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Offensive woes and moving forward in recruiting

  • I put the first part of this in another thread but I don't think many read it. IMHO the reason we are struggling offensively is the lack of talent in the skill positions from the 09 and 10 recruiting classes. The potential is there for a few to step up still but for the most part we have gotten very little from those classes. Here is a break down of those classes:

    09 class
    WR Brian Adams (yet to make an impact)
    TE Jordan Aumiller (yet to make an impact)
    WR Justin Bean (never made it to UK)
    RB Jon George (yet to make an impact)
    TE Anthony Kendrick (yet to make an impact)
    WR LaRod King (starting WR) impact player
    WR Chris Matthews (starting WR for two years) impact player but since graduated
    QB Ryan Mossakowski (transferred)
    RB Donald Russell (transferred)
    QB Morgan Newton (starting QB) impact player

    10 class
    RB Brandon Gainer (yet to make an impact)
    ATH Jerrell Priester (transferred)
    TE Tyler Robinson (yet to make an impact)
    RB Raymond Sanders (starting RB) impact player
    TE Ronnie Shields (yet to make an impact)
    TE Alex Smith (transferred)

    So far that is 4 impact players, 1 that has since graduated
    6 players that get snaps but haven't made a big impact
    4 players that have transferred
    and 1 that has yet to get a snap that I can recall (Gainer)

    The 11 class looks to have quite a few guys that could potentially be impact guys but it is too soon to make a judgement on anyone aside from Clemons. Here is the breakdown:

    11 class
    RB Marcus Caffey
    RB Josh Clemons impact player
    ATH Bookie Cobbins
    WR Daryl Collins (injured)
    WR Rashad Cunningham
    WR Nile Daniel (went juco)
    WR DeMarco Robinson
    QB Maxwell Smith
    ATH Bubba Tandy (went juco)

    That's 1 impact player so far
    2 players that have taken snaps with no impact as of yet
    4 players redshirting (as of now), 1 because of injury
    and 2 players that didn't make it to UK

    So far in the 12 class we have:

    WR DeMarcus Sweat
    RB Shadrich Thornton (soft verbal)
    ATH Fred Tiller (likely to be on defense)

    At this point I think it is imperative that we use the scholarships left in the 12 class on offensive skill position players. We simply do not have enough and need guys that can make an impact within their first two years. The 09 and 10 classes were weak in talent, especially the 5 scholarships we have used on TEs that have made a minimal impact thus far. I'm of the opinion that instead of recruiting TE body types and then moving them to LB or DE, recruit extra guys at DE or LB and move them to TE if they don't cut it on defense, they aren't being used in the passing game anyway (yeah that is a joke but seriously why recruit another TE if they can't make a difference in the passing game?).

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  • I would propose that Tyler Robinson has made a bigger impact than Ray Sanders. He has been critical to the running game and if we every throw him the ball he seems to catch it.

  • You make some solid points there slinger.

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  • "At this point I think it is imperative that we use the scholarships left in the 12 class on offensive skill position players. We simply do not have enough and need guys that can make an impact within their first two years. The 09 and 10 classes were weak in talent, especially the 5 scholarships we have used on TEs that have made a minimal impact thus far. I'm of the opinion that instead of recruiting TE body types and then moving them to LB or DE, recruit extra guys at DE or LB and move them to TE if they don't cut it on defense, they aren't being used in the passing game anyway (yeah that is a joke but seriously why recruit another TE if they can't make a difference in the passing game?) "

    The most important piece of the post. I agree 100%.

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  • _Mike_ said... (original post)

    "At this point I think it is imperative that we use the scholarships left in the 12 class on offensive skill position players. We simply do not have enough and need guys that can make an impact within their first two years. The 09 and 10 classes were weak in talent, especially the 5 scholarships we have used on TEs that have made a minimal impact thus far. I'm of the opinion that instead of recruiting TE body types and then moving them to LB or DE, recruit extra guys at DE or LB and move them to TE if they don't cut it on defense, they aren't being used in the passing game anyway (yeah that is a joke but seriously why recruit another TE if they can't make a difference in the passing game?) "

    The most important piece of the post. I agree 100%.

