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Former Cats Terrence Jones was sent down to the NBA D-League and I know hindsight is 20-20 but if he had stayed 1 more season under the tutiledge of Calipari maybe things would have turned out differently or maybe not. Jones has the talent and the body to play in the NBA but what he lacked was intensity and I see the same thing in the player Alex Poythress. They both have shown flashes of greatness in the way they can play the game but unfortunately they both have shown a lack of motivation-intensity or fire in the belly for extnded periods of time on the court. It may or may not be too late for Jones to realize his dream of being an NBA player but Poythress surely has time to correct this situation and I pray for his sake he does. He IMO could be the best player on this team and one of the best in the country but unless he finds that inner thing that all NBA superstars have Im afraid he may end up in the D-League also.
This post was edited by sleepydog 16 months ago
I see the D-League becoming a bigger trend in the league...especially with the influx of underclassmen going into the league sooner. And I do not see that changing because they still get paid the same, so why not develop in the D-League as compared to college? Money!
"Above anything else, I hate to lose." -- Jackie Robinson
Jones was drafted into a tough spot for a power forward....the D League will be a good thing for him as long as he keeps his head up.
T-Jones is going to D-league not because of his play, but his position is overloaded.
You got the starting center at Asik and starting PF with Patterson.
YOu then have Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons and Cole Aldrich who are all bench players.
They were always loaded with PF/C position. I think they just want him to keep playing so they moved him to D-league. He is ready to play. I think he is better than the bench players mentioned above, he actually has shown that.
How many of the D-Leaguers have made it back to the NBA and contributed successfully to that team? I really dont know the actual # but I havent heard of too many doing that. And if you remember I did say that Jones may or may not make it back. I have no doubt that if he can capture that inner fire and sustain it from game to game then he will indeed be able to return to the bigtime.
The problem with what you said about him being better than the bench players that were kept is that if he were truly better they would have kept him and sent the other(s) down to the D-League. My point with this thread is to compare how Poythress is exhibiting the same mannerisms and lack of drive that Jones showed a lot of the time he spent here at KY.
Poythress, Noel, and Goodwin will all leave prematurely after this season in my opinion. Although I think it is obvious that they each need at least 1-2 more years in college.
I couldnt agree more with your post in its entirety.
I tend to agree with you. I saw Terrence play for Houston and he did very well, was very aggressive. Just way too many forwards, they also had the kid that has a fear of flying.
Royce White is his name I think. I saw Jones play some for the Rockets and he showed signs of making it but I havent been to any of the practices and havent seen him in all his minutes played or been around him to gauge his demeanor so Im basing my opinion on what he did at UK, besides this is more about how Poythress is starting down the same road as Jones but definately has the time to take a different path thus changing his future when he does go to the NBA.
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Let me add this addendum to my original post. If you guys remember how Jones reacted to how Cal got in his face especially in his 1st year and you compare the way Poythress reacts then you can see how they are emotional identical twins. Jones improved some in his soph. year but still had the same reaction to Cal when he jumped on him. Poythress shows little or no emotion on the court and I know some players dont but a smile or a fist pump every now and then would at least show that hes fired up. In a quote from Cal today on this site he said he finally saw a smile on Poythress' face for the 1st time this year in practice so I know Im not the only one noticing what I have said in this thread.
Ignorant post by OP..:Patterson got sent to d-league...this happens...
Lol you do realize that he still gets paid an NBA contract right? Nothing wrong with making money while ou develop your game.
I think you're spot on. Jones has easily outplayed those other guys sans Patterson.
This happens all the time. Terrence has played like a monster dating back to last march.
Maybe they're trying to show case those other guys in an attempt to improve trade value so they can get something for them before contracts expire.
you have to realize Mchale is known to not play Rookies.
Jeremy Lamb, Terrence Jones, and Royce White. None of them really get to play.
Chuck Hayes and Patrick Patterson both went to D-league. They are very much energy guys with right attitude.
if Terrence Jones went to a team that has PF need and coach known to play rookies, he would be playing in NBA right now. I bet Coach Pop would really be successfully developing Jones right now.
EDIT: Of course Lamb was traded, but the point remains the same.
