In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 414
Online now 511 Record: 6210 (3/13/2012)
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
This should be the key point to all of this for Kentucky fans. THEY STAYED AWAY.
All this stuff was out there on Shabazz and yet Cal recruited him hard until he signed on UCLA’s dotted line.
What is UCLA’s problem right now could have easily been Kentucky’s problem. That is troubling for me as a fan of the school that has been on NCAA probation more than anyone.
This one and done system is sexy right now with all these great recruits lining up to put on the Blue and White, but just how sexy is it when the NCAA comes in and says that UK has lack “institutional control” and are given harsh penalties.
I don’t try to ever be Debbie Downer, but is concerning to me.
This post was edited by 5368ppi 13 months ago
The nba and nbpa, not the NCAA make kids wait a year before going to the nba. Kids don't have to go to college. They can do what Brandon Jennings did and go to Europe if they want money.
The nba absolutely has a right to have requiremts to enter the draft. The one year of college has helped nba teams better evaluate players against better talent before investing millions in 18 year olds.
Now, the NCAA is silly to not allow kids the chance to make money while in college. Some kind of loan program (cal has mentioned this) makes a ton of sense.
We will agree to disagree. Student Athletes like Bazz aren't helpless victims of a great master plan to make money off young adults. These kids have the opportunity for four years to receive a college education free of charge. They receive free meals, room and board, books, tutoring, and depending on which sneaker brand supports the school, free apparel. they're parents aren't victims either. It's the parents job to prepare their child for success (saving for college, networking, teaching them work ethic etc..). In most cases, the parents wouldn't have the opportunity to send their kid to college, feed and put cloths on their back. In this case his father is convinced he and others are victims and plans to exploit the system (reminds anyone of Reggie Bush family). It is what it is! Currently it may not be illegal but it doesn't prevent me from expressing my opinion. Call it out for blood (really TWhit dumbest thing I've heard in a while) or one who is tired of a society who wants something for nothing and that profit sharing should exist in every day life. Again, I think he and his son is trash and glad as hell he didn't attend UK!
Hoptown, to be honest, MOST of these kids receive pell grants that they never have to pay back.
I'll use the Fab Five as an ex. They seem to be the forefathers that claim an athletic scholarship is exploitation of young America's. They're credited with standing up to big colleges and demanding more. However, ALL 5 received Pell Grants on top of their Michigan Education. Mind you, none regardless of future monies made paid 1 single dime back.
This is just simply not true, particularly in football.
I agree that the kid's father is a punk. But I can't blame shabaz at this point for being who he is. He is a product of the environment he was raised in.
I think the free college education is a terrific thing. But I also think the NCAA is a joke considering the stupid salary they pay their exec but how little they spend enforcing their "rules".
The NCAA is a sham organization. I don't think college player should be paid salaries.
But if a bank wants to make a guy a loan against future earnings (happens all the time in the real world) I don't know why that can't happen.
To say "most" is incredibly misleading. I had a close friend on the football team and he indicated that at 15-20% of the guys got peel grants. He mentioned that many of them sent the money home.
Why shouldn't a kid be able to do what society does all the time ( borrow against future earnings) in the form of student loans?
There is a moronic peautocrat making millions to run the sham NCAA. 99.9999% of that money comes from the NCAA tournament. But as cal days, those kids who make all they money for the schools and coaches and NCAA cant even get enough calories in a day.
I'm not advocating for them to be paid. But I am advocating to insert common sense into the equation.
This post was edited by hoptownukfan 13 months ago
I don't disagree to some level of change. If an athlete (regardless of sport) isn't allowed to work to help cover the expense of attending college, than the scholarship should.
Your wrong! It's more true in football and basketball than any other sport!
"Your wrong". That explains a LOT!
Sorry Hop!!! It was intended for Blueghost.
It can't be "more true". Each athlete (and technically every student) gets the same "reimbursement", if you will, for playing their sport at the school. Therefore, logically, its much, much less true for the athletes in higher revenue sports. Football players at Bama are probably paid pennies in the dollar for their services. The schools make enormous profits off of football players at BCS schools. They continue to make money off of these athletes for the rest of their lives, in many instances. And a good many of these athletes have no interest in a college education. So it's like paying an Eskimo for his/her services with ice.
