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Urging schools not to play UK at neutral sites.
Eh...what's new ya know?
Kentucky coach John Calipari didn't want to continue UK's longstanding rivalry with Indiana as a home-and-home series. Indiana coach Tom Crean didn't
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Chris Fisher 23 months ago
I'm interested to know what they think of Bobby Knight considering it was he who started the neutral site game for the IU series because he didn't want to play at Rupp anymore because he felt he was getting "screwed".
I admired and respected my college professors wondering if I would ever become as intelligent and knowledgeable ... then I grew up. Bunch of left leaning, back stabbing politicians (with a few exceptions of course), they dare not mention academically "pristine" Duke University or "exemplary" coach K.
UK should have just stated that the atmosphere in Bloomington was unacceptably hostile and potentially dangerous and that the behavior there was being fostered by the administration. It was vulgar and racist. We are not the only team that has complained. We don't have to take that abuse and shouldn't.
Crean has made statements since this blow up stating that he wants IU to be the worst away game on everyones schedule. He has no idea what he is asking for. Watch that place blow up when Purdue or OSU is in town. There is potential for something ugly to happen there.
UK did the right thing demanding the neutral site but they should have gone one step further and stated why.
I think some of that argument is legit. We should all be concerned about more games moving away from campus. BUT... I find it interesting that not a peep is said about this tactic that Coach K (and others) have used for YEARS until John Calipari starts talking about it at UK. Very interesting.
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This post was edited by bluedynasty 23 months ago
The co-chair of this group is a retired professor from Penn State, he needs to worry about the serious issues at his own university.
Why is a faculty group worried about UK playing games at a neutral site? They can still have their chess matches on campus, this doesn't affect the mathletes in the slightest. Nerds need to relax.
"Kentucky Football needs to be and will be a championship contender in the SEC."~Mitch Barnhart 11/4/12
My responce to the committee co-chairs:
I have just read your call for a boycott of the University of Kentucky with anger and no small amount of bemusement.
First of all, you are a part of collegiate athletics making you a part or an organization that perpetuates what is tantamount to modern slavery - making billion dollars on the backs of young men and women who, while admittedly provided with a college education, are not allowed to hold a job and in many cases are unable to afford the basics of college living.
You complain that Coach Calipari looks after his kids and what is best for them - afraid that by truly looking after the best interests of the student athletes, he might somehow slay your fatted calf. And yes, those playing basketball for the University of Kentucky are "student athletes" in every sense of the word.
This year's UK basketball team's cumulative GPA is nearly 3.2 and all players will finish the semester in good standing, despite the fact that five players will leave for the NBA as undergraduates. UK also is consistently at the top of SEC schools in terms of APR. As you will no doubt point out, this will be the third year in a row that UK basketball players under Coach Cal have done so. So what?
Isn't the idea of college to prepare young people to go forth and make a living in the world (as well as possibly making the world a better place)? These young men are going forth to make millions of dollars at their profession - a profession that favors youth and where even at their longest careers have a short shelf-life. And while they may not be on campus for a full four years, personal experince has taught me that exposure to like on a college campus (even if for only a semester) can broaden the horizons and outlook on life for most anyone.
What would you have them do? Stay a full four years and play for universities that victimizes them? It's not like leaving school early eliminates any hope of them receiving their degree. In UK and Coach Cal's case, we are seeing just the opposite. Coach Cal opened the doors of UK's facilities to former players who wanted to workout during the recent NBA labor dispute, if they were taking classes toward their degree.
True, these players will not finish a degree in the traditional four or five years, but they are on path to do so while making a handsome living. There are also mechanisms in places to help players attain their degrees if their professional careers are neither long nor lucrative. As a matter of fact, coach Cal has done much to encourage and help former UK players (who played under previous coaches) attain their degrees and has also made them graduate assistants on his staff, allowing them to gain a foothold in the coaching profession.
College Athletics is by its very nature a sorry little cesspit of an institution. The monies involved require coaches, faculty, administration and yes, even we fans to turn a blind eye and hold our collective noses to swallow our hypocrisy, but hold and swallow we do because fans love the sports, coaches love their careers and administrators and faculty love the source of funding for their universities.
If we weren't such hypocrites we would call for the immediate elimination of big time college athletics, but therein lies the rub. With the climate of frugality from state and federal public funding sources, what college administrator is going to turn off the tap of a revenues stream as immense as college sports while grubbing for every dollar they can get?
One national college basketball game alone is two hours of free publicity and promotion for the school that would otherwise cost millions of dollars. Winning college sports programs tend to be very effective at loosening the purse strings of large fat cat donors and are great venues for college administrators to entertain. Successful athletic programs can also be a strong draw for prospective students who want a full social as well as scholastic experience out of college
What really strikes me as oddest of all though is how to men, evidently based at what is now derisively called in many circles, "Pedophile State University," should be so quick to cast stones.
You attack Coach Calipari, for simply playing by the rules of the system that the NCAA itself put in place and doing what is best in his mind for his charges. You don't like it? Quit your bitchin' and change the system. Coach Cal himself has said that he detests the system and would like to see it changed.
Each is very reasonable and well thought out. I was going to link them for you, but could not find it on his site. If you took the time to contact him (as opposed to blindly attacking him) he would most assuredly forward them to you.
BTW, Coach K and Duke have been notorious for years for never playing any Out of Conference opponents away from Cameron Indoor unless they are in a heavily dukie -staurated neutral site. At least UK will play Baylor at home and Louisville in their arean which is more than we can say for K/Duke. Where is the outrage? Why no boycott of Duke?