    When a good coach, but not an impact head coach recruits in the SEC, he will get the three star leftovers, two star non-SEC capable players and once in a while the do called "diamond in the rough."

    Bottom line, that is barely good enough to rate just above Vandy or perhaps at the bottom with Vandy.

    If UK ever wants to fully participate in SEC football, it will need the full commitment of the UKAA and the university. Since that hasn't happened (despite a spike upward followed by probation) on 60 years, the smart money says get used to the last place.

  • SanAntonioCat said... (original post)

    When a good coach, but not an impact head coach recruits in the SEC, he will get the three star leftovers, two star non-SEC capable players and once in a while the do called "diamond in the rough."

    Bottom line, that is barely good enough to rate just above Vandy or perhaps at the bottom with Vandy.

    If UK ever wants to fully participate in SEC football, it will need the full commitment of the UKAA and the university. Since that hasn't happened (despite a spike upward followed by probation) on 60 years, the smart money says get used to the last place.

    I know this, and agree also. It would be great to see Mitch back Joker up and give him what he needs.. more $$ for better recruiters, and the facilities to impress them.

    Keep Calm & Stoops On..

  • SanAntonioCat said... (original post)

    If UK ever wants to fully participate in SEC football, it will need the full commitment of the UKAA and the university. Since that hasn't happened (despite a spike upward followed by probation) on 60 years, the smart money says get used to the last place.

    I am confused.

    By doing that as you suggested how will that influance the 4 and 5 star rated players to commit to UK.
    I think they could care less about the commitment of the UKAA.

    Yeah, Yeah - spend the money and the recruits will come. Still have my doubts about that.

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  • I have always said UK should only recruit players who can start from day one until they have enough playmakers to have a red shirt program. With UK offering early playing time it should help in recruiting but the bottom line is simple, you have to have people who can block, tackle, catch, and run the ball to be in the SEC.

    Now the one thing lacking is strength from this sort of approach so you change into a system that does more than always run the ball on first down and pass on third.,

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  • Great post slinger. The misses at the skill positions in previous classes is definitely hurting UK offensively. One of the biggest problems was recruiting HS QB to play WR. That gamble has yet to pay dividends. BTW, Gainer got a few carries in an earlier game and ran the ball pretty well.

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  • 7lives said... (original post)

    Yeah, Yeah - spend the money and the recruits will come. Still have my doubts about that.

    Well, we have proof to show that NOT spending money doesn't work...

  • alphacat93 said... (original post)

    Great post slinger. The misses at the skill positions in previous classes is definitely hurting UK offensively. One of the biggest problems was recruiting HS QB to play WR. That gamble has yet to pay dividends. BTW, Gainer got a few carries in an earlier game and ran the ball pretty well.

    Did he really? Dang I must have missed it. I really hope he can get healthy and get some snaps, would love to see what he can do.

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  • I think the broad view is the 2007/2008 classes were very weak, these would be your RS seniors, seniors and RS juniors. The 2009 class (juniors and RS sophomores) was somewhat better but not in the same category as the 2010 and 2011 classes where were much better. We also seemed to have an abnormal amount of attrition out of those classes, some of which was undoubtedly due to players being overrecruited. So I think the dreaded word "rebuilding" does apply to some extent. Had we had better recruiting in 2007/2008/2009 we would have some junior and senior leadership and some play makers that are noticeably absent right now.

    No one wants to be told that it might be another year or two before we field a competitive team again but that's probably the truth of the matter. I along with a lot of others really overvalued the skill players on offense this year. A minority warned us that replacing 4 key skill players would be impossible but I guess most of us preferred to look at it from more of an optimistic viewpoint and bought in to the "coach speak" too much.

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  • 7lives said... (original post)

    I am confused.

    By doing that as you suggested how will that influance the 4 and 5 star rated players to commit to UK. I think they could care less about the commitment of the UKAA.

    Yeah, Yeah - spend the money and the recruits will come. Still have my doubts about that.

    Recruiting is a pretty simple process. Get a coach who wins and kids want to play for.

    When you get that, everything else (including facilities) fall into place.

    I would like to know what the combined contributions of the "the UK football program needs more money allocated to it" crowd.

    I bet its less than $10,000

    This post was edited by olblue 3 years ago