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Cal's wound up on tonight's radio show...

  • Nate87 said... (original post)

    I have mixed feelings about this. I agree with what he meant to say, at the same time he could've just been greatful and said thanks and moved on. I mostly agree with Jeff on this one.

    The one thing that kind of gets on my nerves about Cal is he just talks and talks and talks. It's like listening to a 16 year old girl. If you don't know what I'm talking about listen to the post game show next game with Leach. He will ask one question, maybe two, and Cal will go on a tangent the rest of the show. Every single time.

    They took about 4-5 calls total during an hour show. lol

    Dude should run for Congress. He'd be an epic filibusterer.

    This post was edited by Jeff Drummond 3 years ago

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  • Nate87 said... (original post)

    That's his fault. Like others have noted nobody is perfect. Cal just rambles on most of the time not thinking about the reprecussions untile after the fact. That's why he took to his website to clarify. We are all guilty of this, just maybe not as much as him.

    I can't defend him in this situation, but he does have to deal with a rather large section of the fanbase who doesn't understand some of the things he talks about, e.g. the greatest night of UK bball history comment.

    Great point. I think guys like Cal (and I have friends that do this) talk SO MUCH that they don't remember half the stuff they actually said.

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  • I posted this on another site.......

    Next year will probably be a down year for UK(probably a top 10-20 team) considering all the players we will be losing. Cal is just looking out for the team next season. We cant be playing Duke, Maryland, Louisville, UNC, Indiana and whoever we play in the big east/SEC challenge. That is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. Im sure the following year(2013) when UK is one of the best teams in the country Cal will schedule accordingly. People need to get over it. Our team next season will not be ready to play potentially SIX top 25 teams(non conference) only one of which will be at home. I don't care who you are, it is absolutely unfair to put that kind of pressure on a bunch of newcomers. The 2012 class is not the strongest class( pretty weak compared to 2009 or 2011 and even 2010), this is more about protecting this specific class, it wont be something that happens every year. Smart fans should realize this. Consider if UK doesnt get Muhammad and loses Teague, Davis, Gilchrist, Miller, Jones and Lamb, which is a real possibility....you guys really want to put that team through that kind of a grueling non-conference schedule? Come on now. I believe this is what Cal was alluding to on the radio.

    What happens if we go 2-4 or 1-5 in those games? The fans will lose it. So yes I agree with Cal when he says this is about the players. It's the smart/fair thing to do for our team NEXT season. You dont want to take away their confidence in the 1st month or 2 of the season. The team that we will have next season will NOT be able to have success with that kind of a schedule. We cant afford to lose 4-5 games before we even get into January. Its about putting the program and PLAYERS in the best position to succeed.

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  • Ioannis said... (original post)

    I posted this on another site.......

    Next year will probably be a down year for UK(probably a top 10-20 team) considering all the players we will be losing. Cal is just looking out for the team next season. We cant be playing Duke, Maryland, Louisville, UNC, Indiana and whoever we play in the big east/SEC challenge. That is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. Im sure the following year(2013) when UK is one of the best teams in the country Cal will schedule accordingly. People need to get over it. Our team next season will not be ready to play potentially SIX top 25 teams(non conference) only one of which will be at home. I don't care who you are, it is absolutely unfair to put that kind of pressure on a bunch of newcomers. The 2012 class is not the strongest class( pretty weak compared to 2009 or 2011 and even 2010), this is more about protecting this specific class, it wont be something that happens every year. Smart fans should realize this. Consider if UK doesnt get Muhammad and loses Teague, Davis, Gilchrist, Miller, Jones and Lamb, which is a real possibility....you guys really want to put that team through that kind of a grueling non-conference schedule? Come on now. I believe this is what Cal was alluding to on the radio.

    What happens if we go 2-4 or 1-5 in those games? The fans will lose it. So yes I agree with Cal when he says this is about the players. It's the smart/fair thing to do for our team NEXT season. You dont want to take away their confidence in the 1st month or 2 of the season. The team that we will have next season will NOT be able to have success with that kind of a schedule(mentioned above). We cant afford to lose 4-5 games before we even get into January. Its about putting the program and PLAYERS in the best position to succeed.