This post was edited by BlueGhost 13 months ago
If Bazz had come to UK,the NCAA would probably give UK the death penalty once this story broke.Cal is very fortunate Shabazz took his game to UCLA.
I understand what your trying to say. However, it's the Brand that generates the millions of revenue. The kid chooses the school for the brand. Whether the Brand recognition is Saban, Calipari, Opportunity to play in the NFL or NBA. It's all the same. Since I live in Tuscaloosa, I can assure you regardless of who's playing football at Bama the Brand will generate a profit. There will still be 101,000 in the stadium and 100,000 on the Quad tailgating. Now you can debate who created the brand. At some schools and sports its easy Bama/Bryant, KY/Rupp, Fl/Spurrier, Oregon/Nike, etc... Regardless of creator, the student athletes receive reimbursement for their services. Is it enough? Maybe or maybe not. Regardless, they're not victims and the kids aren't hurting. Especially at schools like Bama.
That's true, sure. You plug new names in every 3-4 years. But the players win the games. And the won games lead to bonus moneys. And the schools make money off of individualized jerseys and video footage/images. How much money do you think Aggie has made off of Johnny Foootball? And they will continue to do so forever.
You actually couldn't be more wrong. Mr Williams did all he could to protect his daughters from the pressures of young tennis stars while the tennis community ridiculed him and called him controlling. Well look how well rounded and successful his daughters have become compared to other teen sensation tennis stars like Jen Capriatti. He knew they were given athletic gifts from God but he also knew that too much too soon was a dangerous thing. What he did is actually somewhat amazing in a sense. What bass father did is pathetic. Ill never criticize a parent for trying to protect their kids, even if it is misguided. Ron Holmes isn't protecting. He is exploiting, and he is a giant POS.
Are you being serious? Serena Williams is as condescending, insulting and crazy as any tennis player in he history of the game. Venus seems to be a polite lady but Serena is full blown nuts.
Yes, I'm dead serious. If you don't see the overall point of Richard Williams being nothing like Ron Holmes I don't know what to tell you.
And for the record she has had some on court blow ups, but she is always courteous when not in the heat of the moment.
The point was that their children were born and bread to be future professional athletes. We wouldn't even be talking about this situation with Bazz and his father in a negative light if not for NCAA rules. It wouldn't even be a story. But I really have no idea what Mr. Williams did to protect his daughters. I guess you'd have to explain a little more in that regard.
Maybe the fact that his father may have committed fraud re: his birth certificate? Maybe the fact that his dad is likely committing tax fraud by admitting that he has income from property he doesn't own?
In terms of Richard Williams... He took his children's childhood's away driving them like sweatshop labor.
I also won't look past one of his daughters threatening to kill a judge. Imagine if a basketball player threatened to kill an official? She's lucky she didnt get a terroristic threatening charge for those comments.
Jersey sales, as it relates to a College athlete is an interesting one. I'll use Alabama football and Kentucky Basketball as examples. When a Alabama Fan purchases the # 12 Jersey (other than the alabama Brand), who/ why did they purchase it? Is it for Namath, Stabler, Croyle or McElroy? They all won games that led to "bonuses for coaches". In doing so, each one turned winning games into some level of a professional career. Obviously Namath and Stabler's career is what dreams are made of. But would McElroy be in his 3 yr as a professional player had he played for MSU, Vandy or Ky?
Same for Ky basketball. When the # 3 Jersey is purchased. Is it for Chapman, TJ, Noel? Personally when I think of the # 10 jersey, I think of Dirk Minnefield. Not sure why since I was barely old enough to see him play. :-). I will never relate it to Archie Goodwin.
The "reimbursement" to these kids is clearly through a $20,000 a year Scholarship. Is it enough? Maybe, Maybe Not. Personally, as someone who had to work to pay his way through school. I would have jumped at the chance afforded to student athletes at major sports programs.
This post was edited by pdsimpson73 13 months ago
I agree. I'll never understand how she got away with that one.
I would have loved to get an academic scholarship too. Still, college isn't for everyone, and I think we often try to fit every peg into a round hole, even if it may be a square peg.
The other side of this is that college athletics has become *only* about the money. The Universities have bastardized the true nature of student-athlete to become unpaid (unless you're Cam Newton) athletes with benefits. All the soul is gone from it.
Still I'm not sure we're talking about it on this site in particular if it weren't for NCAA rules which was my point.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports