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  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    We are just falling further and further behind. UL picked up 2 Fla. transfers, one was rated number 2 TE in country.

    And Kansas St. hauled in Bryce Bown from UT. Brown was the nation's top RB in his class, and the nation's top player overall by several people. Brown played sparingly and spent this season buried on the KSU depth chart, and has reportedly left the team.

    Alex Smith was the nation's #11 TE....and of course transfered to Georgia St....where he couldn't get on the field.

    Willy Korn was the nation's #5 QB.....wound up his playing career at North Greenville College

    Mitch Mustain was the nation's #2 QB....wound up being a clip board holder at USC.

    Starr Jackson was the nation's #5 QB....transfered from Bama to Georgia St....wound up holding the clip board before leaving after 1 season.

    I could make a huge list, but my point is that picking up guys who haven't produced at their first stop don't interest or concern me much.

  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    They are getting guys that Miami wants, we are getting guys that Miami of Ohio wants. Facts and offer sheets don't lie.

    I could have quoted everything that Real Deal 2 said in the entire post, but this pretty much summarizes it. Some of you guys are fired up because Cody Core, Troy commit(!!) is going to visit us. Unless he picks Arkansas State instead. Some look at a one minute video and say "wow, what a player". But no one in the SEC even notices or is even interested. It would be laughable, except that it makes me sad. I love UK, I love college football, I love Kentucky's football program. But we are heading for the bottom of the ocean at a rapid rate.

    Why can't we ever solve the football problem?

  • MossCat15 said... (original post)

    I knew you would be here to beat your red drum, and you didn't disappoint.

    How's he wrong?

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  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    He let those coaches go 2 years ago in some cases for goodness sake. If Joker is so worried about recruiting than why has he laid an egg in each of his recruiting classes and 2 during his CIW gig. Not sure they have the know how or want to to get it done. His comments last year about "Trust us" falls on deaf ears when you see the results and offer sheets of who we have coming in and who we are competing against, look at the train wreck the last 2 seasons coaching.

    I think until we just get so embarrassed about losing to UL, Vandy, etc.. than we will continue to say "it doesn't mean anything, rankings mean squat" Hurtt is dirty, UL must be doing something. Makes us feel better to do this when you can't come up with any good things to offer about this UK staff. Hell we aren't in the top 50 in rivals, an SEC school should be thrown out. Personally I think it is going to take some embarrassing losses to UL and Vandy to make this AD see the light. Pretty evident he does not care how we recruit or how we play on the field. It is not getting the job done in any league. We are getting our head handed to us by every SEC school and our biggest in state rival, who has about 5 4 star recruits and transfers in past week. Yeah I feel great about future with the results on field and recruiting. Can't wait IMO

    You are really going to lay the piss poor Jr & Sr class on Joker while he was the HCIW? That shows your knowledge of the recruiting enough said. I'll ignore everything else from there on. And if you don't like the Fr & Soph classes overall then you are missing the boat. This years class is full of the much needed DL/OL that the SEC relies on too and they don't generally get as high *.

    Go toot that UL horn someone else cause I'm tired of that BS. Charlie had a mediocre two seasons at UL on the field despite his 'wonderul' classes that are basically even with us for the star lookers out there.

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  • IIRC, didn't several of UL's more highly ranked kids not make it to campus last year?

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  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    I have no agenda except

    Nope that is a lie.

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  • No lie here bud. My only agenda is seeing UK winning some recruiting battles against Clemson, Miami, Ill. Fl and other big time schools that UL secured. My only agenda is seeing UK try just a little bit to put their best foot forward and recruit like an SEC school or should I say a Big East school. I am tired of seeing other teams pass us by while we sit here in quicksand, Vandy and the other SEC schools are in the passing lane and we are in the right hand lane with blinders on looking real stupid. I could care less about who the coach or if charles manson was the coach as long as we compete and put our best foot forward. Our coaches have this burned in trait that they can't compete against the big boys, so let's steal a Troy recruit. Give me Franklin at Vandy or Strong who don't take beat downs smiling and gawk at midfield like we have seen from some of our coaches. Frankin says the days of Vandy not getting into homes and not being the laughingstock are over. Those days are over. We will continue to sputter around and it will be impossible to get back, we are recruiting in regards to SEC to our brethern to be 14 out 14. We are recruiting against our in state rival the same. If you like this look than you have come to the right place which is status quo UK football. I am hoping the embarrassment will one day force us to take another approach, that is my only agenda I promise.
    IMO

