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  • Per Matt Jones and Ryan Lymond on their radio show this morning, Matt recently sat down and interviewed Tee Martin. Matt said that Tee was one of the most captivating and motivating individuals that he'd ever met. Said he is filled with the "juice" that Joker talks about wanting his staff to have. Can see why kids are so drawn to him.

    Now the bad part- Tee is very frustrated with the Game Day Experience and atmosphere at Commonwealth Stadium. How frustrated? He went to Joker Phillips and told him that he felt it would be a bad idea to bring in recruits that they really want for home football games due to how bad the atmosphere is compared to what they will see when they visit other schools. Instead, he feels he has to bring those kids to Lexington for home basketball games.

    A lot of people have complained about how sub par of a job UK does with regards to the "Game Day Experience" from a fans point of view, ie no excitement, energy, bad music, lousy band, ect...Other fans have scoffed and said it's fine. If Tee Martin thinks it's putting UK at a competitive disadvantage, that speaks volumes. Matt said that Tee is more frustrated with this part of UK than anything else, and doesn't really feel it's being properly addressed.

    Now, UK can't control who wins or loses. They can't control the type of recruiting class that Joker will sign each year. But I sure as heck think they can fully control the level of dedication towards making Gameday at Commonwealth as electric and exciting as competing schools. According to Tee, this has a HUGE impact on recruits. We have to fix it.

  • Honestly, and counter to my negative stereotype on here, I think Jones is full of ish regarding this and is just stirring the pot. Tee just said on Tom Leach's show that the atmosphere in the stadium is based on the team's performance. He said that if UK is playing to get into a BCS bowl or an SEC championship, then the atmosphere will be better. He said that the fans can't lead in changing the atmosphere, that the team has to do it.

    Hopefully, the video and ribbon boards will help some. The band is just a lost cause.

  • I hope you're right. But would he flat out tell a bold faced, indicting lie over the air like that? He know's the UK brass is listening.

  • The improved audio & video should help out a lot, as opposed to the oversized TV screen and distorted/muffled boombox they were using. There is only so much the school itself can do to improve the gameday experience. What could they do? Shoot off more smoke and fireworks? Play cooler music? No recruit is going to choose your school b/c of pyrotechnics and how much cool music you play during timeouts or in warmups. They will, however, be much more inclined to choose your school if the FANS get off (and stay off) their ass during the game, get really into what is happening (not just on a big play), and actually stick around from start to finish.

    Sure, the school could do a little more to improve the aesthetics (i.e. add more greenery around the field and stadium, give the place an overall facelift, and some other smoke & mirrors type of things), but that's what they're doing with the stadium upgrades that are being done this offseason. The rest of it is on the fans to stop with the "Meh, we're a basketball school, so sit down up there....I can't see..." mentality. Go to a home game at most any SEC school, other than Vandy, and then go to UK. The in-game experience between us and the rest of the league (sans Vandy, of course) is night and day.

  • I doubt UK's brass are listening to Mags' show.

  • As DACats said, I think the video boards, ribbon boards and sound system will help; how could they not?

    As for the energy from the crowd, Tee is right. When UK is playing well, the crowd is great; when they're not, it's like sitting in a Catholic mass. Also, UK football crowds have the tendency to fall back into the "Here we go again" mode and wait & see what's going to happen instead of taking the initiative to get pumped up. Of course, it's not surprising that Lexington was just selected as the most sedentary city in America by Men's Health magazine. Nevertheless, the football team has got to play well from start to finish if they want the crowd to be loud. Too many times the past couple years, they got off to a slow start and didn't "get" the crowd right away.

  • DACats86 said... (original post)

    I doubt UK's brass are listening to Mags' show.

    If you don't think the UKAA at least hears about what is being said by it's brightest young couch on the most popolar UK outlet then you've got blinders on.

    The stadium upgrades this year are an attempt to improve the experience at CW snd now it's up to us the fans to do our part. UK fball fans are some of the most loyal yet apathetic fans in the nation. We are a strange bunch!!!

