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Larry is pissed and isn't going to hold it in any longer!! LoL . Hard to disagree with much of what he says, though.
By LARRY VAUGHT Its about time to face the obvious with Kentucky football when it comes to the UK fan base. The fans were upset with Joker Phillips and...
Larry vaught has lost the little amount of credibility and respect he had in the last 2 weeks. He has become a mouthpiece for the wannabe boosters and the small minority of uk fans who hate the most successful athletic director in uk history. I kind of feel sorry for him z
He's absolutely right about a couple of things.
1- If UK thinks they'll be back to having 65,000 fans in the stands for every home game, regardless of who they hire, they've lost their mind.
2- The fanbase finally caught on to the fact that the administration hasn't given the football progrom a fighting chance. As a result, MANY long standing fans that bought tickets no matter what have finally decided enough is enough.
For the first time in 50 years, UK is going to be forced to earn many of the fans back. If they don't make big investments and promote football like they should, many of the fans will stay home.
Good for Larry. The administration has been woefully lacking in their support for football - the fans just aren't going to take mediocrity anymore... They'll get no more money from me (and a majority of my friends who are fans also) until Mitch fixes it or leaves. Too many frustrated people for them to not get the message.
In respone to 1. Who said UK would have 65,000 fans in the seats no matter who they hired?
2. This UK administration with Barnhart has committed more football than any administration in history and the product on the field is as good as it's been outside the last two seasons in the last 50 years. With the potential bonding deal coming this winter we could see the upgrades we all know we need.
3. I agree to an extent but folks are ignoring that uk was in a modern day golden era just. 4 years ago for uk football standards. We've had a taste and now we expect more. That's a good thing. Mitch knows this. That's why he fired joker and is trying to get a big time coach to uk.
How do you lose credibility when you tell the truth? You don't. He's exactly right. If you actually live in Hoptown, you don't hear a lot about what people here in Central Ky. are saying. People are very upset with the administration.
Amen, ukblueforever. To say our modern day golden age is 8-5, 7-6 seasons is a PART OF THE PROBLEM. We must expect more and our administration must be ready to provide for more...
Hop, I am sorry but exactly what has the administration under Barnhart committed to UKFB? You don't think that building Commonwealth stadium, enlarging it, and building the Nutter field house were commitments to football? All occurred prior to Barnhart's time. Please don't compare 2011 dollars to 1970 or 1990 dollars. I am interested in your perception that this administration has done more for UKFB than any other.
How could our most successful AD ever, produce such a loser in football? We have lost way more than we have won during his tenure and that's with the easiet OOC schedule imaginable.
Compare it to the rest of uk fb history and get back to me.
Just because it's better than our typical history, does not mean that it is good enough. We must demand better NOW.
Actually you just lost all credibility for making that ignorant post. Larry is just telling the truth and you don't like it.
Larry Vaught is one of the more credible reporters out there.And he is correct in his assesment of UK fans.They are not going to shell out big bucks for a losing football program anymore,and as soon as Barnhart realizes, this the more apt he is to make a better hire this time around.
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Is this our goal? We are doing great because look at our past? This is the same kind of self-defeating attitude that has kept UK in the SEC basement for 50 years.
It's time to set the bar a little higher. It's time someone at UK has the vision to take our football program to new heights. If we don't intend to compete for a SEC championship then why are we even playing football?
This post was edited by rgunslinger 17 months ago
"Kentucky Football needs to be and will be a championship contender in the SEC."~Mitch Barnhart 11/4/12
Amen, slinger. Some of the enablers just never got on board of Rich Brooks' comment that "UK fans need to raise their expectations". The enables are still comparing everything to the past. That is nothing more than a crutch. UK needs a leader who will look ahead, not behind.
My expectations are raised. But you have to walk before you can run. Rich got is to walking. We all hoped joker could get is to running but he didn't. Now we need to get the guy who can get us to where we all want to be.
I believe that analogy fits if you are applying it to a coaches tenure, crawl first, walk next, then run. I don't believe you have to hire one coach to walk then another to run.
Vaught is exactly right.
A hire like Butch Jones, Sonny Dykes, or someone similar will not bring many fans back. While they may or may not be successful, they will have to win, compete, and do it often for fans to start coming back.
The difference between a Butch Jones and a Petrino hire can mean tens of millions of dollars over a 2-4 year period, when you consider 65000 fans to 35000 fans or less.
Another huge problem is that fans who are wanting Petrino will likely not back the new hire if UK did not at least try to sign him. Now, if Petrino turned UK down, I would understand that, and then I could find myself getting behind a different coach. However, if UK fails to try and hire Petrino, then I just see that as the same old lack of administrative support that there has been for 40+ years. I will expect nothing to change, and I won't bother to get season tickets again or attend any games.
If the UK administration is unwilling to put their full support into something, why should I put my full support into it?
Larry Vaught hits the nail on the head...Another great point in this thread was the SEC record...While Brooks did a good job, he still ended up with only 1 year where he won 4 SEC games..His best team in his second to last year, they got only 3 SEC wins...Another great point was the added extra game..That has been huge in getting UK to bowl games it did, no question..So if you want to compare now with our History, we still suck in the SEC and an added game got UK to some very low tier bowl games, where we went 2-2 and basically the fourth one where the team really didn't even show up against Pitt...
John Calipari, not a person he can't get along with, actually has his own AD so that he doesn't have to deal with Mitch..He patrionized UK fans on Joker's way out...He made one of the worst hires in College basketball history with Billy Gillespie..It took Mike Pratt getting involved to get John Calipari here...Now I get it, our olympic sports have improved and if you have a daughter or son who played at UK for one of those teams, that is great and their success is noticed..However...In the grand scheme of things, an Athletic Director at a SEC school is based on one thing and one thing only, that is, how is your football team??
Joker and Mitch had the dream scenario setup ..He got gift wrapped Randall Cobb, the basketball team is back to hanging banners, all he had to do was win 6-8 games a year...Nobody out there wants to work with Mitch Barnhardt in the big boy world of college football...its that simple
This Petrino or bust crap is old. I don't know, but besides the PR problems Petrino would bring to the University, there could be unknown legal risks if anything happens under him. Net, if the choice is someone else, yes, the crowds could be smaller initially than with him. I'll not jump up/down for anyone, just wait and see. In full disclosure, I've held season tickets since 1978, with next week I'll have attended 9 games this year & not LV. In all liklihood if Petrino was hired I'd give up my season ticks.
It doesn't take a genius to know that Mitch offeded a lot of the football fanbase last year when he called them a "Microwave Society" for being down on Joker Phillips in what was obvious to many a failed experiment in the making. Ticket sales plummeted.
He took it a step further just a few week back when he went on the radio and declared the fans that aren't on board with Joker must have a "personal agenda" against him, essentially hinting that race was a factor in fan dissaprovement.
Since then, he has dodged the fans and the media to address the situation and lay out his vision for the program. That is an extremely poor decision and is portrayed as WEAK leadership.
Mitch has to accept part of the responsibility of UK football fans walking away for the first time in decades. He's partronized many of them, and has done nothing to try to woo them back.
He's probably a great man, but he's an absolute PR fiasco.
His record at UK says he's the best athletic director we've ever had and is one of the best in the country.
But his record doesn't matter. only your bs agenda.
How can a person who sits by & allows a large funding source dry up be one of the best in the country? That non-revenue sports feed off that drying up source doesn't compute to being one of the best in the country. Skip the Directors/Presidents/Whatever Cup standings when in fact it's built on a house of cards nor reflects the full importance of football to the bottomline.
This post was edited by vhcat1970 17 months ago
And what would it do to UK football if Petrino came here and pulled the same shit he pulled at every stop he's been to since UL? Hell, it took Louisville two coaches to dig them out of what Petrino left in his wake.
Some of you need to wake up and realize that we don't need that and then realize that hate them or not, UL has laid the road map for what needs to happen here at Kentucky. You get an up and comer, hot name coach and build the right way. Then pay whatever it takes to keep a good one when you get them. That is the only way this gets fixed long term.
Every fan that "will never buy tickets again if Petrino isn't hired" will be right back on the band wagon as soon as we turn the corner and start going bowling again filling seats no matter who the coach is. Win, that's it. Win, and the seats will fill themselves.
This post was edited by shauner17 17 months ago
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