  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    No lie here bud. My only agenda is seeing UK winning some recruiting battles against Clemson, Miami, Ill. Fl and other big time schools that UL secured. My only agenda is seeing UK try just a little bit to put their best foot forward and recruit like an SEC school or should I say a Big East school. I am tired of seeing other teams pass us by while we sit here in quicksand, Vandy and the other SEC schools are in the passing lane and we are in the right hand lane with blinders on looking real stupid. I could care less about who the coach or if charles manson was the coach as long as we compete and put our best foot forward. Our coaches have this burned in trait that they can't compete against the big boys, so let's steal a Troy recruit. Give me Franklin at Vandy or Strong who don't take beat downs smiling and gawk at midfield like we have seen from some of our coaches. Frankin says the days of Vandy not getting into homes and not being the laughingstock are over. Those days are over. We will continue to sputter around and it will be impossible to get back, we are recruiting in regards to SEC to our brethern to be 14 out 14. We are recruiting against our in state rival the same. If you like this look than you have come to the right place which is status quo UK football. I am hoping the embarrassment will one day force us to take another approach, that is my only agenda I promise.
    IMO

    I actually agree with most of what you keep saying. The thing is, though, I don't want or need to read it over and over again in every thread. You have made your point. Move on.

    I would recommend that you take the time to go to each of our commitments' profile page on 247, Rivals and Scout and take a look at who has offered each of them. It is better than you think. We all want recruiting to get better, trust me, but it is improving a lot over the last couple of yrs. We need to do a LOT better, but its not like we're recruiting as poorly as the pre-2010 years.

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  • mjdotson said... (original post)

    I actually agree with most of what you keep saying. The thing is, though, I don't want or need to read it over and over again in every thread. You have made your point. Move on.

    I would recommend that you take the time to go to each of our commitments' profile page on 247, Rivals and Scout and take a look at who has offered each of them. It is better than you think. We all want recruiting to get better, trust me, but it is improving a lot over the last couple of yrs. We need to do a LOT better, but its not like we're recruiting as poorly as the pre-2010 years.

    Rack.

    Some of you act like we aren't bringing in anyone and that we are only going after 2* kids. We have a solid class and fact is in the SEC we can have a top 30 class and still end up last. That's just how it is. We are improving depth and still need more game changers for sure but don't botch in every thread about the same bs over and over.

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  • And screw Strong. Over freaking hyped coach playing in a pathetic conference against creme puffs and struggles to be a .500 coach. In that conference with their schedule they should win 8+ every year minimum. Stop pretending he is Bear Bryant, jimmy Johnson, or Nick Saban cause he isn't.

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  • Here's the deal:

    - Kentucky is a state that is probably in the bottom 10% of the nation as far as producing talent

    - Joker has hired most of his college buds that, while they may be decent position coaches, are limited to the region which they can recruit

    - UK is the only SEC school who has two position coaches that have never coached at a level above the HS ranks

    Not trying to beat a dead horse, but outside of Tee Martin, we are severely limited by our staff as far as recruiting is concerned. Sure, we have guys on the team who can recruit Kentucky and some of Georgia, but we just don't have the guys who can sell this program outside of the state. Nearly everyone on this staff comes from a UK program that has, for the most part, been a cellar dwellar for years and years and now many of you guys expect them to start bringing in talent like we see at the other schools. Here's a rude awakening: it is not going to happen.

    Sorry to be a downer, but some of you guys with the blinders on are missing the big picture altogether. We will never, ever recruit at even the mid-SEC level with the guys we have on this staff - reason being, they have no ties outside of the state other than Indiana and Georgia. As long as our recruiting battles are against the like of IU, UI, and UL, it will be impossible for us to compete at a level where we could hope for anything above six wins in a season.

  • Strong and UL are making UK irrelevant. He will have UL routinely playing in BCS bowls and continue to sign better and better classes. He proves Jokers excuses about recruiting issues are just lame. UL will absolutely wax UK next year and every year moving forward.

  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    We are just falling further and further behind. UL picked up 2 Fla. transfers, one was rated number 2 TE in country. Thank aobut it , we have a high school team in state, ranked #1-5 in natl. rankings. Most feel that they have about 4-5 guys who are heavily recruited, big time offers. Most feel we are longshot with any of them and the best 2-3 we have no chance. This is no way to run the in state program trying to compete in the SEC much less try to out recruit your neighbor in a broken BE conference. Ky offers SEC schedule, exposure.

