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AP Top 25 is out (UofL Ranked)

  • Alanin502 said...

    Just because there are none in the preseason poll, doesn't mean a few won't get ranked as several are just outside of the poll and it also doesn't take away from the team Strong has assembled. I tell you what, since we can only play who is in conference and many here are so concerned about the SOS that we play, why don't you guys lobby on our behalf for entry into the SEC so we can truly measure up to you guys to see which is the better program on equal terms?

    That is not going to happen, although it would help settle the argument a lot easier. Mainly because UK will never lobby on UL's behalf, and 14 teams is plenty for now. But, I do agree that the schedule does not change anything about what kind of "TEAM" UL has this season. The bottom line is, with the two schedules side by side (as is the case every year), it is pretty obvious that UL can have a much better record without having the better team. That is clear cut in my opinion. Consecutive seasons with a pretty good record allow teams the opportunity to be ranked. Therefore, the schedule does play a major role in ranking.

    shepp2700

  • As favorite to win the Big East, the Cards are #25

    Put the same Cards team in the SEC (or Big Ten or Big 12) and they don't get a sniff at the top 25.

    Believe it or not, the pre-season top 25 is going to be based on many voters projection of how many wins or losses at team will have in a given year. Why does this have to be the case? Because no teams have played yet, so there has be a certain amount of speculation based on:

    Past results (7 wins against weak Big East Competition),
    Expected improvement/decline (third year in Strong's system with a lot of decent young talent, a very talented QB, but mixed with a few holes left by talented departures)
    Strength of Schedule (The Big East is garbage at football, no if ands or buts about it)

    As a result, you're looking at 8-10 win season. Congrats. But against whom?

    There are only 6 teams in the SEC ranked ahead of the Cards in the AP poll. But I can guarantee if the Cards played all 14 teams, the best they could possibly do is 6 wins and 8 losses. And that's me being generous.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BlueBloodBob on 8/19/2012 at 11:51 AM

    BlueBloodBob

  • shepp2700 said...

    That is not going to happen, although it would help settle the argument a lot easier. Mainly because UK will never lobby on UL's behalf, and 14 teams is plenty for now. But, I do agree that the schedule does not change anything about what kind of "TEAM" UL has this season. The bottom line is, with the two schedules side by side (as is the case every year), it is pretty obvious that UL can have a much better record without having the better team. That is clear cut in my opinion. Consecutive seasons with a pretty good record allow teams the opportunity to be ranked. Therefore, the schedule does play a major role in ranking.

    Qft. Great post.

    hoptownukfan

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Qft. Great post.

    I agree can't argue with that. That being said, the only way to quiten the critics is for the big east to do well in its bowl games. Sans UC getting the bcs bid, the big east has done pretty well with its bcs rep and ooc during the regular season.

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    Alanin502

  • Alanin502 said...

    Rankings are not based on the fact of a teams schedule...maybe after the fact but certainly not preseason. The writers and coaches believe this is a top 25-30 team compared to other teams, not their schedules.

    I don't know what UofL fans you speak of saying we will go undefeated. Virtually all the ones I know, read about, and hear on radio are giving reasonable expectations of a 8, 9 or 10 win season.

    That would be primarily the guys on ESPN radio in Louisville, the people who call into their show, and the people that call into the afternoon underdogs. I've been doing a paint job the last three weeks, and I listen to sports radio while I work. I've heard more UL fans than I could count predict 10-12 wins. Many even said it would be a dissapointing season if they won less than 10.

    And yes, they do base pre-season rankings on schedules. They might not like to admit it, but those guys want to be as close to right as possible. In order to do that, they absolutely have to take schedule into consideration. They may be pre-season rankings, but they are trying to predict where they will end up at the end of the season.

    Catmando

  • Big Sarge said...

    I am very tickled UL cracked the top 25. More reason for them to think they are better than they actually are, and gives us a chance to start the season beating a "top 25" team.

    When we win, I hope we're excited that we beat a team of punks who happen to be our state rival. Please don't get excited about them being a "Top 25" Team. Nothing about Loserville is Top 25. We will show that on Sunday Sept 2nd.crackwhip

    pdsimpson73

  • rgunslinger said...

    I'm curious, aside from Big East teams, are there any other teams from a BCS conference that don't have a single ranked opponent on their schedule? I wonder...

    That's a good question. Of course it is a preseason poll so there is always the chance of Cinci or South Fla moving into the rankings. A better question might be, if KY had Louisville's schedule, would they be ranked in the top 25? If they were in the Big East, would they be picked to win? If you can't say yes and come up with a decent argument, then there is a serious problem with the UK team and coaching staff since the departure of Rich Brooks.