This post was edited by Wildmoon 16 months ago
I have never doubted Jones has all the tools to be a very good NBA player and he could very well come back and do just that. This thread was more about the way Poythress has some of the same tendencies as Jones had here at UK and how he needs to correct them so he can achieve the greatness that I believe he can if he just turns the after burners on during practices and games.
Nothing wrong with that at all that he still draws the bucks while learning to get better and I dont doubt that he will return to the NBA but this thread was more on the point that Poythress is headed down the same path as Jones did especially in his first year. Poythress I think has the ability to be a down right great player and succeed in leaps and bounds in the NBA if he can just capture that inner fire and sustain it in both practices and games.
cousincarl I appreciate that you replied to this thread but I would think that calling it ignorant is below you. There isnt anything ignorant in hoping that Poythress can capture the inner thing that great players have so he can better himself and the team. Cal himself today said that Poythress smiled in practice for the very 1st time which indicates that maybe these early am "conditioning" sessions are having the effect Cal had hoped for. Again thanks for the post but I hope no one ever calls 1 of your posts ignorant. I know I wont or ever would but maybe that makes me even more ignorant than some think.
I agree that if poythress becomes 100% beast mode, like MKG he will be better. That's without saying.
However, Jones going to D-league has nothing to do with Poythress situation. Jones also had more of bad decision making than his energy. His energy and reaction were minor issues at times, but his decision making was far more concerning. His second year, he was much more clever and other than the 3 game span where he broke his pinky finger, he played really well.
Also, Poythress going to D-league will all depend on his situation and where he goes. Many coaches wants Rookies to develop prior to playing serious minutes. Poythress will never come to the league expected to change the franchise like Wall or Davis did. I think he will come in as a future starter, and they will decide what's the best route for him to develop.
Kobe bryant's first season was only 15 minutes per game. very small for a future legends. His sophomore season was 26 mpg, again small for future legend. You have to realize even Davis has been limited as a player too. Even before his injury his time was limited below 30 minutes. Same thing for MKG. So T-jones or Poythress might both go to D-league, but that's because it's the necessary steps they need to take to develop into a starter in NBA.
Sleepydog ... I understand the intent of your original post ... you explain it in about 6 more posts ... but the problem with this thread is that you've made your point with such a negative tone and have called into question the character of two of our more favored recent and current players. Not saying that you're wrong ... just that you probably could have gone about it differently and not rubbed everyone the wrong way.
Anyway ... go 'Cats ...
Im sorry you feel the way you do b/c my intention was never to question the character of either player and I dont think I have. About the repeating the points more than once I do have a bad habit of doing that and will work on not doing it in the future. When I respond to different posts I do tend to respond like Im talking directly to that person like they havent seen what I have said before hand. That is for sure something that can be annoying to the readers of threads so I apologize for that and for giving you the impression that I was questioning the character of either player because I would never do that knowingly. I know how hard they work at their game and have been for a long time because I did the hard work myself so no one could understand more.
Depends on who drafts them. Almost every kid drafted regardless of time spent in college needs more development to contribute at the next level. Get drafted to a team that sucks and you play a lot. Get drafted by a team with depth and you sit or go to the D-League.
That is why I was saying the D-League will become a bigger trend. The over abundance of raw undeveloped talent. Draft the guy and develop him. Stock up on "potential". Right now you cannot really name anyone because it was pretty much the end of your NBA career if sent down. But I see that changing and becoming more like the minor leagues in MLB. I could be totally wrong, and it could be more that the recent draft classes really were not that good....only time will tell.
Jones going to the D League isn't a big deal a lot of mid firsts and 2nds do it now because they're not getting playing time with the big team and need more than practice to develop. I linked a list of the 103 former D League guys who were playing in the league in April of 2011 but I'll list some of the highlight names here
It's becoming pretty common place for younger NBA guys to go down to the NBDL when they don't have a spot on the roster but it's not necessarily a bad thing. I understand the frustration sleepy but it's not a bad thing that Terrence had to go to the DL and that seems to be the connotation you had in mind. I think most view the DL as a bad thing because of situations like Thabeet and him being classified as a bust.
Note: Three former Red Claws players are currently on NBA teams competing in the NBA Playoffs: Avery Bradley (Boston), Magnum Rolle (Atlanta) and Bill Walker
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