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We've officially hit rock bottom. No where to go but up. Question is, who will be at the helm?
We know who it won't be though.
Barnhart quote, "I just love Joker".
The meanest dog in Taiwan.
I have been in Jokers corner thruout, but after tonight and seeing where things are going, I just don't see how he can survive without at least 3 upsets in sec play. The way it looks we will be the underdog in every conference game, including Vandy. And some of those games may very possibly end up being as ugly as a couple were last yr. The sad thing is Joker is a great guy and ambassador for UK. But then again, so was Curry, and Tubby, and BillyG (whoops, not so much there). I bleed blue and will be pulling for them to get it together, but when the Sun Belt can come into our house and basically control the game..........
Yes..it is all gone, but this shows what a good or bad hire can do overnight.
Kragthorpe did the same to a squad he inherited at UL, etc..but a good hire can transform things just as quickly .
- Mullen, Franklin (I'm waiting this year to see what he really does), Strong to some degree, Urban Meyer did it, Saban took a dithering Bama and after 1 year was national power, etc..
THe problem for me is UK seemingly never gets the hire like UL does. Schellenberger, John L Smith, Petrino and Strong (with only Kragthorpe and Ron Cooper as bad hires).
Probably should hire Petrino and hire him fast. Unless you can find somebody just as good without all the baggage. I don't see that guy out there but you never know.
Matt Jones said he would be pushing for Leach. F'ing pathetic. I don't want Leach under circumstances. I'd rather keep Joker.
Little easier to be right about a coach playing in CUSA and the Big East. Our coaches don't have the luxury of an NAIA schedule.
We agree 100%. First Leach is gone and out of the picture and unless Barnhart makes a home run hire just might as well have Joker stick around another year. Hiring some has been, or some up and coming won't get it done. Barnhart should for once and listen to the fans and like rWhit said hire Petrino who is the best "Coach". available.
I do not want UK to be the moral police, I want UK to play some football and if it takes the devil to do it, bring him into the BBN.
Got to believe UK boosters will be willing to help Mitch get the right choice this time. UK football is the cash cow that drives UK athletics and without it other sports will suffer. Mitch has said the money is there to make a big time hire. Have to believe some feelers have already been put out.
Wow, we have some of the dumbest football fans to ever walk the earth.
Why are you calling whit dumb? No sense in name calling. Just say what you don't like about his post.
Well, you're gonna get to see Leach at his best next week. Giving Trey Burton the ball as many times as he can carry/catch it. Florida will score 50+ points on what little defense we have next week.
I hate this, but it just is what it is. We have an average football team at best, in a good year. And this ain't gonna be a good year!
I don't want Leach or Petrino. I don't know who is the right person, but there has to be someone better than those two.
I'm with you mine Big Blue Brethren. However, I'm really conflicted about when to pull the trigger. A statement needs to be made to the team and recruits by bringing in an awesome hire.....now? Or later?
It's hard to swallow that argument when UK just lost to a Sun Belt team.
This post was edited by UKFlounder 19 months ago
I feel the same about Petrino that you do about Leach. Petrino is trouble and bad publicity all rolled into one. Under no circumstances do I want him anywhere near UK.
Lure the West Va coach away from them...Dont ask me how,just throwing out a name..they sure are fun to watch and they are well coached..
I don't think there is a better coach in the country than Petrino, meaning having a team perform higher than the sum of its individual athletic parts. He's a *bad* person though, and you'd have to accept that baggage and the inherent risks if you were to hire him. I'll support the administration's decision either way on this one, but he may be the only person that can get the job done and done well. Prodigies are often odd and, at best, difficult to manage. Histoey has shown us that coaching Kentucky in football is an almost impossible job. It is my opinion that we should take the risk on Petrino and offer him the job.
He is a superstar coach in the making. He wouldnt come to our stinking pile of a crashed program for less than $5 mil/yr/guaranteed.
