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oh snap, another 247 staff member picks Barker to SC
from steve wilfong (5 minutes ago)
My Crystal Ball reads South Carolina.
Slight chance it changes but today I feel really good he will be a Gamecock.
USC hasn't offered Brandon Harris a QB from Louisiana? His profile says he has an offer.
No. Seriously, we may not take one if we miss on Barker.
South Carolina improved their program by hiring a HC with a pedigree to sell to players, convincing local talent to stay home, investing in the program, and maintaining fan support through some mediocre seasons early on.
Kentucky hopes to improve their program by hiring a HC with a pedigree, a hometown OC with an exciting system, and investment in the program. Right now is the stage where UK coaches are trying to convince local talent to stay close to home. Next season will demonstrate whether fan support (which is likely at an all-time high) will remain through what is likely to be a rough year.
CMS doesn't have the pedigree of SOS, but the combination of a high-level DC and high-level OC has Kentucky fans excited. It has some local talent excited. It may even have Drew Barker excited, but we're seven days from finding out if there is enough excitement to overcome 2-3 years of good results from USCe.
The few (and it was just a few) USCe fans who came to lord their overpowering program over lowly Kentucky on a Kentucky message board are pretty obviously t-shirt fans that have showed up with the (relatively) recent success. If Kentucky has some success, I have no doubt that some t-shirt fans will show up and crow to whoever will listen. Both groups are useless.
The first time I had heard of him was today when an insider said he was offered by Ohio State in reference to Ohio State not recruiting Barker any longer. If we offered it was not at QB.
Assuming coach stoops really starts to turn things around that is a legitimate concern but stranger things have happened. Who would've thought coach strong would have signed a long term deal with u of L after smashing Florida in the sugar bowl last year. I mean every talking head on satellite radio was wondering where he'd end up..but he like where he was and u of L payed him well and he stayed the course. It happens. I mean did you think spurrier would stay this long in Columbia? As another SC poster stated you weren't exactly a Juggernaut when he got there but much to his credit he has hung around and kept digging and has turned the program into a team capable of big things.
This is a pretty good description of what has happened, but it goes deeper.....
USCe has hired back to back college Hall of Fame coaches and it has taken 13 years to get to the point that they are now. The Carolinas are possibly a more fertile recruiting ground than what UK is currently trying to mine, although the combination of Kentucky and Ohio might give it a run for its money. Kentucky will also have to compete with Ohio State, Michigan, and others in Ohio for prospects where USCe basically just has Clemson in-state.
I'm not sure how much deeper you think it goes. USCe, historically, is a pretty mediocre to bad football program. Some good coaches that could convince local talent to stay and dogged fan support has taken them from that reality to a team that can contend for the SEC East. Of all fanbases, I would have imagined that USCe would be one that could appreciate what CMS is attempting to start in the Commonwealth.
This is a good post.
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A lot of truth in that. Until the past three years South Carolina had exactly two seasons in its history of more than eight wins. It's not like we're talking about Alabama/USC/Notre Dame or something here. That program has done a very good job of building to the point its at now, but it started this climb from very much the same place Kentucky is attempting to begin its climb to relevance.
As for Barker, only the kid and his family know what he wants out of his collegiate experience. Some kids want to go to a place that is having success already. Some want to blaze their own trail. Some want style of play. Some want to be close to home. Some want to get away. But in reality, whichever school the kid chooses next week they still have to hold onto his commitment for another nine months. So much can happen between now and next February.
Hopefully no one takes this as me putting down Stoops or UK, but I don't get the comparisons between SC hiring Spurrier and UK's recent hire. SOS came in having won 7 conference championships and a national championship as a head coach. Stoops hasn't coached his first game yet. None of that is meant as a put down, or to say y'all shouldn't be excited. Just saying the 2 situations are totally different.
This post was edited by Jefe5235 11 months ago
The situations are distinct, including something that you didn't mention: SOS had the benefit of taking over from another hall of fame coach in Lou Holtz. CMS is taking over for Joker Phillips.
While distinct, there are enough similarities to draw the comparison. I can also draw comparisons with Franklin's (somewhat limited) success at Vanderbilt and countless others. I used SOS and USCe because this is a thread started by a USCe fan. The comparison didn't even mention coaching prowess, just a coach with a "pedigree" which I think we can all agree is broad enough to not necessarily draw a straight line to the conclusion that I meant CMS = SOS.
You can have a conditional offer. You are told you are a plan B, if A doesn't commit you get the spot, if he does you are either cut lose or offered a grayshirt. You can call it a contingency offer if you like. It's an offer but it's contingent upon another decision so it isn't "commitable".
"Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra
Actually the pitch is clear: Come to UK and play in an offense that allows you to throw 40-50 times a game; play for your homestate school and become a legend (Tim Couch comes to mind); help UK build something special. Seeing what Stoops has done on the recruiting trail, if that carries over to the field, UK could be a tough game for most, even the almighty Gamecocks. lol.
If Barker commits to UK along with the other 3/4 potential commits being speculated by others (3 of whom are 4-star by various recruiting sites, besides Barker) UK will be ranked in the top 10 recruiting classes by June 1st. In other words, UK will have 5-6 4-star commits by June 1st. Thats coming off a 2-win season......
This post was edited by Chiuk 11 months ago
All I can say is you avatar is amazing. I'd luv to play QB an have her hike my ball.
I think he's gonna pick SC but ill completely understand if he picks UK and respect that decision. Our rise in college football is directly related to big Time instate talent staying home.
"Those who live in the past are cowards and losers" -- Mike Ditka
You don't see the selling point in having a heisman trophy winning QB coach that happens to be a legend. Said team is also in the elite group in the best conference in the country. So you can lead that team orrrrr
Be on your back for most of your career with fans who couldnt care less about football.
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Sorry, I really fail to see any meaningful similarities. With that I'll drop it because the last thing I intended to do was insult you guys. I think you got a great coach who can clearly recruit. Good luck with Barker.
Funny a UK fan calling us USCjr... Seems like ur rent checks due bro. We have owned your ass when we were terrible and do now...
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Good grief. Some people cannot take anything that could even possibly be construed as criticism towards their favorite team.
The existence of this very thread and the posters contained within it refutes your stupid observation that UK fans "couldn't care less about football." The fact that UK had 50,000 fans at the spring game refutes it as well.
I guess some people just can't stand not taking a shot at someone else. Edwards said he didn't see the selling point of USCe, specifically in reference to the signs that may point to UK. What he said about the development of USCe QBs, however, is valid. USCe is much better known for Clowney and Lattimore than Garcia or Shaw.
"We?" What position did you play? I might have seen you when USCe came to Commonwealth in 2010 and 2012.
With that said, I don't like the term USCjr either. USCe does the trick for me.
This post was edited by JDHLaw11 11 months ago
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