  • Couldn't agree more! Maybe we need a larger crowd behind the bench cussing players and coaches and telling them how much they suck. Perhaps larger beach balls to bat around to show the team how disinterested we actually are. I think Cobb was eluding to what Tee commented on last year when he tried to inspire fans to do the "One heart beat" cheer which never got off the ground. Hmmmmmmm maybe he would have stuck around. From a true blue UK fan who spent his childhood in the Ohio State stadium, I know all of us fans can do much much better to inspire the team. We say we are a basketball school and thats fine, but we are in a football conference and most of these schools know which sport brings in the bucks. We can and should do a much better job supporting our wonderful football team if we want to elevate its success.

  • At the Bama's and LSU's of the world, they don't have to do too much to get their fans riled up, given how rabid their fans are about their football. But at UK, our fans need some help getting fired up as well as needing some education (read: please be loud when UK is on defense, but quiet as UK approaches the LOS on offense). So I'd like to see the athletics dept. pay more attention to detail on gameday atmosphere and really ramp that up. Would be a good time to do it with the new video boards, ribbon boards, and sound system.

    The student section should be the starting point, in my opinion, as that section needs to be better (both in terms of numbers and volume). Sitting in the UK section at Vaught-Hemingway last year (which is smaller than Commonwealth), I was taken aback by how much better Ole Miss' student section was during the game (despite the fact their fan base was still ultra pissed over the Jax. St. and Vandy games). Again, part of that is cultural, as their fans by and large understand and care about football more. But part of that is also the gameday atmosphere at Ole Miss. They pump rap and rock (music young folks like) loudly over a booming sound system. Mind you, this is at Ole Miss, a place not exactly known for being progressive. And that's just Ole Miss. Watch South Carolina whip their fans into a frenzy before the Gamecocks take the field. The atmosphere at Miss. St. games last year looked electric at times on TV.

    UK needs to brainstorm for ideas, taking input from players, students, music gurus, video gurus, season ticket holders, etc., then coordinate with event production folks to make it flow. At times in the past, music, video, etc. has not flowed together at all (think music playing over the speakers while the band plays the fight song with the team entering the field). Cater to the fans who create the "atmosphere". Come up with a pregame that builds up intensity to the point where the team runs out onto the field (read: scrap the ridiculous spraying the team with smoke from two fire extinguisher canisters). During the game, pump loud, energizing music that college students like (read: less Cotton Eyed Joe and more Jay-Z, et al). Run video board/audio clips encouraging the crowd to get loud when UK is on D (I liked the bells tolling that they did a few years ago). Continue to improve the marching band and lean on them to play music that engages the fans instead of showcasing musical complexity (read: less tribute to Zoro). Run video segments featuring former UK players now in the NFL. Run video segments touting positive UK football history. Remind the cheerleaders that their role is to lead cheers at games, so instead of spending their time on pyramids and the like, come up with something in addition to the spelling of C-A-T-S. Speaking of C-A-T-S, tell the mascot to slow the hell down when doing his so-called push-ups, because the fans can't keep up with him and that whole deal sounds like crap anymore.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Jeremy Grey 3 years ago

  • Honestly, IMO they just need to let Tee (or his wife) choreograph the entire pre-, during-, and post game production. If there's anyone in the entire UK athletic department (other than Cal) that gets "it," it is Tee.

  • I think maybe Tee is hoping the fans can field this one and let the coaches and players focus on the game. Uk is not the gov't and shouldn't be providing the enthusiasm as if it was an entitlement program. Maybe we should have the attitude of what we as fans can do to help the team.

  • I think the fans do their part. Hell, 68K show up every Saturday for a team that last won 8 regular season games ?????????

    I still say and will always say that UK has screwed the pooch not building on the, "We Believe" motto. Anybody remember that before OT verse LSU in 2007? Why not do it before the game and/or the start of the 4th quarter?

    I emailed UK the following season about it and was told that the UKAA did not want to do it anymore because it was for the 2007 team.

    Get ride of the the stupid beach balls and wave. The two fire extinguishers coming out of the tunnel looks cheap. I understand this is what's used for smoke for all teams, but out there by themselves running under a banner, come on.

  • You know now that I think about it there has been a few years where things were a little livelier. Remember in the Mumme days when they would show the fighter jet blowing up the opposing teams mascot? They also seemed to play more upbeat rock music. Somtimes it's 'when' you play music and at what volume rather than what you play. The choreography and timing are horrible.

  • You are going to hear more stuff like this from UK football people, coachs etc they have been patient and waited and was giving alot of promises, they have been very frustrated with the UKAA. I am sure the defenders will say that not true but it is, Snow comments and departe and now T goes to show they expressing their displeasure.

    This post was edited by OptimusBlue5716 3 years ago

  • Jeremy Grey said... (original post)

    At the Bama's and LSU's of the world, they don't have to do too much to get their fans riled up, given how rabid their fans are about their football. But at UK, our fans need some help getting fired up as well as needing some education (read: please be loud when UK is on defense, but quiet as UK approaches the LOS on offense). So I'd like to see the athletics dept. pay more attention to detail on gameday atmosphere and really ramp that up. Would be a good time to do it with the new video boards, ribbon boards, and sound system.

    The student section should be the starting point, in my opinion, as that section needs to be better (both in terms of numbers and volume). Sitting in the UK section at Vaught-Hemingway last year (which is smaller than Commonwealth), I was taken aback by how much better Ole Miss' student section was during the game (despite the fact their fan base was still ultra pissed over the Jax. St. and Vandy games). Again, part of that is cultural, as their fans by and large understand and care about football more. But part of that is also the gameday atmosphere at Ole Miss. They pump rap and rock (music young folks like) loudly over a booming sound system. Mind you, this is at Ole Miss, a place not exactly known for being progressive. And that's just Ole Miss. Watch South Carolina whip their fans into a frenzy before the Gamecocks take the field. The atmosphere at Miss. St. games last year looked electric at times on TV.

    UK needs to brainstorm for ideas, taking input from players, students, music gurus, video gurus, season ticket holders, etc., then coordinate with event production folks to make it flow. At times in the past, music, video, etc. has not flowed together at all (think music playing over the speakers while the band plays the fight song with the team entering the field). Cater to the fans who create the "atmosphere". Come up with a pregame that builds up intensity to the point where the team runs out onto the field (read: scrap the ridiculous spraying the team with smoke from two fire extinguisher canisters). During the game, pump loud, energizing music that college students like (read: less Cotton Eyed Joe and more Jay-Z, et al). Run video board/audio clips encouraging the crowd to get loud when UK is on D (I liked the bells tolling that they did a few years ago). Continue to improve the marching band and lean on them to play music that engages the fans instead of showcasing musical complexity (read: less tribute to Zoro). Run video segments featuring former UK players now in the NFL. Run video segments touting positive UK football history. Remind the cheerleaders that their role is to lead cheers at games, so instead of spending their time on pyramids and the like, come up with something in addition to the spelling of C-A-T-S. Speaking of C-A-T-S, tell the mascot to slow the hell down when doing his so-called push-ups, because the fans can't keep up with him and that whole deal sounds like crap anymore.

    Great post, and spot on!

  • bigbluemist said... (original post)

    I think the fans do their part. Hell, 68K show up every Saturday for a team that last won 8 regular season games ?????????

    Ya I was at a place once that had 68K blind, deaf, mutes. You could hear a pin drop! Just being there ain't good enough

  • Also, the cheesy slogans have got to stop. The "One Heartbeat" theme last year was pretty bad and I hope it has fallen by the wayside. Same with "Operation: Win" and "Game3day Ready". The idea behind them is good, but my God are the slogans horrible. I could deal with "We Believe!" a few years ago, and it was far from original (sports teams and fanbases everywhere use that one), but it made sense at the time as UK was the underdog that kept beating good teams, made a push into the top 10, had a Heisman hopeful QB who was being spotlighted during Gameday segments by ESPN, and Gameday itself even went to Lexington one week. It made sense......then.

