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Huge day for Da Ville

  • Picked up commitments from 4-star LBs Nick Dawson and Keith Brown at the US Army All-American Bowl.

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  • Cards up to No. 38 in the national rankings.

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  • I was just about to post the same thing.... Big for them for sure..

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  • coupled with landing Burgess on Tuesday, they basically landed 3 linebackers in this recruiting class as good if not better than the one great one we were on and wiffed on in the last class (Lamar Dawson)
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  • Surprisingly their 1st 2 4* commits of the year according to rivals. Holliman, the other 4* was a 2011 guy.

    Impressive day for them though.

  • Strong will have an SEC quality D very soon. He has them going in the right direction, talent wise anyway, while we seem to be stuck in our usual quicksand.

    I'm not buying the bull that Strong and UL are running a clean program either. They are cutting some corners to land recruits of this caliber over schools that are known cheaters.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by A_Cat 2 years ago

  • Burgess is a 4 star according to ESPN.

    They've also got 4 Star Army All American Gerald Holliman cleared and ready to begin Spring Practice who will join his former 4 star teammate Andrew Johnson (who started as a true frosh at UL).

    They also landed former 4 star Universtiy of Florida TE Gerald Christianson (scored a big TD against UK this year) and 4 star DB (Clarke) from Florida.

    In all, they've landed 8 Army All Americans in 3 years- Bridgwater, Butler, Christianson, Clarke, Holliman, Johnson, Dawson and Brown.

    Somebody forgot to tell Charlie Strong and his staff that the state of KY is simply too big of a geographic disadvantage to compete.

  • Towles is also a 4* according to ESPN...but I am not going to cherry pick the best rankings of each player from each particular site... Those transfers will have to sit out correct? And also heard they were buried on a fairly average Florida depth chart.

    Strong is a very good recruiter and motivator. He is not a good game manager/coach.

  • WildcatGG24 said... (original post)

    Strong is a very good recruiter and motivator. He is not a good game manager/coach.

    UL fans say the same thing about Cal.

    IMO, talent trumps coaching 85% of the time. Coaching is only a factor when the talent levels are similar.

  • UK HAS to find a way to get to the next level in recruiting, and the bad thing is that we are still 4 - 5 levels below the top tier in the SEC.

  • A_Cat said... (original post)

    UL fans say the same thing about Cal.

    IMO, talent trumps coaching 85% of the time. Coaching is only a factor when the talent levels are similar.

    Tell that to Boise State. I'm sure there last few classes were very similar to Georgia's.

    Also, where did you come up with 85%? Just curious....

    This post was edited by MossCat15 2 years ago

  • MinterWonderlnd said... (original post)

    Burgess is a 4 star according to ESPN.

    They've also got 4 Star Army All American Gerald Holliman cleared and ready to begin Spring Practice who will join his former 4 star teammate Andrew Johnson (who started as a true frosh at UL).

    They also landed former 4 star Universtiy of Florida TE Gerald Christianson (scored a big TD against UK this year) and 4 star DB (Clarke) from Florida.

    In all, they've landed 8 Army All Americans in 3 years- Bridgwater, Butler, Christianson, Clarke, Holliman, Johnson, Dawson and Brown.

    Somebody forgot to tell Charlie Strong and his staff that the state of KY is simply too big of a geographic disadvantage to compete.

    I knew you would be here to beat your red drum, and you didn't disappoint.

  • A_Cat said... (original post)

    UL fans say the same thing about Cal.

    IMO, talent trumps coaching 85% of the time. Coaching is only a factor when the talent levels are similar.

    Quite different in football than in basketball.

    Of course you want as much talent as possible...but look at schools like Texas, Florida, Georgia in recent years, OSU this season...evidence is there.

  • Too bad they wont finish as Strong as their coach. He will bolt as soon as a big school calls.

  • We are just falling further and further behind. UL picked up 2 Fla. transfers, one was rated number 2 TE in country. Thank aobut it , we have a high school team in state, ranked #1-5 in natl. rankings. Most feel that they have about 4-5 guys who are heavily recruited, big time offers. Most feel we are longshot with any of them and the best 2-3 we have no chance. This is no way to run the in state program trying to compete in the SEC much less try to out recruit your neighbor in a broken BE conference. Ky offers SEC schedule, exposure.

    You know what it shows is that we have a staff that is not comfortable in getting involved in some of these difference maker types. We don't hire guy like Strong, guys who flat out get after recruiting. We have the good ole crew who have hung around Lexington for years, old players who recruit MAC-Conf. USA kids and expect them to beat UL or much less your SEC opponents.

