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Or do people feel that Stoops will have something to work with here his first season? I always heard both sides last season. At times I heard we were young and talented, but made mistakes as a result of that youth. Some felt we had good players, but terrible coaching. Some felt we simply did not have anywhere near the talent needed to be competitive. Just seeing what others feel, considering it could take a while to get any type of improved talent in the door here...
Problem is the talent we have is still young. They all got some game experience this year which was good but we're bringing in a whole new system of Defense and Offense so it will be tough. More than anything people want to see the team play with toughness and passion. If fans see that they will be on board. So really all else doesn't matter. Coach Stoops just needs come in and instill some passion in these players. If he does that he'll get that honeymoon period that he needs to get things right and hopefully we'll see the uptick in recruiting that everyone is expecting. I'm not saying its out of the question that he takes us to a bowl in his 1st season but its probably unlikely. Once again just wanna see this team play like it cares.
I completely agree that we all want to see a change in that department, just curious what people evaluation on our current roster is in terms of returning players. Even with new systems on o and d, I expect the team to look more fundamentally sound. I am glad we have a guy building this thing on defense, I've personally been frustrated with tackling here for years!
In one or two positions we are in very good shape. In several we are ok, in a couple we have something to worry about and in a couple we need juco help now, it's a five station Alarm.
At qb we are in as good a shape as any team in the country. No need to expand much.
At running back we are in good shape. See qb.
At o-line we have three returning starters but we lost our best two players. I think we are fine. May get a juco interior lineman if we think he can help right away.
At te we have a ton of players but nobody has stood out.
At wr we have some young talent but we really need sweat and Legree to step up. After Robinson, Collins and sweat its a bunch of unproven guys.
On defense it's feast or famine.
At d-tackle we are as deep and as talented as I can ever remember.
At d- end we are in awful shape because of our silly "hybrid" defense we ran. If we are going to run a traditional 4-3 we have to find at least one player who can go right Aways. I suspect Dupree will move down here.
At linebacker we have some decent options but their postulations and alignment will change. We also have guys like Simpson who may not fit in?
We are in good shape at corner back. If caffey comes back i think we'll see somebody move to safety.
Safety is also much like d-end. Our old defense hindered us here. We need to pray that Faulkner gets better and the light turns on. May also need juco help here.
There's plenty of talent to put a good offense together if Smith is healthy or one of the freshman QBs improves to close to smiths level. The line is a little shakey losing it's two anchors, but they all played pretty well this year and have a lot of experience returning.
On D, I just don't think the talents there. We have some good DTs, Dupree probably at DE and Williamson. Beyond that we have a bunch of freshman corners who showed promise but also got burned a lot this year, nothing proven at safety, and more unproven guys at LB outside Williamson and Dupree (if he stays there which I doubt).
Without some big time instant impact recruits next year, the D is probably going to be pretty bad next year. They could improve a lot (I think they will) and still be pretty bad.
Yeah, I kinda feel that way about the D also, that's why I hope we get a great OC! I am very curious how the D will be addressed, I just feel like the personnel is all jacked up. Several guys are just not in positions they can play at this level, so a lot will change. The good thing is, all the fans are aware of what the new staff is inheriting defensively.
I think its tough to tell right now. They may have gained some experience but you have to remember they are all starting over...they have to learn new styles of play now completely on both sides of the ball, and the best way to learn it is game experience. I think next year will be a little tough, if he can win 5-6 games I would say it is a huge improvement for us with that schedule. I would say he will go down south to several states and recruit based on early playing time in the SEC. Maxwell Smiths development will be key. Hopefully this staff realizes that Whitlow is a WR and not a QB and work him some Wildcat packages and WR packages. Honestly we are going to have such a talented staff though its hard for me to say anything they should or shouldnt do e ven if its my opinion. I am just excited to see the changes.
Ive always thought our past coaches have run to co,plicated of system. Seems like Stoops runs a simplier system. Also probably a good thing the Louisvillebgame is third game of the year instead of the first.
Just a note: Zach West went under surgery for his elbow right when the buzz about who was going to be our next coach was at its greatest (Monday or Tuesday, less than a week ago) and I figure he will be still rehabbing when spring practice occurs. So, not only are we losing our starting RG and C but the starting left guard, who I think was going to move into the C position, is out right now with shoulder surgery.
Edit Note: SMDH, I knew it was a shoulder surgery but for some reason typed elbow.
This post was edited by rompcat 16 months ago
My take is a little different.. I think we do have talent, Joker has raved about some of the young guys and I have no reason to not believe him. He was certainly correct in his assessment of Williamson. Fourteen frosh saw significant action this season in our beast conference and if not anything else they now have a grasp on what it takes to play at this level. They now understand that even their best hits, runs, catches, etc may not produce the same results as when in HS. They aren't the strongest guys on the field. One step out of position and you are unlikely to be able to recover fast enough. They are still young so they have time to learn new schemes and focus on the fundamentals that result in success.
As for toughness and passion, UKFB has always provided that and this team is no different. That is probably the single thing that endeared me to UK as a fan. That is an attribute to Kentucky, if nothing else we are tough. I've seen it in all sports, but especially in FB and BB. If nothing else this years BB team's success to date just shows the transistion from HS to college play even for the most talented recruits. No one can tell me the adjustment isn't significant, but kids grow up and these guys will too. I thought that Sanders and George showed toughness and passion every time they carried the ball. King showed the same. The defense hit very hard when in proper positions to make the play.