    Very much valid points.

    Just don't know how he got from "Congrats coach" to that rant. lol

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  • I disagree with the notion that every games counts the same. They clearly don't, as the tournament committee looks at quality wins and losses. Beating UNC, Kansas, UL, etc. goes a lot further than beating the week conference opponents and SEC foes such ad Ole Miss and Georgia. He and the team deserve extra congrats for the big wins, and he needs to accept that instead of lecturing the fans.

  • Jeff Drummond said... (original post)

    Very much valid points.

    Just don't know how he got from "Congrats coach" to that rant. lol

    I think it just gave him the opening to say what he wanted to say. Maybe he overreacted a little bit.

    To add to my post above, I think it's clear Cal doesnt expect the 2012 class to have the same type of impact we've seen from his previous classes at UK. Unless we get Muhammad, there is no Wall, Cousins, Knight, Jones, Davis, Gilchrist in the 2012 class. Goodwin I think will have an impact from day one, Cauley and Poythress will probably have similar development curves like we have seen from Teague and Wiltjer. It will take a little bit longer for them to get going imo(by mid season I think Poythress especially will be really good). Cal knows this and so the best thing to do is to take away a road game against a team like UNC and replace it with a home game against a good/decent team. Our 2012 class is still very much up in the air and probably wont be complete until April, it only makes sense and its the right thing to do for Cal to protect his team for next season with all the uncertainty in regards to what the team will look like(although im sure Cal has a pretty good idea).

    To be honest I was very concerned about our schedule for next season considering what the team may look like long before Cal started talking, publicly at least, about any of this.

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  • For the record, if it was up to me I would drop the Louisville game and keep UNC. I think we would get more out of playing them without all the hatred and vitriol that comes with playing UL.

  • Ioannis said... (original post)

    Unless we get Muhammad, there is no Wall, Cousins, Knight, Jones, Davis, Gilchrist in the 2012 class.

    Agree 100% with that. They're getting good guys in Goodwin, Poythress and Cauley, but there's not sure-fire NBA Lottery guy yet, and that means UK has to come down to earth a little bit if Shabazz doesn't jump on board. Even if he does jump on board, it's going to drop off a bit from what we've seen the last two years.

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  • Jeff Drummond said... (original post)

    Just goes to show you it's all about Ws and Ls. Joker had a moment like that this season, and no one came to his defense. bashed

    And Joker didn't do it while being an ass either.

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  • mjdotson said... (original post)

    I disagree with the notion that every games counts the same. They clearly don't, as the tournament committee looks at quality wins and losses. Beating UNC, Kansas, UL, etc. goes a lot further than beating the week conference opponents and SEC foes such ad Ole Miss and Georgia. He and the team deserve extra congrats for the big wins, and he needs to accept that instead of lecturing the fans.

    QFT.

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  • Jeff Drummond said... (original post)

    Agree 100% with that. They're getting good guys in Goodwin, Poythress and Cauley, but there's not sure-fire NBA Lottery guy yet, and that means UK has to come down to earth a little bit if Shabazz doesn't jump on board. Even if he does jump on board, it's going to drop off a bit from what we've seen the last two years.

    I completely agree as far as rankings go, but I really think Poythress could be special.
    maybe just wishful thinking I guess but I still think he is going to be amazing by seasons end.

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  • One point this brings up is what will Cal do when he does not have a Patterson, a Harrelson & Liggins, and a Miller to step in and give stability to the young line up? His inability to keep anyone of his own recruits beyond a few years may cause problems in the future. UK needs to get some of these guys to commit to them and to stay committed to them over a 3-4 year period. People dismiss this but just think about what each of these 4 guys have meant to us over the last 3 years.

    I think he believed Poole might be that type of guy. However, no one will simply sit on the bench without any playing time. You have to throw those guys 5 minutes or so per game especially during these 20-50 point blow outs. Unless they are Kentucky kids ala Jon Hood it won't happen.

    These guys will be very important when you play the UNC's, Ul's and IU's of the world.