  • mjdotson said... (original post)

    Also, the cheesy slogans have got to stop. The "One Heartbeat" theme last year was pretty bad and I hope it has fallen by the wayside. Same with "Operation: Win" and "Game3day Ready". The idea behind them is good, but my God are the slogans horrible. I could deal with "We Believe!"

    Maybe we could go with "Hope and Change" that always seems to workbiggrin

  • This is not what Martin said. His comments were taken COMPLETELY out of context by the OP.

  • mjdotson said... (original post)

    Great post, and spot on!

    I agree as well. The sound system will help.

    I will have to disagree about Vauhgt Hemmingway stadium though. The stadium was empty. They did a good job with the music and "production" but the fans weren't anything special.

    In our "bigger" games our student section does a good job. I've never understood why we didn't shift them to the endzone when we did the expansion. Most of the other sec schools that I have been to use the endzone for their stadiums. bama, Ole Miss, etc...

  • Agreed about the Ole Miss game, I was shocked that couldn't even fill a stadium that holds at least 10,000 less than Commonwealth. I think our fans need instructions with what to do, I feel like a large majority truly don't understand the game. On defense flash Get Loud or Make Noise on the video board, have the PA guy tell the crowd to get loud on third downs. Like others have stated the music needs changed, make it loud and modern for the fans to get into. Pass towels or pom poms out before games, have them waving them during the game.

    I think before the opening kick the cheerleaders need to get the crowd chanting C-A-T-S or Go Big Blue similar to what they do at Rupp,

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  • hoptownukfan said... (original post)

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    In our "bigger" games our student section does a good job. I've never understood why we didn't shift them to the endzone when we did the expansion. Most of the other sec schools that I have been to use the endzone for their stadiums. bama, Ole Miss, etc...

    Hey Hop...just a thought but Cleveland has the Dog Pound maybe we could start the Cat House and have young women throw undergarments into the end zone! Sorry guys getting a little punch drunk, can't wait for football to start.

  • We're on the same page, Hop....There were plenty of pockets of empty seats in the stadium, and I thought there fans between the endzones were pretty quiet. My comments were geared towards their student section. Pisses me off thinking back on the opportunity lost in Oxford game (turnovers, bad call on opening drive of second half, OM punt return, etc.).

  • Some of these are valid points but I was listening to the show before I went on with Tom and that's not at all what Tee said to Tom.

    Not sure what he said to Matt but he said the gameday atmosphere is all tied to performance on the field.

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  • Well, it's probably not a good idea to bring recruits in for some of these 73-0 barnburners we've had against Florida in the past. I know I remember hearing that recruits were in for those games. That's just piss poor planning. I hope Joker won't make that same mistake. I haven't been to a game in years but go to Texas games regularly and I can tell you that it would be tough to match what the big programs can put forth as far as fan response. Tee had that same thing at Ewe Tee and I'm not sure I see a ready fix for it at UK other than pumping more money into the program.

  • DACats86 said... (original post)

    Honestly, and counter to my negative stereotype on here, I think Jones is full of ish regarding this and is just stirring the pot. Tee just said on Tom Leach's show that the atmosphere in the stadium is based on the team's performance. He said that if UK is playing to get into a BCS bowl or an SEC championship, then the atmosphere will be better. He said that the fans can't lead in changing the atmosphere, that the team has to do it.

    Hopefully, the video and ribbon boards will help some. The band is just a lost cause.

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    That sounds like a Matt Jones special, the dude loves to stir the pot and thanks to a few of his loyal subjects (NOT talking about the OP at all) his rhetoric is carried to all UK message boards as gospel.

    I have no doubt Tee is looking for ways to juice the atmosphere at CWS, anybody that follows him on twitter knows that cause he has asked for fan suggestions on more than one occasion. That said, that is part of his job and there isn't a staff in the country that isn't looking for ways to make their gameday experience more appealing to recruits. And Tee is correct in saying more exciting play on the field will lead to a better atmosphere. Give the fans a reason to be excited and they will be. Just look at the first 50 minutes of the Arkansas game a couple of years ago, there were 70,000 fans and CWS was like a morgue, the last 5 to 10 minutes there was probably less than 15,000 fans left and the place was electric when we made our comeback.

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