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tommy said...
I really don't think there is any more ways to explain to some that UK DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AS THE OTHER SEC PROGRAMS. It is absolutely exhausting to keep trying, and while we are on the exhausting topics, to continue to compare UK and the state of KY (a state tremendously struggling with financial issues much much more important than football btw) is incredibly unrealistic and naive. I do admit tho that as many have stated, these large projects would indeed create jobs.
Its either A.) some just clearly don't understand or comprehend what that means or B.) those individuals simply to ignore these facts. For what its worth, I don't think its A...for the majority anyway. But maybe there are some (and I'm not implying you Catmando) that really don't truly understand how bonding and fundraising truly works and just don't want to openly admit that. MB states (for those who don't have VIP access) that KY is ranked 48th in funding. Think about that...48th. Not to mention, there simply aren't any T. Boone Pickens or any other millionaires gifting the football program right now. However I do believe that when we get back to making consistent bowl appearances that those donations which predominantly go towards hoops will start finding their way to the pigskin side of things.
It simply doesn't matter who the AD is...IT DOES NOT MATTER, there would still be the same issues in Frankfort.
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Catmando said...
Tommy, there are creative, non-conventional ways to raise money, but UK is not doing it. I myself am no expert on raising funds by any means, and not afraid to admit it as you imply, but I also don't get paid to raise football funds. Mitch does. I do know I've seen other schools do things like errect websites to raise funds for a specific football project like Recruiting room, or other types of upgrades. I believe Tenn did something like this very recently to encourage fans to donate. Why don't we at least try?
I don't expect anyone to magically make money appear, but all I have ever heard are excuses out the wazoo as to why we can't, all the while, I see nobody thinking outside the box, or putting much effort forth to implement change Combine that with the fact that this bonding issue has been going on "secretly" for a long time, and it looks to me like priorities are not where they should be. I know one thing, if I was an A.D. (I know I'm not qualified) as soon as I found out the state gov't would not approve bonding, I'd raise the biggest dang stink about it possible to bring the issue to the forefront! Instead, it has apparently been going on for years and is just now being mentioned because Mitch is suddenly under pressure. I've still never heard an explanation for that one.
No issue is absolutely black and white, but from where I sit, it seems pretty obvious that Mitch and UK athletics believed they could sell 60,000 + seats a game without doing much, so they were satisfied with that. Now, that income from ticket sales is being threatened, they are scrambling to make excuses for why things are the way they are. The bottom line is, UK is spending Way less money on football than those it compete's against. That is a recipe for mediocrity. If you don't want to admit that, that's your perogaitve, but don't cry in your beer when we only win 4 or 5 games and don't even go .500 in the SEC.
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tommy said...
Sure...my post...
I was referring to trying to talk facts and real issues with those who have their minds made up about MB and hating on him regardless of what he does. There are certain groups that will never acknowledge what the man has accomplished, ever give him and credit, or ever accept facts or truths regarding the man, the admin, and challenges we face in Frankfort. Its MB no matter what. Farrrrrr MB!!!!
Hence pissin in the wind.
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Catmando said...
For football? O.K. List everything he has done for football, and how much money it cost etc, and then start looking up the same for other SEC schools within a similar time period, and show me how they are comprable. That is what we are competing against, and until we pull out all of the stops and comitt to competing, we won't. You can give a starving kid a bowl of rice, but he doesn't suddenly become healthy. Pointing out things that have been done here and there over the years while overlooking that those investments pale in comparrison to our competition is just flat out having tunnel vision and being hopeful that things will work out. I've been watching UK footbal for lng enough to know that things don't just work out.
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Catmando said...
Well, I can't read the article so I don't have an opinion, but I do know that to succeed in life, you have to overcome the obstacles that are in your way. What is Barnhart/ UK atheletics doing to overercome football's obstacles? I've asked this many times, and none of you ever answer, yet you point fingers at those of us that complain. You know what, life ain't easy. Being an atheletic director probably isn't easy. That's why they get paid high salaries. It's his job to make the program succesful, and while issues like bonding are signifigant, they are not a good excuse.
