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I have a couple questions for the insiders on this board. I have read that the coaching staff wants to be more selective with their 2013 football recruiting in terms of giving out offers. However, recently, they have taken players with no or only a few other BCS offers. If the staff is being more selective, why are they taking commitments from these players if they could possibly get these guys as backup options later in the year? Another question I have, is why is the staff not offering more 4-star type players? Comparing programs, it appears that Vandy and Louisville have offered more higher rated prospects than Kentucky. I don't mean to bash the coaching staff, I actually wanted clarification on the staff's strategy from someone more in the know. Thanks.
They offer players who THEY think can play and compete in the SEC and in THEIR minds are 4 star players. They couldn't give a flyin' squirrels wings what some service rates them.
That's as plain as it gets.
THis is hard to call at this moment...
1. Years ago we inked Kevin Mitchell early...6'6 kid with no good offers, but we all thought he had the frame to add good weight and be a very good SEC OT. 3 years later, we have crap at OT and Kevin is not in the mix as it appears. The exact same thing could be said for Nord-Eatmon
2. Josh Forrest was a lanky 6'5 kid, who projected at WR or TE...2 years and he looked like a demon a LBer and is my bet to be the opposite pass rushing LB of Dupree coming off the edge...and looks like a keeper.
3. Mansour was supposed to be kicker of lifetime...but reality 3 years later is he can't keep it straight...heck, he can barely keep is straight enough on kickoffs from going out of bounds....then McIntosh comes along as a walk-on and I swear he is as automatic inside of 40 yards and is UK's all leader in FG accuracy. THe kid knocks them right down the middle and rarely squeaks them inside the goal posts.
Individually, you can always be wrong to either direction....but on the whole at this point...only 2 of the 6 kids show any kind of legit offers. So as trends go...this group of kids is going to have more non-SEC calibur level kids than it will have.
Different approach than this one, huh?
Commitments for 2013 already rolling in, battles for others include some well-known opposition More
Hey Minter, I'm still wondering if you are going to get any apologies for the responses you received when asking about the quality/calibre of the kids at this years camps. I'm not sure, but I think the camps are all done aren't they? Never heard much about any high calibre kids attending, nor any showing interest in us. Unfortunately, it seems as the your suspicions were correct.
The staff doesn't consider recruiting rankings or other schools' offers at all in their use of scholarships. They create a "big board," rank their guys the way they see fit, and go from there.
As for 4-star guys, they've offered a bunch. Just haven't been able to break through on many yet.
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It is frustrating to me that Vanderbilt is able to have so much success recruiting with even less tradition and lesser facilities than UK. It seems like Kentucky has some good recruiters on staff, Lexington isn't a bad place to live, and the facilities while not great are decent. Maybe the uncertainty with the coaching staff is making some players reluctant to commit. I think the staff can finish the class strong with some good commits, and hopefully find some playmakers on offense.
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I'd say the UK staff has definitely been more selective and patient with this class. Haven't seen some of the early reaches you may have seen in years past.
Take Tyree Harris. Any other year and UK probably could have offered and had his commitment by now.
Its simple, really. Vandy and UK finished with comparable seasons record-wise, but the difference is there was/is a great vibe around the Vandy program right now from the media, fans, etc. while the general consensus in the world if college football is that Joker and his staff are coaching for their job this year. This program is still struggling to recover from the horrendous end to the season 2 yrs ago after the bowl game in B'ham. Meanwhile, Vandy has a lot of excitement around the program from all angles. To deny that is silly.
Mitchell had a offer to Oregon so......
As for Eatmon and Mansour lets look at it like this. Most kids in the SEC don't really get on the field as starters until their Jr. seasons. Not all but most, and that's a good thing. Some kids are ready early but IMO the more you RS players the better you are long term. At UK we must project how kids will grow and some do and work out and others never do.
Matt Smith didn't have many offers and he's one the best Centers in the SEC. Warford as well.
Mansour may come out of summer as the best damn kicker in the SEC? Mitchell and Eatmon may have stellar seasons? We don't know what's going on inside this team as of today? All three could also be nothing more than backups? But that's fine too.
Like I said Mitchell had a offer to Oregon & IU, Eatmon had some Mac offers, IU, Iowa St, UL & Cuse. So the kid had some talent coming out of HS. Mansour was rated the #18 kicker by Rivals and was recruited by other SEC schools. Scout ranked the #2 kicker & a 4****.
As for the new commits I don't see the issue? IIRC at this same point last year Jordan Watson only had a few offers including UK. It wasn't until after he committed to UK and a big Sr. season that schools like Miami and UT offered. The Boyton kid is 6'7 270-280 and has the frame to carry 300+! And already some BCS offers from some BE schools. And the last time I checked schools like USF, Cuse & UCF put just as many OL in the NFL as any other programs.
