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***BREAKING: MITCH BARNHART'S THOUGHTS ON COACHING SEARCH**

  • GUys..Mitch has made hires across the board that have taken every Uk sport HIGHER...even football..never before did we enjoy years of 5 straigt bowls..wins over top 25 opponets on a yearly basis...we beat some of the best football teams in the land under Brooks..FSU, LSU,GA, Clemson, and under JOker Spurrier and Ga, and UT. We played Bama tougher than anyone under Rich..and in all fairness we should be sitting with 3 straight wins over Ga, if not for a bad running into the kicker call and last year we had themon the ropes untill someone fumbles going in for A TD.
    If the latest news is true..Mitch has Mark Stoops leaning toward Lexington...this would be a home run hire...

    BigBlueDawg12

  • catcard202 said...

    Did I mention I wanted a NAME ONLY??? Nowhere in above did I mention a NAME COACH.... I think I laid it out there pretty well...UK needs a guy that win the fans over, get it done in the SEC, maximize the existing revenue streams, that's a proven coach in the line of fire. (IE...The BEST MAN for the task that lies ahead of whoever gets the job at UK!!!)

    Maybe that guy is Mike McIntyre...Maybe he's not. But I do know that If he fails...Both he & Mitch will be out the door in 3yrs...And UKAA will be MILLIONS & MILLIONS more in hole, due to continued lost FB revenues & more contractual buy-outs.

    Thank you captain obvious.

    hoptownukfan

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  • Cats Den said...

    Mitch hired Brooks, who took us to 5 straight bowl games (last year was coached by Phillips). That is a Kentucky record. Does that mean nothing?

    That depends on how you look at things. Any team that wins just 50% of their games is eligible for a bowl bid. If you think going to a bowl that requires you to win just half of your games and you go to a low low level bowl then the answer is yes, that means something. However if you want the Cats to win at least 50% of their SEC games and all of their non conference games and then go to a good bowl game then the answer is no it doesnt mean much.I will give you 1 thing Brooks and the bowls he took us to is better than what weve gone through the past few years.

    sleepydog

  • Programs like Kentucky can have a good run of 2 or 3 years but there is nothing in their histories that suggest they can sustain it. Even with multiple NFL players Kentucky couldn't win more than 7 regular season games.That's the truth of the matter. People who think Kentucky is suddenly going to be some football power need a reality check. Kentucky should be able to make a bowl game 3 out of every 4 years and win 6-8 games. If everything falls right they win 9. That's what they are, at least if they plan to remain in the SEC.

    To make matters worse, Kentucky football 'boosters' have routinely failed to follow through with their promises. Jeff Drummond said it time and time again and it's accurate, there aren't enough people with means who care about football who put their money where their mouth is. Football isn't important to them. That runs far deeper than whoever UK's AD happens to be. People with the means to make it different simply don't care enough about football to make a difference. That's just fact.

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  • Matt May said...

    Programs like Kentucky can have a good run of 2 or 3 years but there is nothing in their histories that suggest they can sustain it. Even with multiple NFL players Kentucky couldn't win more than 7 regular season games.That's the truth of the matter. People who think Kentucky is suddenly going to be some football power need a reality check. Kentucky should be able to make a bowl game 3 out of every 4 years and win 6-8 games. If everything falls right they win 9. That's what they are, at least if they plan to remain in the SEC.

    To make matters worse, Kentucky football 'boosters' have routinely failed to follow through with their promises. Jeff Drummond said it time and time again and it's accurate, there aren't enough people with means who care about football who put their money where their mouth is. Football isn't important to them. That runs far deeper than whoever UK's AD happens to be. People with the means to make it different simply don't care enough about football to make a difference. That's just fact.

    Why are you making sound, logical points backed up with historical fact? This is a message board! We want blood, heads and confirmation that we have the solutions and answers we just aren't be taken seriously!

    MoC

  • Matt May said...

    Programs like Kentucky can have a good run of 2 or 3 years but there is nothing in their histories that suggest they can sustain it. Even with multiple NFL players Kentucky couldn't win more than 7 regular season games.That's the truth of the matter. People who think Kentucky is suddenly going to be some football power need a reality check. Kentucky should be able to make a bowl game 3 out of every 4 years and win 6-8 games. If everything falls right they win 9. That's what they are, at least if they plan to remain in the SEC.

    To make matters worse, Kentucky football 'boosters' have routinely failed to follow through with their promises. Jeff Drummond said it time and time again and it's accurate, there aren't enough people with means who care about football who put their money where their mouth is. Football isn't important to them. That runs far deeper than whoever UK's AD happens to be. People with the means to make it different simply don't care enough about football to make a difference. That's just fact.

    When in the last 50 years has the lack of funding to football been on center stage besides recently? I can tell you, it hasnt. This is why it can change. We are in a football conference. With proper funding it can happen. Spending money on facilities, on a coach, on recruiting, etc.