    You know what it shows is that we have a staff that is not comfortable in getting involved in some of these difference maker types. We don't hire guy like Strong, guys who flat out get after recruiting. We have the good ole crew who have hung around Lexington for years, old players who recruit MAC-Conf. USA kids and expect them to beat UL or much less your SEC opponents.

    We don't get it, our admin. doesn't get it or they would hold this staff more accountable. It is all about recruits and talent. Vandy is getting it done by hiring a staff that is getting into homes, not settling. Why does UL get UF transfers and get talent in N. Carolina. They recruit like they have a purpose and they recruit like all the great programs do. They know this is number 1, number 2, number 3, number 4 in teams being good. UL gets transfers from Fl because Strong had relationship while he was there. What about some of these kids who chose other schools, none transfer here.

    We need to realize that we are falling so far behind personnel wise that we may not beat UL or Vandy in a lot of years. We just are not recruiting well enough to compete. Last year's class was not good enough, 2 years ago was not, 3-4 years ago classes couldn't have competed at Murray St.

    Just sickening and sad that this program goes downward every day, this Feb is another dagger to go along with what we have seen as far as personnel. Until UK steps up and makes a concerted big boy effort to recruit better players than the ugliness of our last few season will continue. We settle and the staff make excuses and say "Trust US" we know what we are doing and we can evaluate. The look of the last 2 years on the field and the looks of our commits than I wouldn't trust them to win 3 games next year. IMO

    No one wants to hear this on here. You had better be quite or the cheerleaders will call you names, call you stupid, or call you a UL fan.

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  • Real Deal 2 said... (original post)

    He let those coaches go 2 years ago in some cases for goodness sake. If Joker is so worried about recruiting than why has he laid an egg in each of his recruiting classes and 2 during his CIW gig. Not sure they have the know how or want to to get it done. His comments last year about "Trust us" falls on deaf ears when you see the results and offer sheets of who we have coming in and who we are competing against, look at the train wreck the last 2 seasons coaching.

    I think until we just get so embarrassed about losing to UL, Vandy, etc.. than we will continue to say "it doesn't mean anything, rankings mean squat" Hurtt is dirty, UL must be doing something. Makes us feel better to do this when you can't come up with any good things to offer about this UK staff. Hell we aren't in the top 50 in rivals, an SEC school should be thrown out. Personally I think it is going to take some embarrassing losses to UL and Vandy to make this AD see the light. Pretty evident he does not care how we recruit or how we play on the field. It is not getting the job done in any league. We are getting our head handed to us by every SEC school and our biggest in state rival, who has about 5 4 star recruits and transfers in past week. Yeah I feel great about future with the results on field and recruiting. Can't wait
    IMO

    Why is this clown still allowed to post here?

  • All I want is some WR's that will catch the damned ball when it hits them in the hands, and some good depth at OL & DL. We get those kinds of players, we win more than we lose. But those are the types of players we need.

  • Whitaker568 said... (original post)


    And let's get this straight, we lost to UL because A. A true freshman couldn't haul in a easy pass and B, Our OL was not healthy and we had no run game. Add to that our DB's where getting beat like they did all season.

    You know it was a true freshman for UL that beat us at QB right?

  • rob65 said... (original post)

    Here's the deal:

    - Kentucky is a state that is probably in the bottom 10% of the nation as far as producing talent

    - Joker has hired most of his college buds that, while they may be decent position coaches, are limited to the region which they can recruit

    - UK is the only SEC school who has two position coaches that have never coached at a level above the HS ranks

    Not trying to beat a dead horse, but outside of Tee Martin, we are severely limited by our staff as far as recruiting is concerned. Sure, we have guys on the team who can recruit Kentucky and some of Georgia, but we just don't have the guys who can sell this program outside of the state. Nearly everyone on this staff comes from a UK program that has, for the most part, been a cellar dwellar for years and years and now many of you guys expect them to start bringing in talent like we see at the other schools. Here's a rude awakening: it is not going to happen.

    Sorry to be a downer, but some of you guys with the blinders on are missing the big picture altogether. We will never, ever recruit at even the mid-SEC level with the guys we have on this staff - reason being, they have no ties outside of the state other than Indiana and Georgia. As long as our recruiting battles are against the like of IU, UI, and UL, it will be impossible for us to compete at a level where we could hope for anything above six wins in a season.