To me the avg UK fan who cannot pay the huge prices for UK home games, are the one's who love the neutral sites. Also of note these games played in NY, Indy or Atlanta must have a huge impact come Tourney time, with UK being so young.
I do think Calipari makes a great point about the 2011 team possibly missing out on a national championship because they hadn't played in a dome. You could see that team came out tight as a drum because they had never experienced something like that.
Cal isn't going to let that happen again if he can help it. No coincidence they're trying to schedule games at the sites of two future Final Fours.
This is easy...
Many of the staff at UK (primarily the ones with endowed seats) get lower arena seats as part of their compensation package.
Most are neither UK nor athletic fans....
And, subsequently sell their seats at about $10k a pop for a pair of lower arena seats.
Season tix without IU or UNC on the schedule are worth less.
This post was edited by USMCatFan 23 months ago
He has Lamb to support his comments.
I agree with it 100%, actually i was wondering why he wasn't scheduling more final four and elite eight locations.
It would be nice if SEC decided to have their tourney in a NCAA final four locations. (or is this against the rules. lol)
Actually most of it is legit. Calipari is now openly running a glorified NBA farm team with little resemblance to a college basketball program with no pretense of recruiting true student athletes that are going to school for the education. But there is no question he is playing by the rules, and is tremendously successful.
It is a new era. Some of us don't like it but it is what it is.
Man Joe B was fired up on the radio because of all the criticism of Cal on this issue. He was spot on about everything.
Honestly, I think a lot of coaches and administrators are simply mad that Cal beats them to the punch on pretty much every innovative idea.
So funny that the NCAA is ALL about dollars and cents and will do anything to skim a buck off the athletes but when UK talks about bringing a boatload of people to split the money 50/50 at a neutral site, all they want to talk about is the "amateur model."
Hilarious actually. Such hypocrites.
Why is going to school to major in basketball any different than going to school to major in music, theatre, dance, etc? Or law, medicine and accounting, for that matter? Cal is taking students and preparing them for careers in their chosen professions at an almost 100% rate.
1. Is the purpose of UK to have students earn a degree (which many times turns out to be a worthless piece of paper) or to prepare them for life after college?
2. I suppose you liked it better when Joe Hall and Eddie Sutton recruited players who in some cases couldn't read or write and openly gave them cash and other benefits.
I could argue that Kentucky basketball hasn't had "true student athletes" since before the days of the Fabulous Five. The only difference now is that Cal is more open and honest about it.
Spot on Chris.
It smells like microwaved homeless people in here.
I think many would argue that the purpose of attending college is to earn a degree.
When did basketball get to be an academic major in college? Lots of baseball players choose to prepare for their profession by turning pro and joining the minor leagues, nothing wrong with that at all.
I would be careful with the allegation that we are really recruiting better students than Hall and Sutton era, just to name two off the top of my head, Chuck Verderber is a dentist I think and Bret Bearup is an attorney and pro agent - while Eric Bledsoe and Orton were not exactly what most would call college material, lets leave it at that. And studies have shown that many (most?) athletes are broke within a few years of the playing career ending so if getting a cup of coffee in the big leagues is all you are after in college, my bet is that is an empty promise as well.
You are probably right about Kentucky not recruiting student athletes much in basketball for many years now, but again, I don't necessarily think that should be a point of pride for the alums of UK.
This post was edited by Tskware 23 months ago
Brandon Knight, DeAndre Liggins, Eloy Vargas, Darius Miller and Terrence Jones are among the contributing players who have made SEC Academic Honor Roll. I believe you have to have a 3.0 to make the list. I can just about guarantee you that neither Hall nor Sutton had 5 star players do that in a three-year period.
Nice of you to mention Bearup. I was at UK the same time he was. He had a teammate (who happens to be my favorite UK player of all-time), who could:
--barely read or write
--could not tell time (if you asked him what time it was he would show you his wristwatch)
--could not tell the difference between players Roger Harden and Mike Ballenger.
I have been following UK basketball for 40 years. IMO, the program is more honest and open now than any other time.
We are the same age, and I know who you are talking about. He was a local player from Lexington, now deceased. And I think you and I will agree that the academics v. athletics debate has been going on since Harvard started really wanting to beat Yale in 1880 or so.
Spot on Tommy.....and I openly admit this to the friends and coworkers (as well as anyone else) I talk sports with.
To go a step further, when is it anyone's business why someone's in college? I knew people in college who were there (seemingly) for nothing more to meet a husband or wife.
College is what you make of it. And it's your choice.
Look, why kid ourselves and pretend like big time college sports hasn't become pretty much solely live entertainment and why pretend that the coaches care about anything more than money or winning. There are too many examples that prove otherwise.
And why kid ourselves about the general public either. When you get right down to it, most Kentucky basketball fans, most Alabama football fans and a hell of a lot of other fanbases could care less whether the starting five (or starting defensive line) includes Jack the Ripper, Charles Manson, and Attila the Hun. They could care less whether they go to class or could even find the state they are representing on a map. They just want big fast SOBs that can score TDs or hit the three. Everybody knows it so why try to justify it like our coaches are doing so much for the university or the academic community. Again, it is what it is.
I have to say watching the baseball team this spring has been a bit refreshing in that many of the kids are paying some or all of their own way to school and are actually from the state of Kentucky and seem to care about representing the university and the program - a very rare combination in this day and time.
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