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Expectations is the root of all things that are wrong with the UK football program. Lets start with this question, what are the expectations of the basketball Cats? The answer to that ? is easy "to play for a national championship each year". Now I ask what are the expectations of the football program? During Rich's tenure he met expectations and won 6 games and went to a minor league bowl game. Then Joker was hired what were the expectations? Perhaps the same as Rich had and in that lies the problem. Instead of offering a very good coach with name recognition enough to get his foot into the livingrooms of 4 or 5 star players in the states that produce those kind of players each year Joker arrives at the doors of 2 and 3 star recruits and some that arent even ranked and he has a name that isnt known for success and a program that expects to win 6 games so they can go to a little respected bowl. Maybe if we were to raise our expectations and hire a coach that could fullfill those expectations then the 4 and 5 star recruits would answer their doors.
When it comes to UK football, In don't expect a team that is going to compete with Alabama, LSU & Florida on an annual basis - I don't think the state produces enough of the 4 & 5-star talent and its very difficult to get those kind of kods out of theirhome states unless you have the solid tradition.
The way the UK schedule is right now, I do expect the program to win all three (non-UL) non-conference games on a yearly basis and I expect the to be at a level where they handle UL at least three out of every four years minimum - no excuse for the Cards ever being in better hape than us. I don't think its overly-optomisitc to expect us to dominate Vandy and be on a very competitive basis with schools like Ol Miss, Miss St, Missouri, TAMU and Arkansas and a lot closer to schools like Auburn, Georgia. So. Carolina and Tennessee than we currently are.
Other than Vandy, I don't think losing to an SEC school is something to necessarily be embarrassed about. More than actual W's & L's, I'm more conecerned withthe way the team takes the field. If I'm convinced that a teaqm is well-prepared, motivated has a solid game-plan and gives their best effort, but are just beat by a better team, I will never be as criticaql as I now am.
As things stand now though, I have no confidence that this coaching staff is capable of putting together a winning game plan and putting a prepared, motivated team on the field over the course of a full season. UK can not aoofrd to keep such a staff.
While I don't think it's realistic to expect a 10-2 or 11-1 record every year, I do think its quite doable for the right staff to win seven or eight games a season (nine in an "up" season) and three to four conference games minimum. I believe that even in an expecptional season, six or seven wins is about the ceiling for a Joker-led squad. Even then, I would expect at least three or four flat, unispired, mis-managed games per year.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by bluedynasty 21 months ago
I read this as saying 3-1 OOC & 1-7 SEC is what we should expect. 10-2 may be unrealistic, but there's a lot of room between there & 4-8. I think 8-4 is a reasonable goal. For instance, GA/SC/AR this year just aren't that great. We should be competing evenly with those type teams. We should be better than MO is this year. V & TN aren't earth-shattering either.
Everyone should have high expectations for both Football and Basketball and nothing less IMO.
Didn't say (or at least never meant to say) that 3-1/1-7 should be the norm or even acceptable. I think 4-0/3-4 or 4-4 should be the norm. No reason to EVER not be competitve with UL (preferrably considerably better).
This post was edited by bluedynasty 21 months ago
If those are you expectations then thats fine but with Joker as coach Im not sure that is even possiblr. You said that we cant recruit kids that are of the 4 or 5 star talent level I can agree with that if Joker stays but with the proper coach with very good name recognition can get their foot in the door of kids that arent from KY. I also expect the AD to make all of the football facilities on a competitive level with the rest of the SEC so once the coach has their foot in the door he can then praise the facilities of the program.
Exactly what Im trying to get across in this thread.
I don't think it's out of the question to expect improvement each year and 7-8 wins. But, that's just me.
Dont you think having expectations for 7 or 8 wins per season is exactly what we will end up with rather than expecting us to win enough games to win the SEC is a better goal?
I think you need to get a coach in here that can meet the expectations of win 7-9 games a season on a regular basis and then worry about winning the SEC title. I didn't say in my post that UK could never win the East or the SEC. Get them to the level where there winning 7-9 games a year and there could well be years where they can compete for the East and maybe even the conference. I just don't believe that UK will ever be a perrenial league favorite like Bama, LSU or Florida.
I respect your opinion and the progression that you laid out is a good model for UK to aspire to but I think if a person or in this case a program thinks big time then it can achieve big time things, that was my point. When I played there we always thought we had a chance to do great things in a KY uniform but I think it has to start at the top not just with the coaching staff and players and must include the fans. If all of these factions believes it can be done then it will be possible to be done. It wont happen overnight but there has to be a beginning. PS: I dont believe I responded to another post but this one you just put on this thread I started, please correct me if Im wrong. Thanks
This post was edited by sleepydog 21 months ago
Good question Sleepydog. Perhaps a realistic view would be South Carolina. They have a better recruiting area in SC than we do but their program was fairly comparable to ours when they went coach shopping last time. They get Spurrior who is arguably one of the top 5 all time in the SEC. Year 6 they won 9 games for the first time and last year they improved on that. The point is it took him that long to turn the corner there and i dont know that if he left after this year it would sustain. The thing is, to turn this around here it could be 7-10 years in order to be competitive for league titles. And that's not consistently but every few years. That's as long as we have the right guy hired and he stays long enough.
Thats a great example of S.Carolina and thats what we need to do and as Ive said like you just did it wont happen overnight but it can happen. Thanks
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