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I have tried to remain optimistic..but after 42-0 debacle tonite..to Arkansas..in the 1st half..UK needs to hire a big time football coach. Joker was a great OC..wish he were still our OC..Randy Sanders is the best QB coach in college football..and one of the worst play-callers. What is it with Uk and Def.Coords? Minter was known for his agressive, blitzing D's..comes to Uk and looks like Steve Brown redux...passive..lame ..3 man rush on 3rd and 5-10..stupid. When you got tons of frosh playing DB..you gotta put pressure on the QB..send 6-7 on most downs. We dont.
I loved Joker the Oc and Recruiter..I cant stomach Joker the HC anymore..I just hope talented kids like Mobley dont leave..but..I couldnt blame him..his redshirt has been wasted..for what? mabye 12 carries? Give the kid 10 a game at least. He is a pile mover..thats all we heard leading up to this disaster of a season..we need a kid that can get the 3rd and 1's..3-2's..but no Mobley. Sweat and Legree look like our best playmakers..but we throw the playmaker touches to Robinson or McCaskill..Rob drops 2 many and Gene isnt a great athlete.
Its not that were losing..its the WAY we are losing. The coaches call idiotic plays..delayed handoffs on 3rd down..too much passing on 1st down post-Smith/Towles.
Mitch...MITCH..get real...you are gonna have to pay someone..and pay them WELL...make them an offer they cant refuse...my opinion? Jon Gruden. To the tune of 5 mil per..let him hand pick his staff..and pay them well..we need 1mil per year type assistants..not 100k-200k type. Gruden plays a physical, fundamental style that wins..and his defenses are awesome. He seems to like Uk..he emphasizes ..this kid is from Kentucky..I think hes been retired long enough..hes ready to coach football again. The challenge of turning Uk into a SEC contender could be just the spur Jon Gruden needs to come.
Josh McDaniels..wants to be the HC.
Kirby Smart..great defensive mind and a elite recruiter. Bud Foster..ditto.
If all else fails..Im now ready to admit Bobby Petrino the genius coach outweighs my dislike of Bobby P the man.
I would even entertain Willie Taggart..good defensive mind..good recruiter..his players love him and want to win for him..this can never be overlooked.
Cmon Mitch..WoW us..the BBN..with a unthinkable..4or 5mill a year silly payday for a elite football mind. This is the one sport where the HC matters more than the skill of the players on the field. Offer Boise St mastermind Chris Peterson so much money he cant say no..hes winning 10 games a year in perhaps the only state that churns out less D1 talent than KY. Know he could win here.
I dont care who you get..just get someone that wins..Id love Gruden. Its to the point id trade a SEc Title for a few seasons of bowl ban due to illeagal recruiting..LoL..
The Cats are not out of the bag..we have drowned in it. We quit tonite. Arkansas is not that good. Our coaches have quit..not all of them..but our defense has enough talent not to let Arkansas score on its 1st 7 drives..and thats all theve had as I sit here ranting!!!
It's almost impossible to argue for CJP at this point. I wish it would've worked out; Joker is seemingly a great person. I personally wish him nothing but the best in the future. However, we are due for a changing of the guard.
Post an ad with a $3 Million Minimum and $1 Million per game over 5 wins in year 1 to 3, with a bonus if you go over. Anything over 6 wins gives you a multiple based on SEC vs out of conference.
Crazy I know but it would be curious to see which agents make the call. They get paid as well so they will push.
The loss in revenue more than pays for it. More years like this hurt the Univeristy and other sports.
Common sense to make a change. . . no way there can be excuses after today. . but I am sure we will hear them at some point.
It's not about just hiring a coach, this falls on UK. We either take football serious and do what everyone else has done or we'll just repeat and see the same results with a different HC
I don't always post but when I do, I try to make things interesting
Wow. When both the OP and "Gary" from TOS finally agree that this is a sinkin ship, well, it's a sinking ship. "RV" and "Measenger" probably standing strong and going down with the ship.
morbidky84. . you just did a good job of defining insanity! We need to make a statement, and honestly the one that fits is saying that we will change NOW. Season is already done. . why wait?
Actually, Messenger concluded the ship was sinking after the loss to Louisville. Just thought you should know.
Been a Cat fan since August of '92
If there's anyone still on the ship, we are fixing to lose some fans, cause they are about to drown.
I've been on Joker side though all of this and a optimistic about everything day in and day out.
But watching these last few games I hate the way it sounds, when someone says they feel sorry fpr someone, but i feel sorry for our players. They look 100% unprepared and uninspired, that is coaching point blank!
I believe in Blue #GoCats
Just for the record Bill Curry used to say your either in the canoe or out of the canoe. I think I'm out.
What about Sonny Dykes, HC at Louisiana Tech? Was an assistant here under Mumme, has worked with Mike Leach, and obviously knows a thing or two about coaching offense. I just wonder what we'd have to pay him...Also, from Texas...
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"Apparently the University of Kentucky basketball dynasty is to continue forever." - Philadelphia Inquirer, December 23 1954.