    JCHS02

  • JCHS02 said...

    When in the last 50 years has the lack of funding to football been on center stage besides recently? I can tell you, it hasnt. This is why it can change. We are in a football conference. With proper funding it can happen. Spending money on facilities, on a coach, on recruiting, etc.

    Doesn't matter what stage it's on. People (meaning boosters) who have to means to make it happen don't care enough to do so. The bonding for significant Commonwealth Stadium improvements is going to happen, perhaps as early as late January, but the other stuff that basketball gets because of deep-pocketed boosters isn't happening with football because those people who can make a difference don't care. That's the reality.

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  • Matt May said...

    Doesn't matter what stage it's on. People (meaning boosters) who have to means to make it happen don't care enough to do so. The bonding for significant Commonwealth Stadium improvements is going to happen, perhaps as early as late January, but the other stuff that basketball gets because of deep-pocketed boosters isn't happening with football because those people who can make a difference don't care. That's the reality.

    Matt, based on your knowledge of our boosters, would you say the majority of them care more about basketball or football... and do they (or can they) donate directly to one of those specific programs? I've heard many stories, but I'm not sure what history shows... pertaining to UK's booster habits .

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  • Matt May said...

    Doesn't matter what stage it's on. People (meaning boosters) who have to means to make it happen don't care enough to do so. The bonding for significant Commonwealth Stadium improvements is going to happen, perhaps as early as late January, but the other stuff that basketball gets because of deep-pocketed boosters isn't happening with football because those people who can make a difference don't care. That's the reality.

    You know you're never going to get this through to folks? Trust me, I've tried. It just keeps wrapping itself around and around and around until you go cross eyed. People (God love 'em) want to believe that UK Football is easily fixable and the only thing standing in the way is X.

    MoC

  • Matt May said...

    Doesn't matter what stage it's on. People (meaning boosters) who have to means to make it happen don't care enough to do so. The bonding for significant Commonwealth Stadium improvements is going to happen, perhaps as early as late January, but the other stuff that basketball gets because of deep-pocketed boosters isn't happening with football because those people who can make a difference don't care. That's the reality.

    There are several deep pockets in this state that donate to either that I think could eventually come forward if we see the University start making football a focus. And we need the AD to be a salesperson also with this because the name wont speak for itself. Im not saying its going to happen because clearly UK made their decision a long time ago it will ride basketball coat tails in a weak basketball conference, but Im not saying it will never happen.

    JCHS02

  • MoC said...

    You know you're never going to get this through to folks? Trust me, I've tried. It just keeps wrapping itself around and around and around until you go cross eyed. People (God love 'em) want to believe that UK Football is easily fixable and the only thing standing in the way is X.

    Who on earth said that UK Football is easily fixable? You cant **** on something for 50 years and fix it over night. But also saying it "never" will happen is crazy. The only way it will never happen is if the people that can make it happen have that same approach.

    JCHS02

  • JCHS02 said...

    There are several deep pockets in this state that donate to either that I think could eventually come forward if we see the University start making football a focus. And we need the AD to be a salesperson also with this because the name wont speak for itself. Im not saying its going to happen because clearly UK made their decision a long time ago it will ride basketball coat tails in a weak basketball conference, but Im not saying it will never happen.

    And case in point right here. There's always some myth, some made up story about this or that "holding back" UK FB.

    The only things holding back UKFB are talent, lack of donor support and conference affiliation.

    This post was edited by MoC on 11/25/2012 at 8:48 PM

    MoC

  • JawJacker said...

    Matt, based on your knowledge of our boosters, would you say the majority of them care more about basketball or football... and do they (or can they) donate directly to one of those specific programs? I've heard many stories, but I'm not sure what history shows... pertaining to UK's booster habits .

    Basketball. 1,000 times basketball.

    People who have the means to donate enough money that makes a difference can call their shot in terms of where it goes and those people, by and large, simply don't care enough about football.

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  • MoC said...

    And case in point right here. There's always some myth, some made up story about this or that "holding back" UK FB.

    The only things holding back UKFB are talent, lack of donor support and conference affiliation.

    Spoken like a true basketball only fan. Go watch your boys in shorts and keep neglecting the truth to the matter about football at UK.

    JCHS02

  • JCHS02 said...

    Spoken like a true basketball only fan. Go watch your boys in shorts and keep neglecting the truth to the matter about football at UK.

    I think you're confusing the truth with uniformed opinion. True belief isn't the basis of knowledge.

    MoC

  • JCHS02 said...

    There are several deep pockets in this state that donate to either that I think could eventually come forward if we see the University start making football a focus. And we need the AD to be a salesperson also with this because the name wont speak for itself. Im not saying its going to happen because clearly UK made their decision a long time ago it will ride basketball coat tails in a weak basketball conference, but Im not saying it will never happen.

