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He is on his third year of a five year contract this year. With two years left, it would almost assuredly require and extension or new contract.
Personally I think the Cake is baked. Joker is a lame duck.
"Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra
You could be right? But you stopping to follow UK football? Who cares! That was the point! Like it matters?
My point is I quit following I quit buying tickets, merchandise, etc. Enough people feel like I do it hits the wallet. I'm not supporting a loser where the administration laughs at its customers. If you want to that's your decision and I can understand that.
Play so much?! Wow! I think coshik is a sr FYI. But smith and Clemons have played maybe 6-7 total games. Not sure that is askin too much
They only played 6 or 7 games because they got hurt man. C'mon. Chicken or the egg. besides, I was refering more to linemen than anyone, as they are the one's that determine whether we compete.
Basically, I agree with this post. However, I suspect that the greatest number of fans who will stay away have already left. You might not see that much more of an increase in empty seats next year. You are right that a few wins would bring them back.
Although I am not in the "ditch Joker regardless" crowd, I think you are way wrong. There are many fans (myself included) that are still going to games but would rethink about doing so if Joker is the man next year and we find ourselves 1-3 again. Without a doubt UK football can lose an additional 10k fans if that happens.
My guess is about 30k will show up regardless of the product on the field. The other 40k want something for their money. Not championships, just competitive football.
A good friend of mine has seen about as much bad football as any of us. He was a team manager starting his freshman year in 1979 and has had season tickets every year since he graduated. I think he has only missed maybe 2-3 home games in that entire period. He told me Sunday afternoon that he has already made up his mind to drop his tickets if Joker is retained.
If MB sticks with Joker and we finish 3-9, or something like that, you can bet the season ticket sales will plummet next year. Even some of the big money people will bail, because when/if there is a change, UK will welcome them back. Simple fact.
You guys just like getting yourselves in a big tizzy. Why not wait and see how things play out the rest of the year.
Nobody's in a "tizzy". Just discussing possiblities. That's the purpose of these boards, for people to state their views. Your words added absolutely nothing to the conversation, but, it's your right to say them.
This post was edited by ukblueforever 18 months ago
Really? Big money people bail? They might pull the coin purse back and force Mitch's hand but they won't go anywhere. Like anything. Follow the money. Joker pulls a rabbit out of his hat this year and he stays. You will not find anyone else near what he's getting paid, at this rate about a million a win. I know money isn't an object in the search for a coach. But money guys aren't gonna pull support without having a say in who they want.
This exactly, I like Joker so much I would love for him to pull off two upsets and get another year to develop this teams talent. Like all of us I want what is best for UK football. Switching to a new coach with out a big time commitment from Mitch, UK and apparently the KY legislature, is going to yield the same results. Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Its KILLING you that the program is going on with out all the Joker haters!!. When Joker comes back next year and this young team starts winning you guys will sneak back into CWS saying " WE LOVE YOU JOKER"!!!!!!!
This post was edited by bluehairnut 18 months ago
If the title of the thread said "if mitch says". That's hypothetical. Since it says "when mitch says" it makes it sound as if he'll do it.
Some people here are haters. That cannot be changed. They are that way in life I assume. Listen, I grew up with Joker playing here and loving him. He loves this place and frankly I will always think well of him and his love for UK. Here are the facts.
1. Football keeps the lights on for so many of UK sports that they are too time consuming to list here.
2. With dropping revenue, the improvements for any and all sports are scaled back or put on hold.
3. Kentucky has never instituted any major investment and improvements to the football program here.
4. Kentucky enjoys its revenue from the SEC and its lucrative contracts with networks and immediately funnels that back toward other sports or the university as a whole.
5. Kentucky football is treated like a single mother who holds down 2-3 jobs and brings home the groceries and food for her children. She never indulges in herself and her well being.
Frankly, it is time to invest in the game that makes things happen here at UK. Basketball will always be our calling card. But, as a founding member of the Southeastern Conference, at least be active in attempting to improve the conference's signature sport.
Thank you. UK needs to treat football for what it is. A business where student athletes get a free education and get to compete at the highest level and we as fans get to enjoy watching the competition occur.
When you bring a subpar effort from the front office it is reflected on the field.
I agree. Good post.
There are too many other posts on here to quote so I am just replying to several things.