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  • flknopp said... (original post)

    One point this brings up is what will Cal do when he does not have a Patterson, a Harrelson & Liggins, and a Miller to step in and give stability to the young line up? His inability to keep anyone of his own recruits beyond a few years may cause problems in the future. UK needs to get some of these guys to commit to them and to stay committed to them over a 3-4 year period. People dismiss this but just think about what each of these 4 guys have meant to us over the last 3 years.

    I think he believed Poole might be that type of guy. However, no one will simply sit on the bench without any playing time. You have to throw those guys 5 minutes or so per game especially during these 20-50 point blow outs. Unless they are Kentucky kids ala Jon Hood it won't happen.

    These guys will be very important when you play the UNC's, Ul's and IU's of the world.

    So Tubby didn't bring in enough 5 star players and now Cal is being questioned for bringing in too many? Cal does not recruit one n done players...he simply recruits the best HS players in the country. When you have so much talent on the floor at once it makes everyone look like a first rounder regardless if they are ready or not, then the $$$ and the pro game starts taking a peek at these players and its buh bye now.

    Orton wasn't supposed to be a 1 n done (although he did say he wanted to be all along) Bledsoe was thought by most to be at least a 2 year guy, as well as Knight.

    The BBN simply cannot have it both ways. We cannot pull #1 recruiting classes every year then get upset over having to reload. College hoops is not the same as it used to be. The landscape has changed, and Cal has adapted and evolved with it better than anyone. In today's game I will gladly take talent over experience any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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  • tommy said... (original post)

    So Tubby didn't bring in enough 5 star players and now Cal is being questioned for bringing in too many? Cal does not recruit one n done players...he simply recruits the best HS players in the country. When you have so much talent on the floor at once it makes everyone look like a first rounder regardless if they are ready or not, then the $$$ and the pro game starts taking a peek at these players and its buh bye now.

    Orton wasn't supposed to be a 1 n done (although he did say he wanted to be all along) Bledsoe was thought by most to be at least a 2 year guy, as well as Knight.

    The BBN simply cannot have it both ways. We cannot pull #1 recruiting classes every year then get upset over having to reload. College hoops is not the same as it used to be. The landscape has changed, and Cal has adapted and evolved with it better than anyone. In today's game I will gladly take talent over experience any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    If you read the entire post you would understand that comparing Cal to Tubby or disliking 5 star recrutis etc is not the issue. By no means am I attacking Cal.

    The bigger issue is that experience makes a difference. We will need people like Patterson, Liggins, Harrelson, and Miller in the future but I don't know where they will come from. We're about to run out of them. I think UK needs to invest in some projects or some players that develop slower than others. I hope we bring in the best class every year but finding room for role players will be important. UNC, Duke, Uconn, etc does it and the last time I looked they win a lot of titles.

    Cal complained about having to re-load every year and missing on some recruiting targets and or having a down class as far as talent (not having the superstars like Wall or Cousins etc) and this would cause him to lose to the UNC's the Dukes, the Kansas'.

    If we had a solid group of Millers and Liggins etc it would help in the down years and the good years. Again, ask yourself. Where would we be without the 4 guys I've mentioned earlier?

  • flknopp said... (original post)

    If you read the entire post you would understand that comparing Cal to Tubby or disliking 5 star recrutis etc is not the issue. By no means am I attacking Cal.

    The bigger issue is that experience makes a difference. We will need people like Patterson, Liggins, Harrelson, and Miller in the future but I don't know where they will come from. We're about to run out of them. I think UK needs to invest in some projects or some players that develop slower than others. I hope we bring in the best class every year but finding room for role players will be important. UNC, Duke, Uconn, etc does it and the last time I looked they win a lot of titles.

    Cal complained about having to re-load every year and missing on some recruiting targets and or having a down class as far as talent (not having the superstars like Wall or Cousins etc) and this would cause him to lose to the UNC's the Dukes, the Kansas'.

    If we had a solid group of Millers and Liggins etc it would help in the down years and the good years. Again, ask yourself. Where would we be without the 4 guys I've mentioned earlier?

