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Money addresses (not necessarily 'fixes') the problem because it goes a long way in changing the perception of UK's commitment to having a quality football program.
$14M in the same decade that your rivals average about $100M? Good luck selling commitment to competitive football with that discrepancy.
In-state recruiting base plays a part, but that part is mostly subsumed by an enhanced monetary commitment to football, starting with a bigger recruiting budget that puts out more promotional material, conducts more camps, wows more recruits on their visits, and makes more travel a possibility.
Vanderbilt has an awful recruiting base and a worse historical reputation than UK. They spent money to change the perception that Vanderbilt doesn't care about football, hired a coach who could sell his belief and vision and are now recruiting as well as anyone in the country. I can get behind most any coach named in this search, but it won't matter who we hire unless the administration makes a real monetary commitment to competing.
UK's facilities aren't exactly cow paddy stuff. While facilities certainly HELP with the overall perception, at the end of the day, a good coach along w/staff can put together a competitive program: see Brooks, Rich. Joker lost his job not because of facilities, but for a lack of production and FAILING to keep the program at least to a competitive/respectable level. The whole coach in waiting thing was meant to facilitate a smooth transition w/o the precipitous fall off.
The new coach will probably have better facilities at his disposal than he did at his old job. UK should continue to strive towards improving it's facilities and staying competitive but they DO have pretty good facilities right now. Is it Bama/Florida good? Probably not but again, not many in the country are.
Tennessee still consistently produces more SEC-level football talent each year than Kentucky does. Tennessee has/had 3 4 star commitments (which is the total number in Kentucky this year btw I believe) from within its borders, were still in play for two others (Ramsey (a 5 star) and Elder. And I know Ramsey is a USC verbal but I don't put much stock in that until he signs because he's looking around) and then you had an addition 4 4-star prospects who had committed to LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss and UCLA.
Kansas State? Juco central. West Virgina is a good parallel and they recruit Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Florida heavily.
Oregon is another good parallel but they recruit nationally now and dip into California quite a bit. Wasn't always the case
It's not really about money. Joker Phillips was doing a good job bringing in better kids. I don't think anyone can argue where the talent on this team was because it wasn't in the upper classes. Personally, I think it's a three tier process. First, you have to marginalize UofL as much as you possibly can. The only bastion of consistent in-state talent in the Commonwealth is in Jefferson Co. and for various reasons there is a hardcore attachment to UofL even when their coaching staffs basically blow them off in favor of Georgia and Florida kids. Secondly, we have high school coaches in this state (and players) who view UK as some sort of birthright for marginally talented prospects. Thirdly, the focus needs to be on out of state players and not just in the Southeast.
Football recruiting isn't basketball recruiting and I know you know that. It's an entirely different animal. The one area UK needs to really ramp it up is in Summer Camps and clinics. If you want to increase investment that's where the difference can be made.
The University of Oregon is called "The university of California @ Eugene" for a reason. It's basically a California school that happens to be outside the state lines...
It is still 8 hours from the nearest talent producing area in California, or the same distance Lexington is from about 300 FBS recruits.
That's irrelevant. It's in the culture of kids in California, all over California, that UO is basically a state school.
Oregon has 40 players from the state of california on their roster. You only have 3 bcs schools in California. You have a MASSIVE amount of talent coming out of there every year. California has over 200 players in the nfl riight now. That's 30 more than texas. Oregon is the best program that borders California by far. Only makes sense that they get the talent...
This post was edited by hoptownukfan 17 months ago
So assuming it is Stoops think we get a foot back in the door with Mackensie and Mackenro Alexander?
I think Stoops opens a lot of doors for this years remaining class. 1st rate hire if it pans out!
Oregon always recruited California (Rich Brooks was on staff at UCLA remember) the only difference now is they're getting BETTER California kids due to their success.
It would be like if Kentucky started becoming a national power and started getting better prospects from Ohio and pulling them away from the Big10 schools.
Not to stray away from the argument about where Oregon recruits, because it is fascinating, but I have to say this, related to my earlier post:
If UK is able to land Stoops and big name coordinators and position coaches to fill his staff, that will be an indication to me that UK is at least part of the way to making monetary commitments to football.
I can't see hiring a staff of monster Florida recruiters without at least being able to promise them facility and recruiting budget support, not to mention the salary requirements to pull guys like that.
Exactly. If Oregon was a UK level program they wouldn't recruit like they do no matter how close they were to California. If UK hires the right coach and creates a buzz about the program like Oregon has we will start recruiting better
Hey genius. Oregon getting kids from California is not like uk getting kids from Ohio. Why? Because Oregon is in the same bcs conference as the California schools. It would be like uk getting kids from Georgia if we bordered Georgia.
It's also a cultural thing. Something like 40% of students at uo are from California.
Thank you for arguing semantics.
You really need to work on your disposition.
This post was edited by 7lives 17 months ago
so for the official score keeping, KSR broke the Stoops news and I guess that would put the CourierJ and Tucker last based on this thread.
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Obious Kyle Tucker has no idea what he is talking about, his cred just took a huge hit!!!!
No doubt. . that was just silly for him to state that given how tight information was, moreover to make the statement about agents etc. Apparently Butch did not say no either and was still interested. He just had crazy stipulations in his contract. If TN does not hire him he would have taken the UK job without them most likley.
ARguing? Hell, i was just stating facts.
ANYWAY, screw that. We're all pumped today. What a great time to be a wildcat!!!!!
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