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Silence from the Mike Leach fan club. Guess that first game didn't go to well.
My GF is a WSU student, and we watched it tonight. Simply horrible. The QB frankly sucks. I'm sure they'll get it together, as they face Eastern Washington in their next game. Hopefully they have a new QB to boot.
Keep Calm & Stoops On..
Having to get up @ 4:30 AM for work, I only watched a few minutes of the 1st qtr. While I didn't expect Wazoo to win, I was pretty surprised by the score, and maybe even more by their stat line. Leach had quite a few returning starters (including an experienced QB) from a 4-8 team that was 2 plays away from being 6-6 and in a bowl.
It's WSU, what do you expect? No talent in that program. I feel bad for Leach actually. He should have stayed in the book signing line instead of going to WSU.
Actually they have quite a few draft picks on that team, including a WR that's likely to go in the 1st 2 rounds, and a ton of starters back. I didn't expect them to beat a BYU team that's a bunch of men playing against players much younger but I expected it to be competitive.
Will say it's really hard for most teams against BYU when half their starters are in their mid 20s thanks to their LDS missions and such.
his team went on the road and got thumped by a top 25 (IMO) team
hopefully that is not our story on Sunday
I don't think anyone expected him to waltz into Wazzu and turn it into Bama overnight. And if you did, you probably need to have your head examined. The guy is a good coach. Washington State will be alright. It may take a few years, but they'll be fine with him.
I watched most of it. It must be disappointing to Coug fans, since their offense was pretty hot last year and returned 7 starters, including four of five of their top receivers. Wazzu averaged 422 yards per game last year, including 322 ypg through the air.
BYU is a good team, but not so full of athletes that they could shut down an offense on pure athletic skill. Last night demonstrated that it is execution and not scheme that makes Leach's offense (and any other offense) work.
I didn't see anything on the field from Leach to make me wish he was on UK's sidelines in 2012. The season ticket sales bump (about 3000, IIRC) would have been nice, but I don't think, based on administrative statements, that hiring Leach would have resulted in any facility upgrades at UK like it did at Wazzu.
I can only imagine the fan backlash if Leach had been hired in January and then promptly put up 6 points against UL in the first game.
The 6 pts they scored was a gift. 36 yds of penalties on the first and 42 yds of penalties on the second. Otherwise a shutout. Also saw where his 2013 4 star QB went 11-36 in his first game this year. Welcome back to college fb Mike!
Top 25? Maybe...they beat Ole Miss last year by 1 point in a game that Ole Miss squandered several opportunities to win.
I'm know Leach fan but I do think it's kind of early to judge him after one game? In saying that I was watching one of the college football preview shows yesterday. One of the commentators had been to a WSU practice and was raving about how good their WR's were. They difinetly have some good talent.
Acting as if WSU is the "sisters of the poor" shows a lack of football knowledge. WSU actually has some decent talent in the program and has a couple of draft picks on both sides of the ball.
BYU aint Florida state or Bama either. It's further proof that you must play SOUND football to win. Leach/MUmme system is nothing mroe than a gimmick that has been exposed as such over and over.
BYU is very underrated. They finished the season strong last year after the QB change. Them and Vandy made me several dollars last night. Leach would never get it done in the SEC. His defense would never get it done. It will take a few games for the kids to get used to the offense he runs. They will improve through out the year just don't know how there record will reflect that. In a couple years he will have his offense rolling and put up several points in the pac 12.
Meh. If (and I mean a big if) Joker doesn't pan out, I would still want Mike Leach on the short list when Barnhart starts making phone calls. Last night's game certainly didn't change that. It was his first game with a program that went 4-8 (2-7) in the PAC-10 last season even with talent at some skill positions. Texas Tech actually had a string of bowl appearances before Leach and was 6-5 in the season before he showed up so he had more established to work with.
If he could find a DC to hitch up to his program he'll be in really good shape in a few years.
