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Jeff - With all do respect how does 84-43 66% (Big 12 47-33 59%) resemble 30-22 58%(SEC 12-20 38%)? I am a Brooks fan, but even his post probation era looks nothing like Leach's tenure. Obviously there is some factor to be applied to the SEC vs Big 12 to moderate the numbers, but not that much. Especially when you get Vandy and MSU every single year. Not to mention he owned Texas A&M. I think he had 7 wins or something like that against them. Like him or not, to compare his success to Brooks' (who I like a lot) is not fair.
This post was edited by usa1000 23 months ago
That was a big exception you put in that sentence Jeff. Didn't Leach have a couple of very big years?
This list is bogus. No way they're 34 worse coaches than joker.
Don' know about a "line", crossing or whatever. But I said what I meant with words that I meant. And my thinking is pretty consistent with that of many Cat fans. Along about late November my words will sound soft compared to the posts that boards such as this one will be filled with. Not trying to be nasty, just wrote what I feel is truth about Joker.
Can you give me a breakdown of what you meant by "homies" now that you're back?
I saw JHB jump in and say he thought you meant hometown guys, but I've never heard anyone refer to hometown guys as homies.
Homey has a pretty specific connotation and usage.
Five seasons with 5+ losses, five seasons with .500 or worse record in the Big 12. Ask yourself what that projects to in the SEC.
Better yet... THIS tells you what that projects to:
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I think that T75's take was pretty pathetic and wrong but sorry, if you are injecting race into what he stated perhaps you should look at yourself first.
I think it's obvious that he meant home state, Alumni, former player... In no way did I think he meant it in a racist way.
Jeff I respect your opion but . I tottallty 100 % disagree with this , u can't can't Cherry pick games and say that any kind of marker for success in the SEC, Leach has coached in the SEC before and is respected for is coaching abilities in this league , like it or not he is consider one top 20 -30 coaches in the country. so if you lose a bowl game to a SEC team then that some kind sign, I guess we would lose in the Big East since we got manhandled by a Pittsburg team with a intern coach in a bowl game and lost to Louisville last year, what does that project?? but like I said respect your thoughts on the matter
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by OptimusBlue5716 23 months ago
Which is why he's at a big time program like Washington St., right? LOL.
well we will see I guess , who do think has a better upside right now? UK or WSU, let's have this discussion a year from now
This post was edited by OptimusBlue5716 23 months ago
I disagree! He had 1 losing conference record in 10 years and that was his first at 3-5. He had 4 even records at 4-4 and 5 winning records. He was 4-2 against Nebraska. I appreciate what RB did here but it doesn't compare to what Leach did at TT. Leach deserves his #17 ranking.
10 consecutive winning seasons
8 consecutive seasons with at least 8 wins
4 seasons with at least 9 wins
1 season with 11 wins
9 consecutive bowl appearances
5 bowl wins (most by any individual coach in the history of the program)
4 seasons completed with team ranked in the Top 25
19–11 record against in-state conference rivals Baylor, Texas, and Texas A&M
53–11 record at Jones AT&T Stadium, home of the Texas Tech Red Raider football team
2008 AP Big 12 Coach of the Year
2008 Big 12 Coach of the Year
Coached 1 Fred Biletnikoff Award (Best Wide Receiver) winner: Michael Crabtree (two-time winner)
Coached 1 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award (Best Senior Quarterback) winner: Graham Harrell
Coached 1 Mosi Tatupu Award (Best Kick Returner) winner: Wes Welker
Coached 3 Sammy Baugh Trophy (Outstanding Quarterback) winners: Kliff Kingsbury, B.J. Symons, and Graham Harrell
More than 150 NCAA, Big 12 and school records broken as Texas Tech's head coach
That really has nothing to do with it. You said Leach was a top coach in the country. I just think its odd that a top coach in the country would have to go to Washington St. to coach. Thats the absolute best offer he got eventhough lots of solid programs had openings. I just find that odd since he's a such a great coach and a top coach in the country.
Do you think WSU would rather have Joker?
You don't quite get it do you. Jeff said IN THE SEC his record equals about what Brooks record was after we got clear of probation and he's completely right. Furthermore Mike Leach is not a top coach in the country or he'd be coaching at an elite program not Washington St. lol.
