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Think most ball fans enjoy Charles Barkley, doesn't hold back and his opinion has weight. While I disagree with his opinion on Anthony Davis I don't think it's ridiculous and there is mounting evidence to support his take on the rest of the guys in the article. At the end of the day when it comes down to making the money on the table in the NBA vs no money in college it will be damned near impossible to turn down, but from a basketball standpoint bolting for the league not always the right call.
Honestly just thinking about the guys in that article it is so insane to me that it's even a debate as to whether or not Goodwin, Poythress, and WCS will be back next year. They simply are not NBA players, the guys that preceded them at UK were dominant in college and they are struggling. Teague and Lamb are going to struggle to stay in the league, same thing could happen to this years group if they aren't ready to make some kind of positive impact on the team they're drafted to.
I like the guy but it's funny how much of Adam Zagoria's content is tailored toward UK fans haha.
But for the most part, I agree with a lot of what Barkley said.
Goodwin, Poythress and WCS just are not NBA-ready.
I think there are two major misconceptions when it comes to the NBA. The first being that they will draft you JUST on potential. I think that only happens in spots in recent years, more the exception than the norm. I believe most guys are picked because teams see them as being able to help sooner rather than later. The second is that you can practice and get better in the NBA while getting paid so it's better than practicing in college. If you come into the NBA unready to make an impact it's a gamble. Teams will forget about you, you can get a stigma attached to you, or you can lose confidence from getting dominated all the time. College ball is on job training which I personally think is the best way to learn and get better. Again though it's just almost impossible to imagine passing up the guaranteed money on the table. Nerlens Noel wasn't a double-double guy in college but he's projected top 3 so how do you pass it up? I think Barkley is right, the only way is to make it to where the kids can make some money in college while getting better prepared for the trade they will be doing for the rest of their lives. Of course that opens a whole other can of worms about how you can pay college kids but it does seem like it would be beneficial for them.
Is poythress coming back chris? Starting to hear rumblings. How could he and randle play together?
I think Nerlens and Goodwin are gone. Nerlens more of a protection play while Arch just seems to think he is ready, he isn't. I understood everyone leaving last year except Teague he would have really excelled with one more year
It all depends on position and the type of player. Bigs like Nerlens and Willie have an easier time leaving early because they will get more chances. On the flip side, they also aren't ready and their development could be affected by it. Guys like Poy and Archie wold be taking a very big gamble. Easy to get lost in the shuffle at their positions because there are so many good prospects (potential guys) and players (guys that aren't great "prospects" but can ball and seem to stay on squads for may years). The NBA will give up on them much quicker than Nerlens or Willie. I still think Willie should come back because he would move up to surefire lottery pick next year and maybe higher but if he wants to take the money it is there for him right now.
The reality is that it is VERY hard to be a star in the NBA. The better chance is being a character guy and having one or two skills that can help a team. For guys like Willie and Nerlens that "skill" is size which can't be taught. For Poy and Archie that skill will have to be something else because there are tons of guys with their dimensions itching for a job. For guys like Poy and Archie the decision really needs to be based more on how good they are and less on potential. Joe Forte and Keith Bogans are a good example. One was a first round pick and had a short career. The other stayed in school, became a better player and has made a great career out of it by being a good defender and adequate spot up shooter.
I like this post if for no other reason than reaching into your bag and pulling out a Joseph Forte mention, such a random selection, haha. Good post.
Noel and Goodwin are gone. Cauley-Stein's chances of staying are greatly diminishing by the day unless he just loves school and wants to stay. Poythress is the one nobody can really get a read on.
I think WCS may buck the trend. Seems like an interesting and kind of off beat guy. He also wasn't as ballyhoo'd and I don't think he is as spoiled.
As to Archie, I like him as an NBA prospect, but I think if he comes out now he may only be a one contract guy. Has so much to work on in his game and he is at the easiest of all positions to get lost in the shuffle.
You've said this a few times on the board and I don't doubt your info on their mindsets. My question is where are they going to go? Goodwin and Poythress continue to slide down the mock drafts, believe Poythress is out of several of them now. I know Chad Ford still has them first round but the last 3 years most UK kids that weren't consensus top 5 picks have went lower in the draft than he had them projected. I highly doubt either of them will be top 20 draft locks when push comes to shove. WCS is obviously an X factor but he'd be throwing away a ton of money settling for a 15-25 draft spot this year when he can be a top 10 pick at some point.
I wish there was a way to make kids stay 3 years unless they had a lottery guarantee.
I think Goodwin will be fine. Great work ethic and attitude IMO. Cares about winning.
Plus his game is tailored more to the NBA. The court is wider, spacing better, defensive 3 seconds. Better officiating so he won't get all those bad charges called on him.
Might take a year or two before he's getting big minutes but I don't think he's hurting himself by coming out this season.
Maybe Cal can't do it every single year, but at least for next year he has enough talent coming in that we needn't worry our sweet little heads about what this crew does. IMO it's not a great draft year. I won't be at all surprised when some very marginal players go fairly early. This year's left-overs will provide a bigger/better bench than Cal likes to use anyhow. No need to fret about our talent/depth.
UK has one commitment for next season from a Ky kid who'll be around a while. He'll also offer, and get, the kid from Madison Central and one other Ky kid in next year's class. He can kill two birds by bringing in some Ky kids, which will please most of us, and get some players he can use in roles for 4years or so. Smart.
I hope a kid like Wiltjer stays and graduates from UK.
I kind of go with Charles when he says my shooting guard has got to be able to shoot. Archie has the athleticism but his outside game is SUSPECT at best. Barkley is spot on for once, none of these guys are ready and they won't develop adequately riding the pine or playing in the d league. And that is where Archie is heading make no mistake about it.
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