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Can anyone defend Joker after this disgrace?

  • The maddening part of Joker is the up and down performance of differing units. We have no strength to lean on every year.

    - OL was awful last year....but played a very clean game yesterday
    - QB play was abysmal...but Max looked very confident yesterday.
    - LBer play was very good last year...but awful yesterday
    - WR play caught about everything yesterday...but was not dependable at all last year.
    - DB play was very un-athletic looking yesterday....and hasn't been very good looking since Trevard left.
    - DL play looked better last year...we'll see what kind of year they throw up this year.

    It would be great if we had a few spots on the team that Joker/Staff could be their backbone each year due to great player developer/recruiting. A great OL coach, Or an expert QB coach..or an expert LBer pipleline, ett...but it seems like we go up/down as talent comes and goes with no sure thing to lean on each year.

    I know it is crazy to talk about guys like Saban...but that man always has crazy good DBs/scheme to lean on each year. Granted talent is up there but he just lost 3 DBs and they are all replaced and the new kids look rock solid in playing there scheme. I don't see a coach/expertise on staff that we can rely on each year...which is like sticking your finger in your hole and 2 more pop up when you fix one spot

    K__TIME

  • I am just wondering. After watching WVU, and the top-10 hype they are receiving, do you believe that WVU can beat these SEC "super powers"?

    Anarcer

  • Matt May said...

    Wasn't that way on the other side of the ball. Charlie Strong even flat said UK's offensive line won that battle. So it wasn't 'every key matchup'. It was on defense, which played a horrendous and indefensible game.

    That is fair. However, UK didn't really even attempt to line up and run on the UL D in their "Pro Style I Formation" like years past under Joker. UK was in Shotgun most of the day.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • bigbluerules said...

    One thing that the coaches can fix today is the stance on the DT's. They get no forward push because their stance gives away their leverage. They raise up and then they are pushed back. That causes the LB's to get caught up in traffic. Just my two cents. I'm not a coach and didnt play in college but my HS coach always told me "It doesn't matter how big they are, if you are lower then they are, you win the battle."

    I was just saying the same thing to my father-in-law. I was going to post it earlier but thought I would get laughed off the board so I'm glad you did. Seriously it looked like Cobble was getting ready to take a dump one time instead of being in the proper stance. Technique is a must for a d-lineman. What the hell is Turner teaching them?

    footballcat65

  • footballcat65 said...

    I was just saying the same thing to my father-in-law. I was going to post it earlier but thought I would get laughed off the board so I'm glad you did. Seriously it looked like Cobble was getting ready to take a dump one time instead of being in the proper stance. Technique is a must for a d-lineman. What the hell is Turner teaching them?

    It's almost remiscent of the old wide tackle six gap technique. Instead of firing off on the snap the linemen are battling for gap control and yesterday they couldn't maintain gaps, made no penetration and got shoved all over the place. Many times, it looked like a scrum and UL's backs just found the holes or bounced outside(nobody maintained outside leverage which was another big problem) for huge gains. Bottom line was it was the worst of both worlds, lack of athleticism coupled with piss poor technique and failure on the part of the staff to make adjustments. For all of you who begged for Brownie to be fired (THAT INCLUDES ME), I guess it's time to realize that maybe the next shiny new replacement isn't any better and may be worse. How does that feel????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    ukaveman

  • Cobble was in an OL type stance. One that makes it easier to raise up to pass block. A DL needs to be in a stance where his first move HAS to be forward and low. Butt in the air and back is flat. IDK care if the dline ever makes a tackle on a rushing play.
    Back to my old coach "Son you aren't here up make tackles. You are here to make my linebackers look good."

    bigbluerules

  • Turner has been Joker's worst hire. Petri was our best defensive coach. Turner was hired for recruiting reasons and he has done very little in that department. Our line has been HORRIBLE since he took over. I'll give him a pass his first year, because we had very little to work with. But there is no excuse for times last year, and the first game this year. If we can get Joker and Staff back next year due to a bowl game, Turner has got to go.

