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Posted on another sports site that 1140 The Fan (KHTK) in San Jose was reporting.
I doubt this being true since Kentucky just interviewed Florida State's DC Mark Stoops and he's the only one to be interviewed so far.
Not surprised at all by these rumors. MM is a fine coach that's rising in the coaching ranks...He'll make the BCS jump soon.
But the UK Admin must understand that, even if the legislature/UK comes through w/ funding for upgrades to the program going forward... If they go second tier w/ this hire, season ticket sales will be way down in 2013... And McIntyre is a second tier name (at best!)
W/ that being the case..I'm not sure he has the stones & connections to make it happen at UK, w/ the UK FB fan base as restless & fickle as we are...If he goes 1-11 / 2-10 in yr1...The base would be gone for several yrs to come. No one would invest until the renovations were done...And by then (yr 3)...both McIntyre & Barnhart would be on a very hot seats to produce.
That's before we even talk about how he'd recruit at UK vs how he's recruited at SJSU. (who knows what kind of staff he'd put together.)
The UK establishment has to understand that UK is the SJSU of the SEC, cept w/o the natural recruiting advantages CA offers. SJSU has a population of over 7M w/in the Bay Area (no more than 2hr drive away from SJSU's campus)...Are w/in a 7hr car ride of another 20M+ in SoCal / LA Metro....And that's w/o ever leaving the state of CA. So, There's 100's & 100's of D1 athletes produced every yr (more when counting JuCo's). UK does not have those natural recruiting advantages.
You make a sound argument based upon one variable but you ignore all the others to make your point.
I'm sure you have a list of "candidates" that will appease your sensibilities but, in the end, they have to say yes. This job has proven over and over again it is a huge risk. It has killed once promising careers and the only one's to have even marginal success (Curci being the sole outlier for other factors) and "get out alive" are the one's who had nothing to lose and were either in retirement or in the twilight of their careers: Claiborne and Brooks.
First thought is that a lot occoaches have the chance to come in here and due to these pkayers learning a new system coyld go 2-10 or 3-9. You realize the "great" BP who so many covet took over an Ark team that went 8-4 the year before and went 5-7. So there is a good chance oyr record next year wont be great.
Second Mcintyre took over possibly the worst teams in college football and in year three went 10-2. I dont care who you are, thats good coaching. Saying is at best second tier for us might be a stretch.
While I understand every one wants a huge name, give me one reason why they would come here and money cant be one. If you pay a coach and his assitantssome out landish amount, you cant afford renovations.
As for recruiting you do know that he has been an assitant at a couple of SEC schools and has ties to the south.
Sure, I have my own "list"...As many do...But, why don't you give us yours...Please feel free to enlighten us all on who can unite the fan base, maximize existing revenue sources & make UK relevant in the SEC (on the field & the recruiting trail) & do so in short order. (I can name 1 w/ 100% certainty & he definitely has nothing to lose at this point!)
If you really think that hiring a second-tier name will do that...Make your case.
If you do not think that the BBN would bail on that second-tier name when he struggles early...Make your case.
If you do not agree that population base doesn't bring built-in recruiting advantages...Make your case.
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A second-tier name doesn't mean second-tier coach. MM is a fine coach and what he's done at SJSU is remarkable...But is he a name that will sell the BBN on returning in yr2 to CWS & spending our $$ on UK FB, if/when he struggles in yr1? I just do not think so.
If BP was to come in & go 2-10 in yr1...The BBN would likely give him time & the benefit of the doubt to get Joker's mess cleaned up...They KNOW he's won at the highest level & coached 2 teams to BCS bowl games. I can not see that happening if it's a Second-tier / no name recognition guy..W/ his program building coming at west coast WAC school!
After what this fanbase went thru the last 3 years, I doubt anyone is going to bail after the 1st year. MM has a lot of connections in the south, probably as many as the great BP. Even if Nick Saban took the UK job, there would have to be a transition period. Any coach has to have the time to put his system in with his players. No one knows what 2013 will bring, but it will be a definite improvement over 2011 & 2012.
Quit jumping to conclusions when no one knows what the future will bring. Give the new guy, no matter who he is, a chance.
I love this talk of " second tier". Shows how shallow some of our Internet fans are.
Ask vandy and ole miss if they think they got "second tier" hires. Franklin was on the staff of a fired Maryland group that was run out of college park. High freeze was at arky state last year and freaking LAMBUTH the year before.
In reality, macintyer would be a much better option than either of those. Macintyer has tons of sec connections, rebuilt the worst division one program in the nation and has done very well against their bcs opponents.
In reality, he's a very good candidate. He's not a "big name" but he is a damn good coach.
Is he at the topnof my list? No, but he would be a darn good hire.
BP has never taken over a team that has had a losing record before. So what makes you think he could do it now. He has aways built on someone elses success.
If you arevwilling to give a few years then you shouls be willing to give anyone a few years to build success before you yell fire _____________ .