Ladies and gentlemen,
With all due respect to each of you, the answer for UK football does not start with hiring another coach this year, next year or any year unless and until the UK administration becomes committed to building a SEC quality football program. We have had good coaches come in here over the years, and while some of them have experienced more success at UK than others, none of them have enjoyed as much success at UK as they experienced at their stops prior to UK. Claiborne at Maryland and Virginia Tech was the envy of the Big Blue Nation for several years. He came here as his last coaching stop, a favor to his alma mater, and he put the best defenses on the field over the course of his tenure that we have seen in these parts since, but he was hounded by the fan base for his outdated wide tackle 6 defense. What could Claiborne have accomplished at his alma mater, if he had the UK administration taking the steps necessary to move this program into the real SEC world? Ditto for Brooks. What could he have accomplished here if he had the UK administration commitment to SEC level success?
Joker is stumbling, and as some say, bumbling his way through what is now his third year. I see improvement on the offensive side of the ball. I see improvement on the special teams. I see potential for improvement on defense in the next 1 to 3 seasons (probably not this season).
Unless the UK administration steps to the plate with a serious plan for football success, I oppose another senseless swing of the revolving coaching door. With that UK administration commitment, I believe Joker can build a competitive football program here, and he bleeds blue more than anyone else I can see out there who would be willing to come here and step into his shoes.
I believe the problem is not fixed on the head coaching position.
What committment from the Admin. are you talking about Professor? Honest question. What do they need to do to help whomever the coach is? Thanks.
This post was edited by footballcat65 19 months ago
I agree with Prof to some extent here. While I believe that coaches make a huge difference facilities do also. Look at Oregon. If you build it they will come. If our basketball team can have the gold standard why can't the football team. A big name coach (fwiw I do not want Bobby P.) can bring only so much. If his facilities are not adequate he will eventually struggle. That being said which comes first chicken or egg. If we get a big name coach can we get upgraded facilities or can we get upgraded facilities to get a better program.
I know that is an honest question. I am going to give you an honest answer, and I am not playing games.
I do not know. If I did, I would be qualified to serve as an Athletic Director at an SEC school. I have wrestled with this very question since I reached this conclusion in 2000. I had 6 season tickets at that time. I sat through all the heat of September, rains of October, and cold of November for decades. I traveled to 1 to 3 road games each season from the late 1970s (Curci) through 2000. My fall seasons were completely committed to my favorite activity, UK football.
In 2000, I finally concluded that the array of head coaches I had supported for those years was not the source of the languishing program. I stopped spending my time and money on the activity, and promised that I would not resume until I saw commitment to UK football.
Lastly, let me say that my conclusion did not make me happy. I have not celebrated that conclusion, because fixing a bad coaching hire is relatively easy to fix, as we saw in basketball, and as Louisville has shown us again in football. However, fixing an institutional resistance, overcoming an institutional negative inertia, does not have an easy fix.
Nevertheless, I remain convinced that an institutional level solution is required.
This post was edited by TheProfessor 19 months ago
I'm confused as well. For the life of me I can't understand why schools like UNC, UL, Miss. Sate, etc.....can get 4 star recruits and UK can not! Time after time you read where a recruit talks about how nice UK facilities are but yet UK has a hard time closing the deal? I'm not completely sold that it's all about a recruiting room, stadium upgrades, etc... that would be great if they were to happen but not the total solution IMO.
I have supported Joker from day one. But last night left be feeling that he may not be the man for the job. I believe Mitch will have to make a change and open up the pocket book and bring a proven HC in. If South Carolina can get Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier back to back there's no reason UK can't do something similiar. If this was to happen the other thing talked about above would happen easily IMO.
We should hire a new coach now, and let him use this year to install his system. It's going to be a wasted year anyway, may as well use it for something.
Otherwise, another year gone.
Prof, I agree with much of what you say ... and have felt this way for a while. That being said, even if the UKAA were to commit to put whatever it is into our program that is needed to build a successful, competitive program, I am still not convinced that Joker would be the guy to head it.
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