In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 1024
Online now 1092 Record: 6210 (3/13/2012)
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
False. Please come with facts.
As was explained above, rose had paid a lot of money back. The issue was that he was not invoiced for about 10% of the expenses. The NCAA didn't say that Memphis was trying to hide something. What they said was that MEmphis screwed up in their invoicing. IT was a 10% mistake. There was no effort to lie, hide anything or break rules. It was an administrative screw up that any of us could have made.
My bad. 97, not 07
False. neither program went on probation. They played an ineligible player. They were not accused of lying to the ncaa or recruiting violations. They vacated wins. They didn't face sanctions from the ncaa.
Again, learn the facts before you post such nonsense. You really give your fanbase a bad name by having an absolutely miserable grasp of reality.
Birdseat is owning you guys. Come on, guys, pick up the superiority a little.
I want to hear the intimate details on why Teddy Bridgewater is dirty, lol.
Here is the timeline:
The break - a Yahoo story here: http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611
The date of the story - look closely.
Then the followup - this is one of UK most beloved writers, Pete Thamel, covering the story for you all.........and announcing the beginning of the NCAA Investigation, here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/sports/ncaafootball/miami-hurricanes-accused-of-ncaa-violations.html?_r=0
Please check the date.......
Hurtt was hired nearly 2 full years before the NCAA even began sniffing around out of embarrassment, engendered by the Yahoo revelations. Charlie was hired December 9, 2009 and he filled out his coaching staff within a month.
I agree with Birdseat. If Clint proves out dirty by NCAA standards, then he's gone.
This post was edited by senore 14 months ago
"There is an eloquence in true enthusiasm."
Edgar Allen Poe
Oh look, it's senore.
Since Hurtt was employed by UL for "nearly two full years" before the investigation, how do you feel about a UL employee being accused of lying to the NCAA during the course of his employment?
That sort of flies in the face of Jurich's pronouncement that Hurtt "hasn't done one iota wrong" while employed by UL, I suppose.
Please, tell me more about how Birdseat is owning everyone in this thread.
Their definition of "owming" is making stuff up and ignoring questions.
Jurich is quoted as saying "hurtt hasn't done one iota of wrong since he's been at uofl". I guess lying to the NCAA doesn't count.
Par for the course at duh ville
How do I feel about a UofL employee lying to the NCAA during his course of employment?
I answered that. You apparently missed it.
He says he didn't, evidently. If he did, lol, guess where he'll be working next? if you guessed "not Louisville" then I bet you'd be right.
So you're saying he represents UofL when he answers NCAA questions about events 7 years earlier in Miami?
As a UL employee, he is one of the faces of your program no matter what he is doing or talking about. He even has the company issued Linebeard.
Yep... He does. His actions (telling the truth to the NCAA or not telling the truth) is a direct reflection on his character RIGHT NOW...
Your arguments are so circular and self-fulfilling, it's actually fun.
I'll stay away for your benefit now. Cal's clean - that's all that matters, John Wooden and Louisville cheat more than you've ever dreamed of and you don't quite know what to make of Ashley running for Mitch's seat. Eric Bledsoe deserved his grade markups and Enes was legal. Have a great evening.
Wow. The cognitive dissonance that you must suffer through on a daily basis is staggering.
There's nothing circular or self-fulfilling about this thread. You embarrass yourself. Stay in your comfort zone, but don't pretend you're leaving for "our benefit."
Just duck out again and stay gone until you feel the urge to come back and look like a fool again.
It will be a shame that most of the ul fans couldn' leave with him (Hurtt).
I still don't know why UL fans bother coming over here. I hate UL and would laugh if they went on probation, etc. But I will never spend my time on their site reading or posting about them.
I guess it really gets under their skin spending four years watching fellow students walk around wearing UK gear on campus.
Here's a handy link to Hurtt's NOA:
The NCAA got into the spirit of things and blotched out names in Red & Black...Go Cards!