History, yes. Recent history, no. Paul Wulff went 9-40 with Wazzu in the last 4 seasons in a PAC-10 that you could argue was down across the board. I don't believe they've had a 7 win season since that stretch of 10 win seasons early in the 00s (and haven't been to a bowl game in just as long).
You don't reel off ten seasons of bowls in the Big 12 (who in the last 5 years or so has only been 2nd to the SEC) if you're running "nothing more than a gimmick". But I will concede if he comes to the SEC (whether it's here or elsewhere) that he will have to pick up a DC that will keep that side of the ball at the very least serviceable.
All I know is, if he had put up big numbers and kept it close, some on here would be singing his praises. Because it didnt go so well, they are silent. I wish him nothing but the best, just wish some of our fan base would do the same for our coaching staff.
And I can agree with that. I think when it's all said and done, aside from a few who won't be happy no matter who is at the helm, I think everyone knows that what's best for Kentucky Football is for Joker to succeed. I know I certainly want it because he is one of our own down to the core and has dedicated a lot of his life to this program. I certainly respect that no matter where the chips fall.
But the reality is given the current situation with the program, people are going to talk about other coaches in anticipation of what could happen if things don't go well this season. If done in a tasteful manner I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. There's just a fine line in how you can approach that conversation on a message board without giving the impression that you don't support the current staff. And you're stoking the fire a little bit when you call those people out with a thread like this (just my opinion though).
This post was edited by WildcatBelle 20 months ago
I'm not a Leach lover, but in Leach's system, a big time gunslinging QB is essential, and it's hard to blame the poor Qb play on Leach since the guy isn't even his recruit.
I'm pretty neutral on Leach, although I would get behind him like any other coach if he came to UK.
That said, though, BYU is not a juggernaut in college football, at least not from an athlete standpoint. I don't think anyone would have anticipated that Leach would have taken over an offense, returning a SR QB (with at least some degree of prior success) and 4/5 of its top receivers (7 starters overall), that averaged 422 YPG last season (322 through the air) and put forth the showing (224 total yards) that Wazzu did last night.
Not so much on this board (or maybe not at all here) but on others, it was commonly bandied about that Leach is instant offense, with a simple system that puts even bad quarterbacks on display as world-beaters. It was common to assume that the administration missed a golden opportunity to instantly make UK relevant again, including an instant shot of offense.
I'm not sure, given what Leach had returning production-wise at Wazzu compared to what is returning, production-wise, at UK, what Leach could have done at UK this season. However, the first game at least would not appear to be very pretty.
I think this also highlights the dangers of assuming any coaching change will come with an quick cure to what ails UK football. What we saw last night indicates that even a productive offense coached by a legitimately great offensive mind will struggle when there is a system or staff change.
Look guys Leach's offense is built on gimmicks just like Mumme's. It will never have a long life in a real conference. BYU beat Ole Miss last year by one point! But they blasted WSU 30-6 last night? This with what ESPN commentators said that WSU had NFL prospects on both sides of the ball. I'll admitt I'm know Leach fan and you have to give him time. But for a team that averaged over 400 yards a game last yr. and supposedly hired some offensive genious and gains a total of 224 in it's first game?
Funny how we can say that about WSU but if we say it about Kentucky, it gets negative feedback.
Leach is Leach, pirate and all. Let him get recruits into his system before talking foolish about his ability to coach football. That is the excuse given for Joker so it has to be Leach's excuse, right?
The meanest dog in Taiwan.
The guy (Jeff Tuel) at QB for Wazoo had started 19 games when he took the field against BYU. He didn't play much in an injury filled junior year, but he was honorable mention All PAC 12 as a sophomore when he started all 12 games. It wasn't like Leach was forced to go with a wet behind the ears QB. Like I said, I didn't expect Wazoo to win (I was thinking around a 20 point loss with Wazoo scoring 20+), or maybe even be close, but for them to score only 6 and be under 300 yards of offense was very surprising.
I believe the last time I crunched the numbers I found that 62% of Leach's wins as a Head Coach at Texas Tech came against non-BCS programs.
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