    PHCD

  • I like to think I know quite a bit about defensive line play, but I'm dumbfounded as to why our defensive linemen use the stance they use at times.

    There was one play in particular, though, that impressed me. Undersized and oft-maligned Taylor Wyndham absolutely blew up UL's RT one-on-one at the point of attack. He even got a hand on the back to slow him down as he reached the line of scrimmage.

    Of course, an unnamed LB came up quick and failed to use proper technique on the tackle, allowing the back to go for a 10 yard gain. But Wyndham had great technique on that play.

    JDHLaw11

  • And my concern right now is we're hanging our hats on the offense but I'll be honest, UofL's defense didn't really look all that great. So what do we do if we get into SEC play and the offense becomes stifled too? The defense is so bad right now that it could get very, very ugly in a hurry.

    I think what bothers me the most is that, especially on defense, I'm not seeing a whole lot to build on. There's some talent there but as others have said it looks far sloppier then it should with techniques and etc.

    WildcatBelle

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    That is fair. However, UK didn't really even attempt to line up and run on the UL D in their "Pro Style I Formation" like years past under Joker. UK was in Shotgun most of the day.

    and throwing nothing but very quick slant routes or screens. Did we even throw one single ball that went more than 15 yards in the air out of 50 attempts?

    JHB4UK

  • MoC said...

    Do you really wish to frame your argument with such blatant fallacies and inaccuracies?

    Oh? Please educate me on which point is flawed...

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  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    That is fair. However, UK didn't really even attempt to line up and run on the UL D in their "Pro Style I Formation" like years past under Joker. UK was in Shotgun most of the day.

    To be fair, the offensive sets utilized got us inside the UL 25 six (6) times. I don't think offensive scheme was the problem, nor would it have prevented two basically unforced fumbles deep in UL territory.

    I guess if I wanted to look on the bright side, I could say that despite a non-existent defense, UK would have likely still been in the game late if it were not for two fumbles. That would be a little disingenuous, though, given that Bridgewater would have had even more opportunities to throw to wide open targets on 3rd and long.

    JDHLaw11

  • jeffries123 said...

    Bridgewater is not the 2nd best qb we'll play. At best he's 4th. Wilson,Bray,and Murray are all better than bridgewater.

    They are all older than Bridgewater. I bet Bridgewater gets drafted higher than all when he comes out except for Wilson. The guy is really damn good. Plus he's got his head on straight and also has wheels.

    tWhit

  • Bridgewater was good but he had all day to throw..I am old as hell and I could have made those throws with all of that time..Our offense play pretty decent,I just hate that the defense didnt show up..anyone would have looked good against our defense today..It all changes with a pass rush...

    wildcatdon

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    nor would it have prevented two basically unforced fumbles deep in UL territory.

    JDH, why exactly were they unforced? Sanders & Williams didnt just butterfinger the ball away in the middle of the field while being by themselves. UL defenders had an effect causing both fumbles IMO. It is what they do, Strong is a good defensive coach, they force turnovers. And it was a repeat of what we saw last year, they blasted out 2 fumbles against us in 2011 contributing to their win.

    JHB4UK

  • JHB4UK said...

    JDH, why exactly were they unforced? Sanders & Williams didnt just butterfinger the ball away in the middle of the field while being by themselves. UL defenders had an effect causing both fumbles IMO. It is what they do, Strong is a good defensive coach, they force turnovers. And it was a repeat of what we saw last year, they blasted out 2 fumbles against us in 2011 contributing to their win.

    One of the fumbles, I think the one Coshik had was caused by a knee. Not UofL's D. Defensively they weren't all that good.

    tWhit

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    That is fair. However, UK didn't really even attempt to line up and run on the UL D in their "Pro Style I Formation" like years past under Joker. UK was in Shotgun most of the day.

    Wasn't the touchdown pass to Robinson in the off-set I formation?

    garywayne

  • JHB4UK said...

    JDH, why exactly were they unforced? Sanders & Williams didnt just butterfinger the ball away in the middle of the field while being by themselves. UL defenders had an effect causing both fumbles IMO. It is what they do, Strong is a good defensive coach, they force turnovers. And it was a repeat of what we saw last year, they blasted out 2 fumbles against us in 2011 contributing to their win.

    They weren't unforced in the sense that no-one touched them, they were unforced in the sense that neither of the tackles that resulted in a fumble were strips or helmet to ball contact. Neither of the fumbles were due to "good defensive coaching." They were due to poor ball security at a basic level.

    Sanders' fumble was mind-blowing to me because the defender went low to take out his legs and somehow Sanders went down to meet him, hitting his arm against the defender's shoulder. Not a tackle that should cause a fumble in any situation, just poor ball security. Hell, the defender wasn't even looking at the ball, he was head down in an attempt to make a low tackle.

    Williams' fumble came when a defender's knee made contact with his arm. Again, not a purposeful tackle, just fumbling the ball running into a guy who was standing there. Neither of these fumbles happen if basic ball security is followed.

    In comparison, King's fumble in 2011 was a forced fumble. Heyman rocked King on the ball-side and popped it out.

    JDHLaw11

  • garywayne said...

    Wasn't the touchdown pass to Robinson in the off-set I formation?

    Yeah and it was the only time we saw it all day plus we didn't run the football out of it. Need to see more of a power running game and get Mobley in to pound em at times.

    tWhit

  • CarlLexington said...

    People had it right last year before UK beat UT. Before that game pretty much everyone was calling for Joker to be fired as he should be. Then suddenly everyone jumped back on the Joker bandwagon cause he beat a horrible UT team in the midst of an exodus.

    Huh? You must not read message boards. Not a whole lot changed after the UT game, the same folks still wanted Joker fired.

    fbtimeblue

  • fbtimeblue said...

    Huh? You must not read message boards. Not a whole lot changed after the UT game, the same folks still wanted Joker fired.

    Yeah he pretty got no one that wasn't already on his side back in his corner.

    tWhit

  • JHB4UK said...

    and throwing nothing but very quick slant routes or screens. Did we even throw one single ball that went more than 15 yards in the air out of 50 attempts?

    So let me see if I've got this straight: Last year everyone complained and whined because their offense was terrible and needed to produce more. Then they go out and look much improved, throw for nearly 300 yards, catch basically everything and their RB's run 13 times for 100 yards (7.7 yards per rush), so can't whine and complain about no productivity so whine and complain about how they do it? What does it matter so long as the offense is moving the ball? Besides that, they did take some shots down the field. Not a ton, but a few.

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  • Matt May said...

    So let me see if I've got this straight: Last year everyone complained and whined because their offense was terrible and needed to produce more. Then they go out and look much improved, throw for nearly 300 yards, catch basically everything and their RB's run 13 times for 100 yards (7.7 yards per rush), so can't whine and complain about no productivity so whine and complain about how they do it? What does it matter so long as the offense is moving the ball? Besides that, they did take some shots down the field. Not a ton, but a few.

    Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.

    MoC

  • Matt May said...

    So let me see if I've got this straight: Last year everyone complained and whined because their offense was terrible and needed to produce more. Then they go out and look much improved, throw for nearly 300 yards, catch basically everything and their RB's run 13 times for 100 yards (7.7 yards per rush), so can't whine and complain about no productivity so whine and complain about how they do it? What does it matter so long as the offense is moving the ball? Besides that, they did take some shots down the field. Not a ton, but a few.

    I don't know how anybody could have watched the game and not see the huge Offensive improvement from last year. There is a LOT of talent and playmaking ability that was missing last year and the offensive line played extremely well. They took what UL gave them and did so quite well. The only thing that disappointed me was the two fumbles (three really w/Newton's fumble and own recovery) by EXPERIENCED players. You can't have that and expect to win at this level period!

    ukaveman

  • So very sorry Matt I'm not bowing down and happy as a pig in slop at us scoring the LEAST amount of points against UL since 2004, 8 games worth. Clearly I should be happy and pleased instead of critical at an offense that scored less than Morgan Newton racked up last season!

    Please forgive my whining and complaining, hope it doesnt ruin your day!

    JHB4UK