In all seriousness, the last two names regarding illegal phone calls - Teddy Bridgewater and Eli Rogers would fit the word-length profile.
You have to admit that it is a little funny hearing Kentucky fans accuse other schools of cheating.
That said, again, if it is proven that he did the things alleged at Miami, he should be canned. Case closed.
So Clint Hurtt accepts an interest-free loan from Shapiro in April '09, commits recruiting violations in the fall of '09 and is hired by UL in Jan '10.
During the course of his employment with UL he is interviewed by the NCAA and is now charged with misleading the investigation, specifically, not being forthcoming with NCAA investigators at that time. Bear in mind that the allegations that he denies have been corroborated by several former players and recruits.
So there are only a few options here:
1. Jurich and/or Strong failed to ask Hurtt about potential NCAA compliance issues prior to hiring him.
2. Jurich and/or Strong asked Hurtt about potential NCAA compliance issues and Hurtt lied about them.
3. Jurich and/or Strong asked Hurtt about potential NCAA compliance issues and Hurtt disclosed them truthfully.
The third option is obviously the least likely, given that Hurtt lied to the NCAA investigators about the infractions. The second option is, in my opinion, not very likely given Jurich's strong stance in retaining Hurtt even after receipt of the NOA. Leaving the third and most precious option, which I describe as "willful ignorance" or, better yet, "plausible deniability."
If the first option is correct, what a staggering lack of due diligence in the hiring process. If the second option is correct, UL athletics administrators obviously have no problem with being lied to by employees, those employees lying to NCAA investigators and will stand by them, despite the lies, spouting inane nonsense about iotas of wrong. If the third option is correct, well, UL hired a guy that admitted that he cheated.
For full disclosure, I don't find it very likely that UL suffers any penalty, and I don't find it particularly likely that any UL player suffers any penalty. By and large, there is more enjoyment to be derived from the cognitive dissonance of UL fans and the feeble attempts at deflection.
Just remember kids: Exonerated by the NCAA = LOL CHEATER; Accused of lying to NCAA investigators = BLAAAH DUE PROCESS, ALLEGATIONS, CALIPARI ARRRRRGH. What an embarrassing lack of self-awareness.
Mitch Barnhart told a group of boosters around the time of the cal hiring that since he had been hired they inquire with the ncaa about past infractions or any current allegations before they hire ANYBODY in the athletic department. The NCAA has to tell it's member institutions if there is an investigation.
Either UofL didn't care about the Hurtt situation or they were so stupid that they did not ask the ncaa about the new staff at UofL. I'd say it's the second scenario.
But you are spot on. The complete denial from uofL fans that Jurich/Strong could have been hoodwinked or played roulette with the hurtt hiring is pretty comical.
N oo ne argued? You appealed the findings. Obviously that is an argument asking for the judgement to be overturned.
I can go to UK boards today and will still see folks saying E. Kanter got a raw deal.
A simple question: is your butt jealous of the amount crap coming from your mouth?
You are naive if you really think that happened. It is ok to see it your way.
it is humorous though that if it was a rival school you would think something differently. At least admit it.
You are being silly. And I hope you are taking this as I am - simply an exchange of opinions. I have no animosity about the situation.
You do seem to be upset over a discussion on a sports opinion BOARD. Then again, most on this board buy what Coach Calipari is saying hook, line and stinker.
What questions were avoided?
These folks seem to be upset over the fact that Louisville has hired someone, who was then accused of breaking rules, and Louisville is letting due process preoceed.
They complete miss the heading of the information share - NOTICE OF ALLEGATIONS. Allegations from the word ALLEGE - meaning claim, assert, contend, charge, declare.
What is funnier is their beloved head coach was hired WHILE an active investigation was underway.
I think I will follow your lead. I will be back when their is something better to discuss. I will of course continue to read but leave tghis group to its own misery.
See you the 3rd week of football season.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports