The House of Blue

Question Darrel. You wrote the technical with Archie was a double technical. I thought it was just a technical on Archie not the guy from Tennessee. The reason being is Tennessee shot free throws. I thought if it was a double technical they would of been off setting and no one would of shot if free throws except Archie for the original foul?

Thanks Matt, I must of missed that. I thought the techs would of offset for free throws.

Garbage calls all game. Garbage fans as well.

you sure cant todd i am a ref and we cant see it all man .. just what we do see ..im a die hard ky fan .. these guys got to get going ...

I suppose the rule is that when the ball lodges between the rim and the backboard, it is a held ball situation, but I don't see that as any different outcome than a shot that hits the back of the rim and bounces over the backboard, thus out of bounds.

Why make that wedged ball a held ball? No one is holding it?

As for the officials, that was an absurd outcome. One that should be correctable, and the only excuse for not clarifying the facts prior to putting the ball back into play is if that decision is not reviewable..

As for excuses, I did not hear any member of the UK contingent attempt to use officiating as an excuse for what occurred yesterday. However, what occurred on that and other plays with the officiating was an affront to common decency. Doug Shows, Tom Eades, and a couple of others, have not done a decent job hiding their animosity toward UK basketball.

Shows should apologize, as well as the SEC. The refs didn't decide the outcome of this game, but that doesn't excuse poor performance on their part.

re: Goodwin: That's a little over the top don't you think? I mean, he's 18 years old. He's got so much time to figure all that out. It comes at different times for different kids. Let's see what he looks like when he's 23-24 years old. I know that doesn't help Kentucky this year but people are way too quick to judge these kids, in my humble opinion.

I think Cal is saying don't get fired up and start pushing people when your down thirty, do it from the tip and when you still have a chance to win. Makes sense to me.

Thanks, but when the ball bounces over the backboard, how do you know who would get the rebound? I don't see that as a relevant issue in either situation.

Yes, I realize that over the board is ruled out of bounds, and stuck is ruled not out of bounds, thus a jump ball situation. My point was not about "what is", but what seems to me "should be." If a defender blocks the shot into the wedge, award the ball to the offense, and if a shot is what put it there, give it to the defense.

Perhaps it is a holdover from when the goalposts were constructed in a much more dangerous manner. If someone is running straight out of bounds at the ball, they can see the goal post and still could when the post was closer to the baseline.

Another possibility is that I have seen many cases of posts lowered from above with rigging attached. I could be wrong, but I believe such connections as well as the post have always been considered "out of bounds". The refs would be required to see what happens as it passes over the backboard and through various rigging/connections above and behind to determine if it touched any of them. Just ruling the call "out of bounds" reduces the possibility for error. IOW, if it is over and then behind the board and passing through various cabling or around a post mount, they just call it out. Everywhere else, things (crowd, etc.) are moved away from the "out of bounds" line but in this case the "out of bounds" items are connected directly to the playing surface.

A wedged ball was considered a "jump ball" situation because the ball is stuck in a position where the players can't go after it without a risk of injury different than other situations, not to mention that touching it while still on the rim is not allowed and will give possession to the other team. Therefore it was determined that the possession was up in the air and should be settled by a "jump ball". A "jump ball" is no longer performed as it has been replaced by "alternating possession". The term "held ball" is commonly used to describe a call where the old "jump ball" rule applied because most of the cases where it occurs is when two players both have their hands on the ball. The term "held ball" is just a phrase. There is no reason that it is wrong because it occurs when the ball is not being held.