No, Leach is crazy as a shithouse rat. No one wanted to touch him after his antics and the fact that he sued his former employer. THAT is why he is at WSU instead of a big program. Don't confuse that with him not being a great football coach.
This post was edited by mjdotson 23 months ago
I'm pretty sure I have a better grasp on it than you do. I listed some facts from Leach's tenure at Tech. What facts are you using? You guys are using pure speculation. You can't honestly say what his record at Tech would translate to in the SEC. You can't take the game against Ole Miss and infer anything other than Ole Miss was the better team that day. Using your logic, you would have to say that Georgia would have fared worse last year in the Mountain West than they did in the SEC. Sounds ridiculous now don't it?
I will ask you again, do you think WSU would rather have Joker?
the law suit has something to do of course but the fact he is at a BCS school and donations for WSU have tripled since had been there and the school has real excitement you think he not going to turn them around quickly then I don't know what to tell you
the fans at texas tech are wishing they could get him back and trade him for the "SEC proven coach"I will say it again ask twenty college football experts who are the best 20-30 coachs and everyone will included Mile Leach, ESPN who he sued even listed him as one of the best hires in the offseason
Leach described to a T. Listening to him some on Sirius radio the last couple of years, at times he was funny and insightful, and at times just out there in his own corner of the universe. I've never said that Leach couldn't coach, but he has been passed over by numerous programs, before and after being fired at TTU. I have a feeling that like Mike Price, he's better off in a place like Pullman.
This post was edited by JDHoss 23 months ago
Link on donations tripling? ?
Leach is a weird guy but he is not an idiot or a real trouble maker. He tangled with the schools administration who gave him a very big offer to keep him at TT and a year later reneged on the contract. They had second thoughts about the money and Adam James, Craig James' son, was conveniently whining about playing time and hard practices when he was sent to sit out practice in a maintenance building. The elder James, an ESPN analyst and expert on breaking rules while helping lead the SMU Pony Express into the only major death penalty oblivion handed down by the NCAA, got pissed that his son was not a star and being mistreated then made it an on-air crusade to get Leach. Leach had often called out the NCAA but was never in major trouble with them stuck to his guns and it is still in court. In my opinion, TT, ESPN, and Craig James will lose this one with a settlement. Leach is an innovative and outstanding college football coach whose teams won and were academically exemplary. Leach doesn't please everyone around him but he does his job very well. I assume you know what Adoph Rupp said about being popular. On the other hand, Leach is a saint compared to a jerk like Bobby Knight.
Joker may be "one of us" and has been an outstanding recruiter and coordinator but his HC management has been poor. Brooks was wonderful for UK and considering the situation he was in here was remarkable. His record of accomplishments at UK however is in no way comparable with Leach. The only guy who ever came to coach UK with a HC resume comparable to Leach was Bill Curry but we never funded the program adequately to get the assistants we needed to compete and he ultimately failed. I am convinced that unless UK decides to better fund and recruit the football coaching positions we will be irrelevant.
Leach was a great match for UK because he is a very good head coach with a problem, the lawsuit, and he liked Lexington. Leach would have brought attention and recruits based on his resume. The timing wasn't great with Joker in his second year so I see how it happened like it did but if we see more of the same Joker is done and we will need someone like Leach to fix UKFB. That is if the administration is really committed to fixing it.
This post was edited by zcats 23 months ago
I can't believe I finally broke down and opened this thread... chalk it up as another bad decision on my part.
here is one, this was in the first week I am sure it's alot more since then, to easy
According to WSU, there has been an unprecedented amount of financial support, related to Leach’s hiring.
Anyone who thinks that Leach is not a top coach is football stupid and needs to ask Tim Couch what he thinks of Leach and his offensive mind..
That being said, Joker Beat Louisville.
The meanest dog in Taiwan.
Being an offensive wiz doesn't make you a top football coach. When his teams also start fielding top defenses and beating teams he shouldn't beat on a consistent basis then I'll think he is a top coach.
What? wait, so reading wikipedia and using it makes someone more knowledgeable than others? Really? No, really? [laugh]
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