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Very interested in seeing if anything happens with Cunningham this season. Really don't recall any reports on how he was doing since arriving on campus last summer.
Hopefully King is leading those guys and showing Cunningham the ropes. I tell ya what I wish we could find another monster like Mathews in the Juco ranks. That would help.
This post was edited by tWhit 21 months ago
Y is the tight end in most offenses fyi....
Z is the outside flanker, the slot is called slot or "h" and the x is the split end.
Semantics. Point being, in most all pro-set offenses you have 2 outside WR's in split formations, a slot-WR (in 3 receiver sets), and a TE. Sometimes the TE or HB shifts out into an "H-back" position in the slot, but that is not what most people are talking about when they talk about the "slot receiver" (i.e. the spot played by Cobb and Lyons). For the purposes of this conversation, the larger WR's will typically line up in the outside spots (whether you want to call them X, Y, Z, H, or whatever) and your smaller, more shifty guys will line up in the slot (whatever letter you want to assign it) and you will occassionally see bigger WR's in the slot in redzone packages for mismatch purposes. I haven't seen us utilize a true H-back since Tamme left, but I hope we see it again soon.
Our return game was atrocious last year (but so were a lot of things I guess). If our Special Teams could just shorten the field, I think our offense could surprise people this year. Starting at the 20 or worse every possession is not going to get it done. If Sweat can make a difference in the return game, play him NOW.
Agreed. UK's return game must improve.
I have not heard hear in this thread what I believe to be the most salient point. Yes everything all the points discussed here are good and valid. What I have not heard here is what I believe was missing last year. Their was no leadership from our QB in the first half of the season. Define that as you will. Whether it be in the form of simply performing the task of making easy short passes or scrambling to buy extra time to make the correct pass or simply making good decisions. All the above and more builds confidences in the entire team. This is what was totally lacking or missing last year. Yes Max played in the 2nd half of the season but that was with out major reps before hand and with the wheels already falling off. Everything I have heard (maybe it is wishful thinking on my part) is that Max Smith will provide those leadership skills. With that in place everyone else gets better. We will be a lot better this year than anyone is predicting because we will be playing as a team with much better leadership. I HAVE HIGH HOPE FOR THIS YEAR. Realistic hopes but hight hopes.
Everyone i've talked to has said Cunningham is a kid that can run like the wind, block and catch but he's STILL very raw. The good thing is he's 6'3/6'4 225# and ripped to the bone, so once he gets it (if he does, he's just a FR) he should be a good one with that type of athleticism and hands, yes I said hands... His blocking, hands, size and speed are all his best qualities or so i've been told, it's his understanding of the position that is holding him back... It would be great to have another big body WR that can hold his own with OLB's/Safeties... It's so much easier for our RB's to break a CB's tackle than it is a Safety/LB as well all know, we need a big WR that can block down and make space... If Washington really is a good WR coach I think he will be able to do something with all this young new athleticism, I just hope these kids take the time to nurish their own craft. No doubt they have all the tools, work ethic and heart over comes almost all other shortcomings.
I really hate to include all our players when I say this because I know all aren't lazy but alot of this generation didn't stay outside like my generation and i'm only 27, when I was young kids were outside. Almost all kids 5-10 years younger than me stayed in the house and I really do think that has hurt the state of KY and other low populated states. Back 20+ years ago kids worked on their craft all the time, every weekend by 8 or 9 o clock I was up and outside.
I do think Whitlow's love for the QB position could slow his development at WR unless he's a very hard worker and has a attitude similar to Randal Cobb... Kids like Cobb could play anywhere on the field because of their desire to be the best. I hope we have a few in the 12 class just like him, no doubt Joker hit a home run in the 11 with kids like Coleman, Dixon, Dupree, Lowery, Clemons, Miller, West and Warren... GO CATS!!!
This post was edited by todd 21 months ago
I fear our punting will shorten the field.
Anytime you lose a punter like Tydlacka, you will see a drop off....but we have some really decent young guys that should do just fine.
It's not semantics - it's being accurate. From it's inception football formations had to have 7 men on the line of scrimmage and there were assignment of positions within that framework of rules for formation purposes. By the same token, there are 4 guys off the line of scrimmage or "in the backfield". The outside guy on both sides (ends) of those guys lined up on the line of scrimmage is an eligible receiver, regardless how far they distanced from the ball at the snap.
The idea of identifying receivers all began once teams started passing the ball and would split out the end man on one side of the line of scrimmage and this was commonly called the 'split end' while the end that stayed in tight to the formation was designated as the 'tight end' but still there remained four eligible receivers in the backfield that were designated quarterback, fullback, left halfback and right halfback. One of the halfbacks were commonly moved from the standard T formation spot to an offset position behind and just outside of the tight end. This position became known as wingback as he was on the 'wing' of the formation.
As teams grew more into the passing game they would take this wingback and 'split him out' much as they did with the split end. They began calling this position the 'flanker' and was typically the right halfback but he had to align off the line of scrimmage (by at least a yard) to remain 'in the backfield'. The basic formation then was split end on the left (weak side of the formation) and tight end and flanker on the right (strong side of the formation) and thus the standard passing formation or 'pro set' was born.
As offenses evolved these positions were given lettering assignments to simplify things and were designated from left to right X, Y and Z with X being the split end, Y being the Tight End and Z being the flanker.
Regardless what they are called by a particular team the basic principles still remain in that there must be seven on the line of scrimmage and four in the backfield thus when splitting out the Y receiver, he must remain on the line of scrimmage. Splitting the TE out wide was not so beneficial with that body type so the split out Y receiver became an actual wide receiver replacing the bigger, slower TE.
Splitting the Y out wide and moving the flanker inside of him put the flanker in the 'slot' (opening) between the Y and the offensive linemen but that term also now commonly refers to the fourth wide receiver who aligns in the 'slot' between the outside receiver (whether that be the split end, Y reciever, or the flanker) and the offensive linemen. Different offenses use different lettering terminology for this slot reciever but H is commonly used as well as W.
The H-back commonly refers to a TE type that is aligned to the strong side of the formation as a wingback and can be in conjunction with a normally aligned TE but doesn't have to be.
Thank you RV, you saved me about 20 minutes of typing
"Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra
Yeah, I don't really see where anything in my post indicated that I don't get all of that. I mislabeled the Y and Z in my initial post, but as you note different teams refer to the different WR positions by different names, letters, etc. Are we really arguing, or trying to educate one another, on this? I think we're saying the same thing.
Which is what we said after we lost Masthay too. Just sayin'
RV i'm not going to quote all of that and don't get me wrong it's usefull but everyone on here pretty much knows the history and how the game evolved and how to refer to each WR position. If they don't they should. The stuff you mentioned is elementary like my vocabulary...JK...
It's not so elementary if folks don't know what the X, Y and Z receivers are and how they relate and align in an offense.
Do you really think I (or anyone else on this board) don't know where wide outs, split ends, slot receivers, tight ends, H-backs, etc. line up or what their purpose is? I thought I was pretty damn clear that I simply mixed up the Y and Z designations, but that I am well aware of where they line up, what type of players are typically at each position, etc. I'm not quite sure why you insist on keeping on with that, RV.
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