At the end of the day, UK football won't be succesful until it finds a way to overcome the things that stand in it's way, and I don't know of anything Barnhart has done, or even attempted to do to change that. Apparently, some of you are happy with giving him a pass because of the bonding issue and staying mediocre. I am not. If you want to call that bashing, feel free, but before you call me ignorant or uninformed, be prepared to actually answer my questions instead of just slinging mud.
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tommy said...
OH MY GOD!!!! DUDE ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!
Did you not ingest ANY information over the last two days. YOU CANNOT COMPARE UK TO OTHER SEC SCHOOLS!!!!!! STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT!Its not a UK issue. Its not a MB issue. Its a STATE issue. 48th dude, 48th....that's where we rank nationally! 48th!!!!!!!!!! Commitment has NOTHING TP DO WITH IT! I can commit all I want to playing center field for the Braves, that doesnt mean squat!
Seriously, I think my 7 year old daughter could grasp this better....
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Beavis13 said...
If you asked Rich Brooks and Joker Phillips to sit down and make out a prioritized list of improvements needed, I'd be shocked if they didn't list a number of things well before ribbon boards and video boards.
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X2 Well stated and I couldn't agree more.
It's striking that just about every other SEC team we face finds ways to fund growth projects to keep their programs up to date and modern to attract quality coaches and recruits. I would even put Louisville in that category which is disgraceful when you think about it. Yet here we get an endless line of excuses - it's the BOTs fault, no it's the President's fault, no it's the State Senate's fault etc.
This was a great interview by Matt and I commend him on staying with a hardball line of questioning rather than serving up the lolly pops like others in the media typically do. Perhaps this question and answer tells us all we need to know:
TCP: Does that perception, however widespread it may be, bother you?
BARNHART: “Does it bother me? I think you've known me long enough to know I don't listen to a whole lot.
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tommy said...
OH MY GOD!!!! DUDE ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! Did you not ingest ANY information over the last two days. YOU CANNOT COMPARE UK TO OTHER SEC SCHOOLS!!!!!! STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT!
Its not a UK issue. Its not a MB issue. Its a STATE issue. 48th dude, 48th....that's where we rank nationally! 48th!!!!!!!!!! Commitment has NOTHING TP DO WITH IT! I can commit all I want to playing center field for the Braves, that doesnt mean squat!
Seriously, I think my 7 year old daughter could grasp this better....
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Catmando said...
Oh my God are you serious? Are you just accepting that we'll always suck? Yes I'm comparing us to SEC teams cause get what, that's the freakin conference we play in! If you really feel that way, you should lead the march to get us to change conferences.
And Moss Cat: adress one of my actual questions and give me the facts you are talking about. What has Mitch done that makes us competitive? If you can answer, I'll stop arguing.
It's funny though, the pissin in the wind, you'll never change his mind attitude could be turned around on your perspective too you know? Obviously, we disagree on the issue, but if you want to argue against my point, give me counter points that actually adress what I, and not some other people are saying.
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tommy said...
OH MY GOD!!!! DUDE ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! Did you not ingest ANY information over the last two days. YOU CANNOT COMPARE UK TO OTHER SEC SCHOOLS!!!!!! STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT!
Its not a UK issue. Its not a MB issue. Its a STATE issue. 48th dude, 48th....that's where we rank nationally! 48th!!!!!!!!!! Commitment has NOTHING TP DO WITH IT! I can commit all I want to playing center field for the Braves, that doesnt mean squat!
Seriously, I think my 7 year old daughter could grasp this better....
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Catmando said...
Oh my God are you serious? Are you just accepting that we'll always suck? Yes I'm comparing us to SEC teams cause get what, that's the freakin conference we play in! If you really feel that way, you should lead the march to get us to change conferences.
And Moss Cat: adress one of my actual questions and give me the facts you are talking about. What has Mitch done that makes us competitive? If you can answer, I'll stop arguing.
It's funny though, the pissin in the wind, you'll never change his mind attitude could be turned around on your perspective too you know? Obviously, we disagree on the issue, but if you want to argue against my point, give me counter points that actually adress what I, and not some other people are saying.
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Matt May said...
I gave you those things the first time you said you know of nothing that's been done to improve football. And they are the same things that took Kentucky football from a laughing stock program decimated by probation to one that played in five consecutive bowl games, beat the No. 1 team in the nation and ended two of the ugliest streaks in the program's history. All after fans begged and pleaded to 'just get to a bowl game and we'll be happy.' Now that's not enough. Fine. But don't act like nothing has been done and the program hasn't been improved.
You don't want to argue points because you haven't once argued the actual facts put forth once. You want to bitch about Mitch. You want Kentucky and Mitch Barnhart to only care about the sport of football. That isn't happening, nor should it. You clearly don't care about the realities Kentucky faces in trying to raise its football profile, you just want to think Mitch is blatantly ignoring some magical pot of gold that will suddenly allow Kentucky to match the resources of other SEC programs. Last I checked there wasn't a U.S. Mint in the basement of Memorial Coliseum.
And speaking of 'addressing' things, who once ever said they are accepting that Kentucky will always suck? I don't have a dog in the fight but despite the best efforts of the same Mitch-bashing posters to turn every single legitimate football discussion into a ridiculous pissing match I haven't seen a single post from anyone who is cool with UK 'sucking'. I do, however, see a lot of people who can understand and comprehend the hurdles and issues that make going from horrific (where UK football has been for most of its history and definitely where it was when Barnhart arrived) to improved and mostly competitive (where it is now) to an annual SEC title contender are very real and very difficult to overcome. At this point it's pretty clear you either don't understand those issues, don't want to understand them, or they just get in the way of what your real motivation is -- getting your shots in at Mitch Barnhart because, well, someone has to be the reason UK isn't suddenly a BCS contender.
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Matt May said...
I gave you those things the first time you said you know of nothing that's been done to improve football. And they are the same things that took Kentucky football from a laughing stock program decimated by probation to one that played in five consecutive bowl games, beat the No. 1 team in the nation and ended two of the ugliest streaks in the program's history. All after fans begged and pleaded to 'just get to a bowl game and we'll be happy.' Now that's not enough. Fine. But don't act like nothing has been done and the program hasn't been improved.
You don't want to argue points because you haven't once argued the actual facts put forth once. You want to bitch about Mitch. You want Kentucky and Mitch Barnhart to only care about the sport of football. That isn't happening, nor should it. You clearly don't care about the realities Kentucky faces in trying to raise its football profile, you just want to think Mitch is blatantly ignoring some magical pot of gold that will suddenly allow Kentucky to match the resources of other SEC programs. Last I checked there wasn't a U.S. Mint in the basement of Memorial Coliseum.
And speaking of 'addressing' things, who once ever said they are accepting that Kentucky will always suck? I don't have a dog in the fight but despite the best efforts of the same Mitch-bashing posters to turn every single legitimate football discussion into a ridiculous pissing match I haven't seen a single post from anyone who is cool with UK 'sucking'. I do, however, see a lot of people who can understand and comprehend the hurdles and issues that make going from horrific (where UK football has been for most of its history and definitely where it was when Barnhart arrived) to improved and mostly competitive (where it is now) to an annual SEC title contender are very real and very difficult to overcome. At this point it's pretty clear you either don't understand those issues, don't want to understand them, or they just get in the way of what your real motivation is -- getting your shots in at Mitch Barnhart because, well, someone has to be the reason UK isn't suddenly a BCS contender.
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Oh my God are you serious? Are you just accepting that we'll always suck? Yes I'm comparing us to SEC teams cause get what, that's the freakin conference we play in! If you really feel that way, you should lead the march to get us to change conferences.
And Moss Cat: adress one of my actual questions and give me the facts you are talking about. What has Mitch done that makes us competitive? If you can answer, I'll stop arguing.
It's funny though, the pissin in the wind, you'll never change his mind attitude could be turned around on your perspective too you know? Obviously, we disagree on the issue, but if you want to argue against my point, give me counter points that actually adress what I, and not some other people are saying.
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