    We don't get it, our admin. doesn't get it or they would hold this staff more accountable. It is all about recruits and talent. Vandy is getting it done by hiring a staff that is getting into homes, not settling. Why does UL get UF transfers and get talent in N. Carolina. They recruit like they have a purpose and they recruit like all the great programs do. They know this is number 1, number 2, number 3, number 4 in teams being good. UL gets transfers from Fl because Strong had relationship while he was there. What about some of these kids who chose other schools, none transfer here.

    We need to realize that we are falling so far behind personnel wise that we may not beat UL or Vandy in a lot of years. We just are not recruiting well enough to compete. Last year's class was not good enough, 2 years ago was not, 3-4 years ago classes couldn't have competed at Murray St.

    Just sickening and sad that this program goes downward every day, this Feb is another dagger to go along with what we have seen as far as personnel. Until UK steps up and makes a concerted big boy effort to recruit better players than the ugliness of our last few season will continue. We settle and the staff make excuses and say "Trust US" we know what we are doing and we can evaluate. The look of the last 2 years on the field and the looks of our commits than I wouldn't trust them to win 3 games next year.
    IMO

  • We have to put more of an emphasis on the big targets. We need to camp out in some of these kids backyard. And there is no way that UL is playing things above board, I just don't believe it.

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  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    We are just falling further and further behind. UL picked up 2 Fla. transfers, one was rated number 2 TE in country. Thank aobut it , we have a high school team in state, ranked #1-5 in natl. rankings. Most feel that they have about 4-5 guys who are heavily recruited, big time offers. Most feel we are longshot with any of them and the best 2-3 we have no chance. This is no way to run the in state program trying to compete in the SEC much less try to out recruit your neighbor in a broken BE conference. Ky offers SEC schedule, exposure.

    You know what it shows is that we have a staff that is not comfortable in getting involved in some of these difference maker types. We don't hire guy like Strong, guys who flat out get after recruiting. We have the good ole crew who have hung around Lexington for years, old players who recruit MAC-Conf. USA kids and expect them to beat UL or much less your SEC opponents.

    We don't get it, our admin. doesn't get it or they would hold this staff more accountable. It is all about recruits and talent. Vandy is getting it done by hiring a staff that is getting into homes, not settling. Why does UL get UF transfers and get talent in N. Carolina. They recruit like they have a purpose and they recruit like all the great programs do. They know this is number 1, number 2, number 3, number 4 in teams being good. UL gets transfers from Fl because Strong had relationship while he was there. What about some of these kids who chose other schools, none transfer here.

    We need to realize that we are falling so far behind personnel wise that we may not beat UL or Vandy in a lot of years. We just are not recruiting well enough to compete. Last year's class was not good enough, 2 years ago was not, 3-4 years ago classes couldn't have competed at Murray St.

    Just sickening and sad that this program goes downward every day, this Feb is another dagger to go along with what we have seen as far as personnel. Until UK steps up and makes a concerted big boy effort to recruit better players than the ugliness of our last few season will continue. We settle and the staff make excuses and say "Trust US" we know what we are doing and we can evaluate. The look of the last 2 years on the field and the looks of our commits than I wouldn't trust them to win 3 games next year. IMO

    Yeah we may as well just stop playing football or move to the CUSA.

  • Cobby,
    Don't be like the UL board who say this about Cal, they are doing things under the table, they have World Wide Wes who I guess we can call Hurtt their WWW.

    The good coaches know the number 1 thing is talent, Saban said this when he took over at Bama, coaching is the most overrated thing. Just look at a UK BB with Tubby-BCG, talent was inferior, Tubby was good x and o's coach, bring in Cal and we competing in FF"s and NC"s. It is about talent. UK personnel wise is horrible and these coaches continue to stay status quo, let SB not recruit for years.

    It is not about faciliities, weight rooms,. It is about relationships, having a purpose, working your ass off. Being not afraid to get in the fray. Vandy brings in great recruiting head coach who hires great recruiters, recruits to SEC-academics. You work hard and you get some of these kids. Strong knows the deal, he has hired great recruiters, he has commits who have been offered by Miami, big schools to come to play in a terrible conference with maybe in a year or so from now an automatic BCS invite. That is being a good recruiter, working your but off.

    We are in a world of hurt for a lot of years so we might as well sit back and enjoy this mess.
    IMO

  • oh, please. You can't compare a know quantity that cheats(HURTT) to WWW.

    And yes, Joke knows we have to recruit better hence the reason he has let Brooks coaches go in droves now and bringing in better recruiters. I agree we still have to improve our recruiting more but the classes under Joker have been better than what Brooks brought in the 2 years prior; and those kids are/were our Jr & Sr class.