They're putting up a lot of points and might get a look but Dykes OC is Tony Franklin who won't be brought back to UK.
Why fire Joker? Didn't UK beat Kent State? What else more do you expect out of him? Geeeeeesh!
I'm getting tired of this sentiment. And I mean no offense to you personally. I just see this a lot. Throw money at it and it'll get better. Everyone is forgetting that before Joker we were on an unprecedented run with Brooks. Bowl games every year, winning virtually all of them, nationally ranked, and even a Heisman contender here and there. All it takes is a good coach. That's it. I can see opening the bank for a good coach as long as it doesn't hurt bball. But if it's a situation where it's one or the other bball is going to win every time. It's UK.
You clearly don't understand SEC football. It takes more than just a coach and to get the kind of coach you are talking about you have to have other things in place. Its the exact reason why we won't get Bobby Petrino. He knows we don't have the right kind of commitment to football. And its not about just going to bowl games every year. Its about trying to win the SEC East.
Bill Curry was always upside down in the canoe.
My prediction is that if uga embarrasses is
That Barnhart may ask for hojer's resignation on the Monday after.
Barnhart could then get the search started right away. Problem is, for high profile candidates we will have to wait for other situations (Arkansas, Tennessee, auburn etc...) to shake out.
Does Messenger still post somewhere?
How about that coach from Duke, he turned a team who couldn't beat Richmond at home...to a team who just murdered VT 42-17. He is a SEC kind of guy, had the background, hard nosed no BS kind of coach. If you can win at Duke, you can win anywhere in my books.
Lets put it this way, UK is in much better shape than Duke has been for years in football, and Duke is 6-1, and UK is 1-6, Vandy is ahead of UK as of now in football (btw I hate the vandy hype and not a franklin fanatic either).
I wouldn't mind Joker being demoted to OC and a new HC coming in, I could understand demoting Randy to just QB coach, and Summers as OL, but a change at the top is needed.
I hate to bring you down but Duke beat Virginia 42-17 last week, not VT. Duke lost to VT (now 4-3) 41-20 yesterday.
You just don't get it. Jokers salary is $1.8 million. Throwing another $2.2 million at someone and offering them $4 million per year is much better than losing $10-$20 million per year because ticket sales are down and no one comes to the games. A horrendous football program that generates little money at UK, where the athletic department is self sustaining and gets no help from the university, is much more detrimental to UK basketball than paying an extra $2-$3 million per year for a coach and making a TON more money for the entire athletic program.
Understand that football is the cash cow that drives all sports! Even here at UK where basketball is king! It's not a hard concept to understand. You will make up the extra $3 million you spend on a head coach in ticket sales alone. Not to mention all the revenue it will create in sponsorships, media and advertising, and even the sales from things such as clothing apparel. I do not understand how you all think spending money on a coach and a football program will hurt basketball when our pathetic football program already helps to pay for our basketball program.
Now all that said, you cant just throw that kind of money at just any coach. If you can't find a coach of that class to come here, then obviously you don't spend that kind of money. But the effort has to first be made, and that effort will be made this time. Bank on it.
I think morbid is saying is that the athletic department has to make a commitment to the program. It's not just about hiring a big name coach. It's about investing in the program. It's about upgrading facilities. It's about promoting football.
There are coaches who know how to run a football program. They don't come to UK because UK doesn't give the the situation they need to succeed. You need a lot of money for coaches. You need money for support including personnel and recruiting budgets. You need a degree of independence to run the program without the AD breathing down your neck. Finally you need to have control of most of the funds generated by football. UK is a nice school in a very nice town. We play in the best conference in the country and have a rabid fan base. There are drawbacks like the number of players produced in state but honestly I don't see that being as big an issue as decades ago. Most teams recruit regionally anyway and a lot of kids want to play in the SEC. The key is will UK put up the money and give up control? Just hiring another coach into the same failing situation will just produce the same results. The BOT and AD should meet with Brooks and then Joker to get a read of what needs to be done for the next coach.
This has been my message for a long time, but if the administration does as you suggest, and I believe it should do, then why not make that commitment to Joker? Joker brings some things to the UK football table that no other coach out there can bring, loyalty and commitment to UK first.
This has been the puzzle for me. That is why I sadly conclude that the administration is simply going to swing the revolving coach door once again.
Well done. It is nice to see someone thinking outside the box or the Big Blue swimming pool that everyone is drowning in. You summed it up in a nutshell.
I agree that the old excuse of a poor pipeline from the state high school programs is very overcomeable. Look at Boise State's recent national success. Look at Nebraska for decades now.
The state of Nebraska has half the population of Kentucky. The Huskers have been off their usual dominance in the last ten years, but have had an abundance of it before the recent downturn. They have it headed back in the right direction. They sprinkle a few big, cornfed, instate lineman in with speed recruited on a national basis. Mike Rozier was from New Jersey, Ron Dayne from New Jersey, and Tommy Frazier from Florida to name a few. They have established their football program and their state's lacking in high school football talent is not a major issue.
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