From everything I've read on the Ramsey Meyers this kid is just now starting to get noticed. UK was on him early and offered. He did a great job at the camp at UCF and they offered. I'll bet anything before NSD this young man will have more schools offering and we'll be lucky to sign him. Think Gates that signed with UGA.
Reese Phillips is rated as the #25 prospect in Tn. and had another SEC offer(Miss. St). Another kid that was just starting to really get noticed but UK was there early and got the commit. And he's another young man that schools will keep recruiting and by NSD he'll have several more BCS offers.
I love this class so far.
As for Vandy and UL? I could care less!
Actually stealing a recruit away from the likes of Alabama and USC and Michigan, is another thing altogether.
“They’re taking the approach that they can beat anyone on any kid,” Simmons said. “It’s an optimistic mentality and they’re going to lose a lot of kids with that approach but they’re also going to win a couple. I just don’t know if I’ve ever seen a Vanderbilt coaching staff as aggressive in the targets they go after. I think that confidence rubs off on recruits and they can sort of smell that it’s a genuine confidence."
Bottom line is until signing day no one can claim any kid. That happened to Vandy last year and history will probably repeat itself IMHO
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Trying to recover from a bowl game in which our starting QB and leading passer in the SEC didn't play in. Pisses me off that this program is stuck because of one loss in which we didn't have our most important player. Not to mention that we recruited two 4 star QB's that were backing up Hartline and neither guy turned out to be worth a crap. Who could have possibly predicted that. Both looked like they had all the tools coming out. One never got over an injury and the other never learned how to read a defense nor throw an accurate ball. No question in my mind we win that game if Hartline plays. And Hartline was a kid that UK fans hated on constantly. Then he comes out and has a great year and our staff gets no credit for that. Its amazing to me how fans have reacted to Joker. Really bugs the crap out of me.
Good news, he (Joker) has a chance to right the ship on Labor Day Weekend and the weeks that follow. If he and his team show signs of life and significantly progress past last year's performance, he will have a contract extension and the fans will respond. The ball is in his court. When you control your own destiny, what else can you possible ask for?
OL Mitchel might not work out but right now he is the starting RT on UKs depth chart.
I like the UK coaching staffs approach to recruiting. They are taking the approach that getting these kids to camp and having a chance to observe their skills and attitudes will be the deciding factor in offers. They also want these kids to observe the family attitude at UK. IMO If kids are not interested enough to come to UKs camps and check out the coaches and the facilities IMO there is not much chance that you will sign them.
I will also say that if the coaching staffs evaluation isn't better than what they would get from rating services for their program that would be a real strong reason to get a new coaching staff.
One game alone didn't stick us. That team should have one or two more games before the bowl.
I'd say all the schools that didn't offer the 4* QB's predicted their future more accurately.
I agree with everything you said. I just honestly feel like the general vine around the program would be different if we had beaten a coachless Pitt team in the bowl to finish with a winning season. But when the way that season ended is added to the debacle of last season, you get what we have now in terms of the vine around the program and Joker being on the proverbial hot seat.
To the poster above,our facilities are way better than decent..They are some of the best around..That is not the issue at all...
Im so tired of hearing about how terrible our facilities are. Could we use more money to improve and build on what we have? Damn straight. Id LOVE to see some improvements, but listen to what recruits are saying.
Almost every visit we get players talk about how nice our facilities were and how surprised the were when they saw them.
tWhit, the status of this program is not due to simply the Pitt bowl loss. That is but one instance of a long Long LONG series of happenings around this program which began, oh lets say the Ole Miss game in 2010. I'm not gonna detail the list, every UK football fan knows most of the events I'm referring too, they have been rehashed many times.
I'm sure all those who attacked Minter so personally and crudely are preparing their sincere apologies, and will post them anyday now
No doubt there are other problems, but I promise you the general vibe and perception of UK's program right now would be better if we had won that bowl game to finish with a winning record Joker's first year instead of now sitting on 2 straight losing seasons and a young coach (who recruits like) sitting on the hot seat.
Minter chose the day after the first Friday camp to declare that no high prospects were camping at UK. He was told there were numerous days of camp left, including the Sunday Showcase camp(s). Why does he deserve an apology again? Was there a list of campers published somewhere that I don't know about?
The passive-aggressive attitude you've taken on this board is in stark contrast to your attitude on TOS.
There are camps in July...
These guys just need to be ignored. Minter was actually wrong. We had a lot of guys on campus who we wanted to get looks at. The camps are a far stretch better than what we had in the days of Brooks.
The guys who continue to post this stuff really must have miserable lives. I'd feel sorry for them if they were not so unlikeable.
A lot of the worst offenders on this board are posers. I have little doubt that Minter is a poser.
Exactly the reason so many are concerned about the prospects for the O line this season
Hey JDH, great to see you buddy, glad you are a devoted fan and follower!
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