts very much like Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas when it comes to keeping their schools together.

    Big East - Florida State, Miami, NC State, Clemson, Notre Dame comes on in football

    So, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor get the squeeze.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by blueblindness on 8/26/2011 at 12:56 PM

    Land The Plane

    blueblindness

  • Here's a good article that talks about expansion, mentioning why it might, or might not happen.

    Alabama | MrSEC.com

    The SEC expansion train is chugging along once again following yesterday's news that Texas AM had sent a letter to the Big 12 asking for a detailed primer

    www.mrsec.com

    PHCD

  • I'm going to have to disagree. To quote a very wise Ol' man "The rest of the SEC is not going to come down to our level. We need to step it up to climb the SEC ladder" (paraphrasing of course). I think Joker sees this the same way. When asked about how adding TAM will effect UK he said "it won't". By that I think he understands that the only way UK will be relevant in football in the SEC is to take that next sep up the ladder, win championships. His goal is not to just go to a bowl game. He wants to see UK win championships. I don't know about you , but I'm with him. I'm all in!

    bigcatinva