Coach Stoops should be in good shape coming in. Joker has some good commitments for him and has left openings for whatever he can attract on late start. Joker has certainly left some guys behind with at least a taste of what it will take at this level, and they are very hungry to win.
With all due respect. We have not been a tough football team for the last 3 years. Yes,
Individuals have been tough but the team hasn't been physical or tough as a collective group.
Kind of have to agree. I also agree that at times we have been a tuff team, that hits u in the mouth, even in losing seasons. But.... It's been a long time since I thought that, even in our successful years in the last ten or fifteen years I didn't feel that way, but football has changed a lot.
In the woddyard, Williams, Johnson, years we were very physical. Tebow even commented that we were the most physical team they played.
I believe it was shoulder surgery but your point still stands.
I said we do have talent. But its still young.
And clearly we have not been a tough football team. Not sure how anyone can argue that we've played with toughness and passion over the last couple of years. Its not about individual players its about the team as a whole. I think you'll see a big change in that dept. I think you'll see guys fired up each and every Sat. As oppossed to just every now and then.
You are correct. I apparently had a brain spasm because I knew it was a shoulder surgery but wrote elbow. SMDH.
All the talent, especially on defense, is in the frosh and soph classes. No offense, but the sooner those upperclassmen cycle out the better off we will be. We had Mac and Sun Belt talent playing an SEC schedule. That has to end and one of the biggest flaws in the Brooks/Joker regime was this "coach 'em up" crap. Same problem Tubby had in basketball...it can work in isolated instances but it is not viable for the long term health of a program.
Then UK is screwed. I don't care what coach UK has they simply aren't going to beat out the Floridas, Bama's, USCs etc of the world for 5* talent. Just aint gonna happen. That's not to say Stoops couldn't get the random 5* a couple times. But it won't be consistent. Coaching em up seemed to serve Brooks well.
It's not about "rankings" as much as athletes that are genuine BCS, SEC caliber with verifiable, commitable offer sheets reflecting that. How many 5 star prospects do you think are actually floating around? Do you think 'Bama is just all 5 star kids with a few 3's or 4's floating around?
A 3 star prospect from Florida with multiple BCS offers is far more valuable than a 4-5 star kid from Kentucky. That's not to say the ranking system isn't flawed but it is a far better indicator of success at the college level (and I'm not talking about NFL success here. That's a whole different animal) than many want to give credit for.
This post was edited by MoC 16 months ago
Most who praised Joker's recruiting were also telling us that we were gonna win 7-9 games last year, so you decide?
We do have some quality players, just not enough of them. What we lack is quality depth, which is what you need to win in the SEC. If Stoops can build a great staff that really recruits like gangbusters, fill some gaps with Juco, and coach his tail off, we can probably win 4-6 in his first year, and possibly return to a small bowl his second. At some point though, he's gonna have to bite the bullett and start redshirting entire freshman classes if we ever want to change the program for the better and for the longrun.
This post was edited by Revolution No9 16 months ago
Based on what I see and looking at the numbers, the talent and viewing it within in the context of both the SEC and, of course, competing and winning games? That's probably (best case scenario) 5-7 years away.
You're exactly right though.
Does anyone know how many FSU redshirted last year?
We need a coach and I hope Stoops is the guy that can recruit at a high level AND coach players up. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have both. Its not to much to ask at all for a coach to put together a staff of guys that can do both things equally well by Kentucky standards especially if not SEC standards. Its not about getting 5* talent though its about getting SEC caliber athletes at all positions and have a revolving door of those athletes in all classes to provide depth and step in to contribute. No reason why we can't have that with the right staff in place that has the juice to recruit. It remains to be seen what our staff will look like but the Stoops name carries lots of weight in football circles not to mention Mark is well liked and has had lots of success as a D coordinator and position coach everywhere he's been so people are hopeful he'll be able to get it done.
Offense has two big holes to fill but we did have a nice freshman OL class. If they gel there is plenty of skill talent to put pretty good unit on the field. I really like our backs and WRs. QB is maybe the most talented and deepest I have ever seen at UK. Weak spot is TE, still no one on this roster that has been a threat in the passing game.
Defense is a different story. Hope the switch to the 4-3 takes better advantage of our talent. I feel our DLine talent isn't terrible but thought some were out of position. Douglas who moved inside is a good example of this and like many have said Dupree hopefully becomes the rush end we have lacked since Jarmon left.
Wonder if Stoops and Company can find a stud JUCO DE, LB and Safety? Anybody know of any that haven't commited. I know the early signing season for them is just around the corner.
This post was edited by PAXCAT 16 months ago
If we have the "special" qb on our roster that I think we have along with some decent targets we can get to a bowl next year. Couple that with some "real" recruiting and we could be set up for a nice run. Stoops is actually walking into a nice situation for UK standards. Three very good qb's some talent at the skill spots and some decent talent on the lines. That has been the recipe for the last 7 bowls we made it to. We had couch and bonnet, then Woodson and hartline. I'm of the opinion that if healthy, smith is as good as all of those guys besides couch. Add stoops ability to motivate and coach up the defense i see no reason we can't get to a bowl next year.
Consider the fact that sanders had an open feud with a few guys on the offense, minter was an absolute joke coaching the defense and joker couldn't motivate a soul.
We were bad this year. But we also had the talent to give uga and uscjr all they wanted.
Again, i m not predicting a sec championship next year but I don't think we're going to field a team that can't perform.
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