This guy has proven he can build a program from that ground up that was awful. Personaly this sounds like the perfect guy for the job
There is no name. The UK Football program is a systemic failure and no coach will be able to fix it. History has proven this, the data proves it and the facts prove it. Therefore it is the only logical, rational conclusion to draw.
Secondly, you operate under a lot of assumptions with no actual evidence to back it up with your "desire" for Bobby Petrino. Assumptions are great for a hypothesis but you have to proof them.
Thirdly, I said your argument on recruiting was sound but that was just one factor. Only one man has been able to amass talent (and some of that was due to the previous coaching staff) to compete on par with the rest of the SEC and he did that by cheating and some other unsavory methods. And it is valid but it's only part of the equation and you don't offer anyway to solve it other than to hire "Coach X".
You would think he would wait to see what happens with Franklin and Vandy before he does anything because of his family history there.
Im not saying this is true or not but I wouldnt br surprised if talks with MacIntyre have actually taken place. Thats all I can say for now and by the way di any of you catch his game last night against LA Tech? It was an offensive explosion and very exciting.
This is a good point. Franklin might not be at Vandy much longer. I don't know if Vandy can catch lightning in a bottle again like they did with Franklin.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, and it has made all the difference (Frost).
My thoughts are as follows:
Petrino - shows administration's commitment to football, will take some lumps, but probably bring big donors back in, looking for a new coach in 2-3 years; will alienate some fans, but if he wins, they will come back.
Tuberville - has the historical record to succeed at UK, & I think he could get us to be more respectable overall with 6-8 wins a year, but nothing more long term
Jones - probably the safest hire for Mitch's sake. Most folks would be happy with this hire, and he is a good coach. I think he would get us to 6-7 wins a year with the occasional 9 win season.
MacIntyre - this is my pick. Not the sexiest name out there, but I feel he has the highest overall upside for this program. He has ties to the SEC, not getting a lot of publicity but flat out gets it done. I like that he has coached both sides of the ball as well.
You can also check out some additional statistical information at the link below:
Its all about year three (or before) in college football. Records for coaches we have heard of or are of interest in this search are liste
This post was edited by Cats Den 17 months ago
Hop, it seems that you are going to come on here and prop up pretty much anyone that Mitch hires as a "great hire". Out of curisity, is there anyone Mitch could hire(outside of Petrino) that you would leave you saying "enough is enough" in your unabashed support?
I believe you are correct to a point when you say that the problem at UK is more than just at the HC position and it does go deeper than that. However where I differ from your staement is I believe the football program can be fixed but there would have to be more changes than just the coaching staff. I will leave it at that because I dont want to start another uproar about other changes I have mentioned earlier, but the good news is it can be repaired the only question is will the administration take the neccessary steps to get it done.
If UK FB is beyond repair...Then Eli/BOT/UKAA might as well hire the least expensive HC & staff. Keep the recruiting budget at a minimum & stop investing in FB all together...They should ONLY care about maximizing the profits to keep the rest of the ATH DEPT solvent, UK MBB relevant.
Oh, that's right...They've basically done that exact thing for the better part of the last 60yrs.
BP has let it be known he wants the UK job....And if he is not hired, but some guy that most BBN fans have ever heard of is...That guy better be a Hugh Freeze/James Franklin type w/ success in short-order or the natives will be beyond restless! And if you can not see that, then you have your own systematic failure to deal w/.
Im not going into why I think you shouldnt want BP because frankly it wouldnt do any good, but let me say 1 thing and it is, BP hasnt been considered and will never be the coach here, of that I have no doubt so 1thing I will suggest is be happy with who they hire and hope he can turn the program around at least a moderate amount. Like I said the program can be fixed and not just partly so, but fixed to most peoples satisfaction but it wont be because the powers at be will simply not commit to change from top to bottom.
MM ' may' not initially bring donors out doesnt mean that he can't or won't. Who knows, this guy may b the best salesman out there willing to take this job, ala James Franklin at Vandy.
As far as recruiting goes, he did sign the best class from WAC last yr so he did out recruithis peers at SJSU which tells me that he must be a good saleaman.
Hes not stupid about what it will take in order to win n this league and we as fans have no idea who he knows that would join his staff.
This is why your opinions and views are flawed and uninformed.
Blanton Collier had a staff of some of the best football minds to coach the game, college or pro. Fans didn't like him, said he couldn't recruit, lost games and got fired.
That's just one example. There are many more.
Blanton Collier left UK over 50yrs ago. And though he left UK w/ a over-all winning record...He was well under .500 in the SEC, even w/ Knox, Shnelly, Shula on his staff.
Which plays right into your "UK FB is a systematic failure" quote from above...BP is so far from the status quo at UK...It's probably the BEST choice they could go w/...As they have not succeeded when sticking to the conventional wisdom of those in charge the last 60yrs.
Sonny dykes, mike leach, Neal brown. Off the top of my head. Head coach at Utah state doesn't excite me much either.
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Source just told me UK could announce coach tomorrow or Tuesday. My guess is MacIntyre
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