    The AD makes little to no difference. At Kentucky, little does. Joker Phillips was a Kentucky guy. A guy as well liked as any coach Kentucky football has ever had. A dude that boosters, theoretically, would get on board with in a heartbeat if they felt money could suddenly make Kentucky relevant in football. Few people can work a room better than Joker Phillips. And yet, none of them ever did outside of the Setzer family. Why? Because, again, people who have money and means want return - often immediate - on investment and UK football is an investment that historically doesn't pay. They don't care enough. If it's a choice between UK football and basketball it's almost without fail going to be basketball. It just is.

    This post was edited by Matt May on 11/25/2012 at 8:54 PM

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  • Matt May said...

    The AD makes little to no difference. At Kentucky, little does. Joker Phillips was a Kentucky guy. A guy as well liked as any coach Kentucky football has ever had. A dude that boosters, theoretically, would get on board with in a heartbeat if they felt money could suddenly make Kentucky significant in football. Few people can work a room better than Joker Phillips. And yet, none of them ever did outside of the Setzer family. Why? Because, again, people who have money and means want return - often immediate - on investment and UK football is an investment that historically doesn't pay. They don't care enough. If it's a choice between UK football and basketball it's almost without fail going to be basketball. It just is.

    Guys like Mullens (who are all AD's now) who worked here to try to reorganize the fundraising mess left to them by Newton and Ivy literally beat their heads against the walls trying to raise money for football. These guys know how to raise money and the fact that they couldn't but can everywhere else they are speaks volumes to the problem.

    MoC

  • Matt May said...

    Basketball. 1,000 times basketball.

    People who have the means to donate enough money that makes a difference can call their shot in terms of where it goes and those people, by and large, simply don't care enough about football.

    Thanks Matt... that clears up a lot for me.

    Now, if we can only figure out a way to change that culture... and BOOST our FB program.

    We need to start with more Suites in CWS I guess... when we should be starting with better player facilities.

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  • Matt May said...

    The AD makes little to no difference. At Kentucky, little does. Joker Phillips was a Kentucky guy. A guy as well liked as any coach Kentucky football has ever had. A dude that boosters, theoretically, would get on board with in a heartbeat if they felt money could suddenly make Kentucky relevant in football. Few people can work a room better than Joker Phillips. And yet, none of them ever did outside of the Setzer family. Why? Because, again, people who have money and means want return - often immediate - on investment and UK football is an investment that historically doesn't pay. They don't care enough. If it's a choice between UK football and basketball it's almost without fail going to be basketball. It just is.

    I meant there are several that dont donate at all that I feel would if there was some type of commitment from the school. We have very different views of Joker Phillips the person. I won't say the things I know as facts about him on here especially but it gets so old hearing so many say how great of a person he is and how he can "work a room". A lot of those things are personal things and I dont think they belong on here.

    JCHS02

  • JawJacker said...

    Thanks Matt... that clears up a lot for me.

    Now, if we can only figure out a way to change that culture... and BOOST our FB program.

    We need to start with more Suites in CWS I guess... when we should be starting with better player facilities.

    From everything I hear - and I have a friend who has been a part of the 'negotiations' (for lack of a better term) between UK and the state - the bonding is going to come through sooner rather than later. David Williams being gone is a massive help, as is fact the election year is over. Those elected aren't worried about money being put into athletics as much now that their bid for re-election is up. Commonwealth will get upgrades. May not be $100 million but even $60 would be major progress.

    This post was edited by Matt May on 11/25/2012 at 9:34 PM

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  • MoC said...

    I think you're confusing the truth with uniformed opinion. True belief isn't the basis of knowledge.

    I am not the one confused here. But thank you for playing.

    JCHS02

  • JCHS02 said...

    I meant there are several that dont donate at all that I feel would if there was some type of commitment from the school. We have very different views of Joker Phillips the person. I won't say the things I know as facts about him on here especially but it gets so old hearing so many say how great of a person he is and how he can "work a room". A lot of those things are personal things and I dont think they belong on here.

    The school has nothing else to commit without state help. Simple as that. They've put money into it. They don't have $20-60 million for stadium upgrades, which is what's left. It's always an excuse from boosters. You either put your money where your mouth is or you don't. There aren't enough willing to do that for football. Never have been. They didn't do so for Brooks either, and people loved him as well.

    This post was edited by Matt May on 11/25/2012 at 9:03 PM

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  • Matt May said...

    The school has nothing else to commit without state help. Simple as that. They've put money into it. They don't have $20-60 million for stadium upgrades, which is what's left. It's always an excuse from boosters. You either put your money where your mouth is or you don't. There aren't enough willing to do that for football. Never have been.

    Recruiting Room, hopefully this coaching hire, heck blue white game, fan day, uniforms, etc. If boosters are giving that much to basketball, maybe some of the funds from basketball should fund other programs that football funds?

    This post was edited by JCHS02 on 11/25/2012 at 9:06 PM

    JCHS02

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