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  • He let those coaches go 2 years ago in some cases for goodness sake. If Joker is so worried about recruiting than why has he laid an egg in each of his recruiting classes and 2 during his CIW gig. Not sure they have the know how or want to to get it done. His comments last year about "Trust us" falls on deaf ears when you see the results and offer sheets of who we have coming in and who we are competing against, look at the train wreck the last 2 seasons coaching.

    I think until we just get so embarrassed about losing to UL, Vandy, etc.. than we will continue to say "it doesn't mean anything, rankings mean squat" Hurtt is dirty, UL must be doing something. Makes us feel better to do this when you can't come up with any good things to offer about this UK staff. Hell we aren't in the top 50 in rivals, an SEC school should be thrown out. Personally I think it is going to take some embarrassing losses to UL and Vandy to make this AD see the light. Pretty evident he does not care how we recruit or how we play on the field. It is not getting the job done in any league. We are getting our head handed to us by every SEC school and our biggest in state rival, who has about 5 4 star recruits and transfers in past week. Yeah I feel great about future with the results on field and recruiting. Can't wait
    IMO

  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    He let those coaches go 2 years ago in some cases for goodness sake. If Joker is so worried about recruiting than why has he laid an egg in each of his recruiting classes and 2 during his CIW gig. Not sure they have the know how or want to to get it done. His comments last year about "Trust us" falls on deaf ears when you see the results and offer sheets of who we have coming in and who we are competing against, look at the train wreck the last 2 seasons coaching.

    I think until we just get so embarrassed about losing to UL, Vandy, etc.. than we will continue to say "it doesn't mean anything, rankings mean squat" Hurtt is dirty, UL must be doing something. Makes us feel better to do this when you can't come up with any good things to offer about this UK staff. Hell we aren't in the top 50 in rivals, an SEC school should be thrown out. Personally I think it is going to take some embarrassing losses to UL and Vandy to make this AD see the light. Pretty evident he does not care how we recruit or how we play on the field. It is not getting the job done in any league. We are getting our head handed to us by every SEC school and our biggest in state rival, who has about 5 4 star recruits and transfers in past week. Yeah I feel great about future with the results on field and recruiting. Can't wait IMO

    We have lost to Vandy and UL how many times in the past 6 years?

    And let's get this straight, we lost to UL because A. A true freshman couldn't haul in a easy pass and B, Our OL was not healthy and we had no run game. Add to that our DB's where getting beat like they did all season. See New DB Coach. A few 4**** kids doesn't make UL Bama. We beat teams with way more talent in the past few years, see UGA, LSU, FSU, Clemson, USC, Auburn, and even UT has more high 3 and 4 star talent.

    Plus if it takes going down the road UL has to get those 4 star kids I'll pass. It will come back on them, it always does. Hurtt is so deep in dirt and when the NCAA gets finished with the UM deal he may be out anyways. And yes Hurtt is the one getting the bulk of those Fla kids. I know the one LB is from Nc. so no need to point that out.

    The Vandy game was bad but sometimes it what it is. Hell our 07 team only beat Vandy by 7. It happens, it's the SEC.

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  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    He let those coaches go 2 years ago in some cases for goodness sake. If Joker is so worried about recruiting than why has he laid an egg in each of his recruiting classes and 2 during his CIW gig. Not sure they have the know how or want to to get it done. His comments last year about "Trust us" falls on deaf ears when you see the results and offer sheets of who we have coming in and who we are competing against, look at the train wreck the last 2 seasons coaching.

    I think until we just get so embarrassed about losing to UL, Vandy, etc.. than we will continue to say "it doesn't mean anything, rankings mean squat" Hurtt is dirty, UL must be doing something. Makes us feel better to do this when you can't come up with any good things to offer about this UK staff. Hell we aren't in the top 50 in rivals, an SEC school should be thrown out. Personally I think it is going to take some embarrassing losses to UL and Vandy to make this AD see the light. Pretty evident he does not care how we recruit or how we play on the field. It is not getting the job done in any league. We are getting our head handed to us by every SEC school and our biggest in state rival, who has about 5 4 star recruits and transfers in past week. Yeah I feel great about future with the results on field and recruiting. Can't wait IMO

    You are plain wrong. Joker and staff have signed one class as he has been HC. It is common knowledge that Brooks had final say on offers and recruiting assignments until he retired. The 07-09 classes fall on him moreso than anyone...and they are the large reasons of struggle the last couple of years.

    Here are the guys under Jokers watch as HC.

