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I'm pretty sure the first contract is 3 years and even the last pick in the 1st round makes 1.02 mil per year.
Last 7 picks or so are less
Than one million a year.
Look at the $$$ teaguen left on the table. He'd be sure fire lottery this year.
i tend to agree and that is saying a lot considering there have been so many great 7ft athletes over the years.
1st Round Rook Deals are 2 years with a team option on the 3rd.. So basically you are guaranteed 2 years, and if you are worthy the team will pick you up for the 3rd and other teams cannot touch you.. Last pick of the lottery 14 (John Henson) is locked in at ~1.9 mil/year & pick 15 (Moe Harkless) 1.8 mil/year.. Basically im just saying not a huge investment to take on Archie's potential at 18 years old from a GM standpoint.. The kids should be thinking about the best way to get to the 2nd contract their 4th year..
Patience is a virtue.
I agree thats really the point. For Alex and Archie I believe coming back will be the best decision. For Willie though its a little tougher. Only because I could envision a scenario where he wows people at workouts with his athleticism and goes top 10.
It really is. It's one we as a culture have lost. It may not be more apparent anywhere than the basketball culture in this country.
Are you guys serious there is a reason that Archie didn't play more point and that is he wouldn't pass. Goodwin is a huge risk right now and what do you think NBA guards will do guarding Goodwin? They will play the drive and make him shoot, until he can shoot from outside he's a liability on both ends because he isn't a great defender. Look Lamb is a way better player and he can't sniff the floor because he isn't quick enough to create his own shot. Archie can create but he's nowhere near the shooter you have to be to play 2 guard and won't be a point guard.
Truth is all of them except Noel should return and if they do two of them will be at least 3 year players. I know everyone wants to think Archie will be good but he won't not if he goes this year. Another thing Rondo has some of the best handles in basketball and his vision is unmatched Archie struggles with that part of his game as well. To many 2 guards that have better games right now so I think Alex, Archie, and WCS will be back for the next 2 yrs.
Archie wouldn't pass? Why don't you go back and look at his assist log earlier in the year when he was playing PG? The line reads 4, 3, 4, 9 5, 5, 4, 4, 4. That's pretty decent.
Archie is taller than Doron and also a better athlete. People have to stop thinking what players are as 18 year olds is what they are going to be forever. Archie can work on his jumper, Doron isn't getting taller.
And that is where "short term" thinking effects an NBA GM. If A. Goodwin is going to be a good player in 2 years, AND given his draft projection, he is wise to come out now. Else he waits until his Junior year.
A. Goodwin - for all his talent - is NOT ready for the NBA. But he would be picked somewhere in the 20 to 30 range. That puts him on a playoff team most likely. That also means experienced guards playing ahead of him. He would get 5 to 8 minutes a game fairly regularly depending on other reserves. He would be in the D-league most of the year. The difference is learning from the NBA players, getting his NBA education now, and then prospering later.
If you can be a first round pick, you have to roll the dice today. No reason in the world I would want G. Dieng to leave after this year, but if he is a first round pick - projected as so right now - he has to go as well. The money changes the life of some of these players and there is no gaurantee it will be there tomorrow.
A simple question: is your butt jealous of the amount crap coming from your mouth?
Nah. That's a pretty terrible take.
You don't make life changing money at the end of the first round. You make life changing money in the lottery and IN YOUR SECOND CONTRACT. Marquis Teague is the very best example of why a player should stay if they are a freshman projected 20 or lower in the first round. He'll never get to showcase his talents the next two years. He'll probably get 3 or 4 years with the bulls but he won't get the big second contract that would set him for life.
Contrast that with what would have happened if he had come back. He would most likely be a top 10 pick and he'd be going to a team that would need him and play him. He'd also have another year of development to help him be better and see the floor more as a rookie. He'd make more money in his first two years than he would in his first 3 or 4 being drafted late in the first round and he'd get a much bigger second contract.
Now, somebody like dieng probably does need to go this year. He's a junior. He's not going to improve much. And with next year's draft if he doesn't improve he'll slide.
But AG, AP, and WCS can all improve GREATLY and with a better point guard, will improve greatly. If they do, they can all work their way into the end of the lottery and make a lot more money on their first contract and their second.
Well, yes-but who was this accomplished against?-if he's gonna be anything, it'll have to be a 2...does he have the physical skills to get there?? Looks like it...but he's got to work and got to change...he is just 18...tough call...
Lets also not forget that Doron had the luxury of playing with 2 much better PG's and overall players around him. He also had better leadership around him. Archie is a better athlete, better defender. But Doron is a smooth scorer with a high IQ. Not much difference between the two although I think as far as the draft goes the NBA is more likely to take Archie higher due to longer term potential if the two were faced off in the same draft. Doron had a lot built in advantages over Archie though in his time as a Wldcat.
Doron was a lockdown type defender in his second year.
No he wasn't.
I agree with you that it's against some subpar competition (he had 4 against Duke, 5 at ND and 5 vs. Baylor though), but the idea that he "won't pass" is really a bit slanderous. Clearly he will, when it is his job. As a 2 guard his job is to get the ball into the hole.
Sure he was.
MKG was a lock down defender. Deandre Liggins was a lock down defender. Doron Lamb was not a lock down defender. He worked hard on it and became serviceable but if AD wasn't in the middle his inadequacies as a defender would have shown up much more.
He was certainly a very, very good defender in the NCAA. In the NBA he might have trouble keeping in front of a quicker player, but he's quite good. In the NCAA title run he was at another level.
In Teague's case that's absolutely correct-but every individual case (both personally and basketball-wise) is different...some kids' families need immediate help (or at least they perceive it that way), and as you point out, in cases like Dieng's it makes sense...and I'm still not sure when all's said and done, given the nature of this yesr's draft, Cauley-Stein won't wind up in the lottery somewhere...he's raw, but a rare talent-
I guess. Slightly above average is all I'm willing to go. And I'm talking about for his career not for 6 games in March.
You are correct Archie is a little taller than Doron, but he is not in the same league when it comes to offensive skills. Also, Archie would be considered a very small two guard, but doesn't currenlty have the handles to play the 1. He could drastically improve his stock by coming back. That being said, if a NBA GM tells him he will pick him in the top 15 then he probably needs to go.
You must agree with my sports opinion or else!
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