We will find out Saturday if this team is improving. Part of me wants to believe they are after the last two weeks. Having said that, each of the last two weeks were trap games for our opponents. They slept walked through the first half and woke up a little in the second half. Especially USC. Florida is not as good as USC. If MIss St comes in here and beats us by 20 then this season is more than likely done. If we can keep the game competitive then I do believe this team is improving and IF we can pull out 3-4 more wins (Ole Miss, Ark, Vandy, and Samford are the targets) then I believe Joker will get another year and I will be okay with that.
What I won't be okay with is only winning 1-2 more games and having Joker brought back. I keep hearing people say "You have to give him time to win with his players" or "we just have a young team". What those people fail to realize or simply choose to ignore is that Joker was named 'Coach-in-waiting" so that there would not be any instability in the program. Recruits knew coming in who the coach would be. And lets not kid ourselves, the recruiting now isn't really any worse than it was. We were lucky with a couple of classes in the fact that several players turned out to be a little better than people thought they would. Tamme, Woodson, Burton, Little, Johnson, Woodyard, were all 3 star players who turned out to be pretty good players. Joker is still getting some 3 star recruits and sprinkling in a 4 star here and there. Two big factors going against Joker now is an 8th conference game and a rapidly rising Louisville program. When Brooks was here, U of L was on the decline when Petrino left and we were simply better than them. Now it is completely reversed and we are the team in decline. Let's not forget they could have beaten us by 50 had Strong wanted to. And adding that 8th conference game has eliminated one of our "guaranteed wins" that were on the schedule every year. And speaking of guaranteed wins, you think UK is looking forward to going to Nashville next year to play WKU?
Someone said "empty seats wont matter". Wrong. They will. A two win season this year and I can guarantee you that you will see another drop in ticket sales. The "old farts" that always came to UK games are, to be blunt, starting to die or not be able to come to games any more. It happens when you get old. The younger generation of fans doesn't necessarily care more about football than the older folks do. We (the younger generation) are just not as willing to keep pouring money into a program for a university that has basically laughed in our faces for the past 50 years about being seriously committed to football. We would rather stay home and have friends over and watch from the comfort of our homes on our 70" TV's so that we can change the channel when things get out of hand and not have to fight traffic leaving the game. We are tired of paying the salaries of those responsible for putting a watered down product on the field. We don't have to win 10 games every year. We would just like for the team we support and pay for to be competitive. Win say 7 games a year on average. We understand there will be years where you may be down and win 4 or 5 games. As long as it's not 10 plus years in between bowl appearances we will be okay with it. We just want the University to care about the program as the fans have for the past 50 years when they have shown up and supported the worst of teams.
These are different times and different people. Saturday is a big game for UK. At home against an undeated ranked opponent. 15 years ago it would have been a packed house. Saturday, well with forcast of 55 degrees and early rain on top of being opening weekend at Keeneland, I'd say they will be lucky if there is 40,000 people there if the forcast holds. That isn't the direction the program should be going in.
Ok, first I accidentally gave this a negative. My fault and I apologize. Trying to figure out how to quote part of this. Need to be more techie. Anyway a great post. The last paragraph is dead to rights. If there are 40K in the stands, I for one will be knocked over. Not going to happen in my opinion. But, lets see how the boys play. I am afraid that State will blow them off the line and beat us by more than 20. But, they give up yards. Anyway I digress. Believe time is right for monumental changes in UK football and as I have stated before, I feel like their back is against the wall and they will have to do something big.
It was quite amusing having been at the game to see an attendance reported of 49,500. I about ran off the road laughing on my way home. Normally you can get away with that because the lower bowl is full. Not even close on Saturday. I would say if they were lucky there were 35,000 in attendance, and that is pushing it. 30,000 is closer to reality.
Yeah, nothing is wrong and the program is headed in the right direction. Keep telling yourself that UK. The more you lie about the situation the worse you are making it. Even Patrick Towles couldn't fill the seats.
I noticed the attendance on television and no way it was almost 50,000 there. Maybe that amount of tickets were sold but many didnt show and I was really sad to see it that empty. I wrote in another stream that the changes needed at UK starts at the top not at the coaching level. I do think a change is needed at the coaching spot but not in the middle of the season and whether or not many people agree or not I dont think it would be fair to Joker or the players. I also think the Athletic Department needs to put a contract out that a big named coach couldnt refuse it and also upgrade asap the facilites so that big named coach could use that like Cal uses the basketball programs facilities. I think that all that is needed to fix the football program but its going to be difficult to pull in that coach even with that terrific contract and new facilities we can all hope.
Oh, in no way am I suggestion to fire Joker right now. I said earlier that if the team improved and we could pull off 3-4 more wins this year he should definitely be kept on. You have to give him the rest of the year.
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