    We are not recruiting Kentucky. That is the real problem. The lie that Kentucky doesnt play good enough football to put kids in the SEC is getting old. The UK coaching staff should be living with these great "Kentucky" HS teams and the players they produce. The UK coaching staff should also look to see what those schools are doing that makes their football teams so good and export it around the state.. No UK football coach since Curci was involved with Kentucky HS football.

    Put on football clinics free to the states football coaches. Teach them what they need to teach their kids about nutrition and strength training. IMHO, their is a lot of slacking going on at UK and the committment to Kentucky.

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  • bigbluemist said... (original post)

    You know it was a true freshman for UL that beat us at QB right?

    What the hell does have to with anything? Our DB's did a "TERRIBLE" job in pass coverage in that game. Did you watch it? I could have completed passes vs that group on that day. Again, see new DB Coach.

    Speaking of that freshman QB.

    Max Smith was 84-153 819 yds, 4 tds & 4 ints. in what, 3 starts and some mop up duty after Newton?

    Bridgewater - 191-296 2,100 yds, 14 tds & 12 ints in 11 starts.

    IMO had Smith started 11 games he would have very similar numbers. And lets not act as if throwing against BE defenses is on par with the SEC.

  • mrhotdice said... (original post)

    No one wants to hear this on here. You had better be quite or the cheerleaders will call you names, call you stupid, or call you a UL fan.

    Don't forget this one Hop...

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  • Whitaker568 said... (original post)

    What the hell does have to with anything? Our DB's did a "TERRIBLE" job in pass coverage in that game. Did you watch it? I could have completed passes vs that group on that day. Again, see new DB Coach.

    Speaking of that freshman QB.

    Max Smith was 84-153 819 yds, 4 tds & 4 ints. in what, 3 starts and some mop up duty after Newton?

    Bridgewater - 191-296 2,100 yds, 14 tds & 12 ints in 11 starts.

    IMO had Smith started 11 games he would have very similar numbers. And lets not act as if throwing against BE defenses is on par with the SEC.

    You blamed a fresh WR for UK losing. Maybe blame another fresh QB for having something to do with it. One fr got it done....one did not.

    Fairly simple. And yes....I saw a UK defense pretty much allow him stand in the pocket all night and with no pressure. Maybe take a look at Minter that game?

  • Where would you rather go?

    The school that can lose to FIU and Marshall and still come within a game of the Orange Bowl or the school that is going to continually face 9-10 programs each year that will place in the top 25 (the majority of them in the Top 15) of national recruiting rankings each season?

    Kentucky will never overcome the talent gap in the SEC. They will never be able to out scheme it either. You are what your record says you are: a middling, mediocre program in a power conference. Kentucky once had a staff made up of 7 future College and Pro Football Hall of Famers...and they got fired.

  • bigcat65 said... (original post)

    Strong and UL are making UK irrelevant. He will have UL routinely playing in BCS bowls and continue to sign better and better classes. He proves Jokers excuses about recruiting issues are just lame. UL will absolutely wax UK next year and every year moving forward.

    When has Joker ever given an excuse about recruiting? Please name one time.

    We know your feelings about the subject. But I hate it when people make up shit.

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  • tommy said... (original post)

    Don't forget this one Hop...

    Thats them, I don't allow misinformed people to influence me. I have been called names before by a lot better but being insulted and called a UL fan only makes me mad. If they want CP to be a rah rah site for all things UK, they had better get rid of me because only a fool would think UK can do no wrong. HaHa

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  • mrhotdice said... (original post)

    Thats them, I don't allow misinformed people to influence me. I have been called names before by a lot better but being insulted and called a UL fan only makes me mad. If they want CP to be a rah rah site for all things UK, they had better get rid of me because only a fool would think UK can do no wrong. HaHa

    We've already heard you admit that you don't follow football recruiting very closely, so your opinion really doesn't matter. . . by your own admission. . .

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  • BG631 said... (original post)

    We've already heard you admit that you don't follow football recruiting very closely, so your opinion really doesn't matter. . . by your own admission. . .

    Actually you never follow recruiting. . . here is your quote. . .

    "Living in Taiwan I never follow recruiting but I do like to see who from Kentucky goes to UK."

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