    All Offers were reported at one time or another…does not mean they still stand/stood
    2011 Class (*= Played as True Freshman)

    Caffey: Ark,Illinois,MD,MN,MS,Purdue,Scar,Vandy,WF,WVU
    *Clemons: Cincy,MD,MissSt,NW,UCF,Vandy,WF
    Cobbins: Michigan, Tulane
    *Coleman: Duke, Vandy
    Collins: Alabama,Auburn,FSU,UL,Miami,MS,MissSt,Tenn,TAMU,USC,Vandy
    Cunningham: Ark,MissSt
    *Dixon: UL
    *Dupree: Auburn, GT
    Elliott: Michigan, Iowa State, KU
    Love: Duke, KU, Vandy
    *Lowery: Illinois
    *Miller: UL, Purdue, Tennessee
    Paschal: Pitt, NCSt
    Rancifer: ISU,KU,UL,MD,MS,Pitt,TTU,WVu
    *Robinson: UL, MN
    West: Ark, Cincy,UL,PSU,Tenn

    No Major Offers
    *Smith
    *Warren
    *Hall
    *Faulkner
    Forrest
    Huguenin

    Did Not Make it
    Daniel: MD, USF
    Tandy
    Washington: MissSt, UVa

    2012
    Juco Signee
    Kory Brown

    HS
    D. Blaylock: MD, Cincy, Duke, UL
    Z. Blaylock: Duke, MD, Cincy, UL (Believe he has more offers)
    S. Blaylock: Illinois, Indiana
    Chapman: Illinois
    Foster: Tenn, WKU
    Glenn: MissSt
    Legree: USF
    Mobley: MissSt
    Newton: Indiana, Purdue, MS
    Pearson: Alabama, Ark,Cincy,Illinois,Indiana,UL,LSU,MS,UNC,Purdue,Stanford,Tenn,Vandy,Wisc
    Sweat: Indiana, Purdue, VaTech?
    Swindle: UL, Vandy,WVu
    Thomas: Cincy, GT, Illinois, UL,NCSt,SCar? Tenn?, Vandy
    Tiller: GT,KU,MissSt,NEB,SCar,
    Towles: Ark, UL, Vandy, Cincy, Illinois
    Watson: Indiana, MissSt, USF,WF,Miami

    No Major Offers Reported
    Graffree(DL) KY [Camped]
    Harris (LB/S) KY [Senior Injury]
    TJ Jones (OL) SC [Camped]
    Myers (OL) OH [Camped]
    Reed (DB) IND [Camped]
    Ross (DL) KY
    Toth (OL) IND [Camped]

    All of the committed guys with no major offers have been seen very closely by the staff...and they were all early commitments, so I cannot say it was out of desperation that they got these guys...they believe they are SEC material and it is their jobs on the line.

  • Jared Bonshire

    Louisville is right now getting more talented players on campus, there is no doubt in my mind.

  • Jared Bonshire said... (original post)

    Louisville is right now getting more talented players on campus, there is no doubt in my mind.

    Some yes, but not like some are making it. Out of a 25 player class I would say 5 or 6 fall into that category.

  • You would have to be blindly loyal or wear blue glasses to say UL is not cleaning our clocks, not even close. facts or facts, don't let them get in the way of being an agenda driven gloss. No one in their right mind would say UK is recruiting close to UL and I won't even compare it to our SEC brethern. They are getting guys that Miami wants, we are getting guys that Miami of Ohio wants. Facts and offer sheets don't lie. Need to give it up about these so called classes Joker has been recruiting. S. Carolina named their score, Fl beat us unmerciful with their worse team, Vandy ring a bell. UL beats us with a team that was not very good. Come on and give this charade up, UK is getting killed in recruiting and have been for the last 4 years.

    I have no agenda except I want to see UK put their big boy pants on and recruit personnel that can compete. I want to see UK get in the fray and quit all the excuse making that we "can't compete or guys go to Bama or LSU" UL is in a conference that will probably lose their BCS ticket and we are getting killed by them. They are getting commits that Fla,Miami want. They are in on great players. Strong is not some meek pushover when it comes to recruiting. No sheepish smiles coming from him ala Spurrier/Joker handshake. He recruits like he belongs and it shows. Same way Vandy is doing it. These teams and coaches are tired of being looked down upon and seen as a fly. I wish UK would get mad and embarrassed and do the same thing.
    IMO

  • Jared Bonshire said... (original post)

    Louisville is right now getting more talented players on campus, there is no doubt in my mind.

    True, but remember a "campus" includes classrooms and you have to perform there in order to get on the field. You also have to keep out of trouble on and off campus and the more "stars" a HS player has the LESS LIKELY he has done all three of these things UNDER SCRUTINY as they will have to in college. The roster that makes it TO THE FIELD is the one we will have to play, NOT the printed roster! Time will tell...