    I understand your point but what is Cal supposed to do? Turn away a 5 star prospect ranked in the top 3 at his position in favor of a project player? No way!
    Right now, UK is the IT school. The top players want to play here and play for Cal. You can't turn those kids away, especially for a project. Like I said, I get your point, but if I have to choose then ill take more talent versus less experience every time. IMO Cal has brought in one or two players each year that were not supposed to jump after 1 year, but IR just didn't work out that way. What about Wiljer? Hood? Vargas? Beckem? Harrow? These are all guys who more than likely will be here 2-4 years.

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  • tommy said... (original post)

    I understand your point but what is Cal supposed to do? Turn away a 5 star prospect ranked in the top 3 at his position in favor of a project player? No way! Right now, UK is the IT school. The top players want to play here and play for Cal. You can't turn those kids away, especially for a project. Like I said, I get your point, but if I have to choose then ill take more talent versus less experience every time. IMO Cal has brought in one or two players each year that were not supposed to jump after 1 year, but IR just didn't work out that way. What about Wiljer? Hood? Vargas? Beckem? Harrow? These are all guys who more than likely will be here 2-4 years.

    Cool. agreed

  • Ioannis said... (original post)

    I think it's clear Cal doesnt expect the 2012 class to have the same type of impact we've seen from his previous classes at UK. Unless we get Muhammad, there is no Wall, Cousins, Knight, Jones, Davis, Gilchrist in the 2012 class.

    I've said the same thing several times. Muhammad is the only real game-changer in the 2012 class along the lines of a Wall, etc.

    Muhammad could be the difference between a Sweet 16-type team and another potential Final 4-type team.

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  • Btw. Larry ivy is a 100% ass clown WHo
    Should be barred from talking about uk and never allowed on campus again.

  • Yeah, he wins. I loved BCG's comment regarding Jodie Meeks, but you'd never get Cal to admit it and I guarantee you he thinks the same thing. (Calipari describing Jones as a "selfish family lover" comment last season)

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  • I agree that you take the talent but don't forget cal isn't using all of his scholly's here. He could take a project with an unused 'ship. You have to figure out a way to balance classes a little.

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  • UBigAl5K said... (original post)

    Yeah, he wins. I loved BCG's comment regarding Jodie Meeks, but you'd never get Cal to admit it and I guarantee you he thinks the same thing. (Calipari describing Jones as a "selfish family lover" comment last season)

    One coach was a fool, jealous of a the player in the spotlight while the other was reaching out to get a players attention. Calipari would quit coaching before he got mad over a player playing too good.

  • Jeff Drummond said... (original post)

    Very much valid points.

    Just don't know how he got from "Congrats coach" to that rant.

    Now you aren't telling the rest of the story. The caller then made his comment about taking down the next kingpin or whatever he said about the 3 games (IU, UNC, Louisville). Cal's tone and length of discussion about the topic wasn't smart. But his point was 100% valid. Putting SO much emphasis on 3 games in december is plain silly...

  • cobbycobb said... (original post)

    I agree that you take the talent but don't forget cal isn't using all of his scholly's here. He could take a project with an unused 'ship. You have to figure out a way to balance classes a little.

    Please tell me you are joking?

  • Chris Fisher said... (original post)

    I've said the same thing several times. Muhammad is the only real game-changer in the 2012 class along the lines of a Wall, etc.

    Muhammad could be the difference between a Sweet 16-type team and another potential Final 4-type team.

    I agree. But a lineup with Harrow, Muhammad, Wiltjer, Poythress and hood is VERY VERY VERY good. Sprinkle in another 3 or 4 players and we are a GOOD team. Remember, college b-ball is going to be VERY different next year. Probably not a team as good as UNC, UK, or Ohio State. WIDE open next year. Much like last season.

  • hoptownukfan said... (original post)

    I agree. But a lineup with Harrow, Muhammad, Wiltjer, Poythress and hood is VERY VERY VERY good. Sprinkle in another 3 or 4 players and we are a GOOD team. Remember, college b-ball is going to be VERY different next year. Probably not a team as good as UNC, UK, or Ohio State. WIDE open next year. Much like last season.

    Sub Goodwin for Hood. Unless some of the current starting freshmen stay you won't keep Goodwin out of the starting rotation.

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