    GiantMovngSlorg

  • GiantMovngSlorg said...

    That's a good question. Of course it is a preseason poll so there is always the chance of Cinci or South Fla moving into the rankings. A better question might be, if KY had Louisville's schedule, would they be ranked in the top 25? If they were in the Big East, would they be picked to win? If you can't say yes and come up with a decent argument, then there is a serious problem with the UK team and coaching staff since the departure of Rich Brooks.

    Tic toc, tic toc, tic toc.

    FootballFan1st

  • FootballFan1st said...

    Tic toc, tic toc, tic toc.

    What's ticking?

    Are you waiting for a response?

    JDHLaw11

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    What's ticking?

    Are you waiting for a response?

    Just enjoying the thread.

    FootballFan1st

  • FootballFan1st said...

    Just enjoying the thread.

    You could take some time out of your immense enjoyment to learn the actual spelling of "tick" and "tock."

    Aren't UL fans inherently intellectually superior?

    JDHLaw11

  • GiantMovngSlorg said...

    That's a good question. Of course it is a preseason poll so there is always the chance of Cinci or South Fla moving into the rankings. A better question might be, if KY had Louisville's schedule, would they be ranked in the top 25? If they were in the Big East, would they be picked to win? If you can't say yes and come up with a decent argument, then there is a serious problem with the UK team and coaching staff since the departure of Rich Brooks.

    I don't think UK would be ranked simply on the record last year and how young we are. It would likely be the same as for who would be favored. Now that being said I think we would win the Big East this year. When I look at the BE conference games there isn't a single one that makes me stop and say "whoa, I don't think we're talented enough to beat that team".

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    rgunslinger

  • GiantMovngSlorg said...

    That's a good question. Of course it is a preseason poll so there is always the chance of Cinci or South Fla moving into the rankings. A better question might be, if KY had Louisville's schedule, would they be ranked in the top 25? If they were in the Big East, would they be picked to win? If you can't say yes and come up with a decent argument, then there is a serious problem with the UK team and coaching staff since the departure of Rich Brooks.

    Impossible to do, really.

    Would UK have to use the seasons it's had in the SEC for the last 5 years? Or do we get to go back to 2007 and calculate the games we would have won in the BE over that same span?

    That is what would actually determine whether or not UK would be ranked in the top 25 this year with UL's schedule.

    As for being picked to win the BE? Again, do we get the benefit of playing in the BE since 2007, or are we talking about being plucked as a 5-7 team from the SEC? If the former, I think UK probably has several more wins in the last 5 years and could legitimately be picked to contend for the BE this year. If the latter, no, probably. I say probably because USF is picked as the winner by at least one prognosticator despite having a losing season last year.

    If we're talking about UK actually playing in the BE this season, I don't see any team in that conference that has far and away superior talent.

    I guess we'll know a lot more in two weeks, and I can't wait to see how it goes. Tick tock, right?

    This post was edited by JDHLaw11 on 8/20/2012 at 6:52 PM

    JDHLaw11

  • rgunslinger said...
    Now that being said I think we would win the Big East this year. When I look at the BE conference games there isn't a single one that makes me stop and say "whoa, I don't think we're talented enough to beat that team".

    Really???

    At Pitt.....loss
    USF....loss
    Cincy....loss
    Temple....tossup
    At Syracuse....win
    Uconn....win
    At Rutgers....loss
    At Louisville....loss

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    Alanin502

  • Alanin502 said...

    Really???

    At Pitt.....loss USF....loss Cincy....loss Temple....tossup At Syracuse....win Uconn....win At Rutgers....loss At Louisville....loss

    Disagree.

    It's hilarious how you're just presenting your hyperbolic opinion as fact and acting surprised that everyone isn't agreeing with you.

    I know it's tough leaving the hivemind of your own boards.

    JDHLaw11

  • Alanin502 said...

    Really???

    At Pitt.....loss
    USF....loss
    Cincy....loss
    Temple....tossup
    At Syracuse....win
    Uconn....win
    At Rutgers....loss
    At Louisville....loss

    Really???

    At Pitt.....Win
    USF....Win
    Cincy....Win
    Temple....BLOWOUT
    At Syracuse....Win
    Uconn....Win
    At Rutgers....Win
    At Louisville....Definite win ;)

    MaineCat

  • MaineCat said...

    Really???

    At Pitt.....Win USF....Win Cincy....Win Temple....BLOWOUT At Syracuse....Win Uconn....Win At Rutgers....Win At Louisville....Definite win ;)

    Pretty much how I see it.

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