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Two perspectives here:
On one hand you have a troubled young man trying to act tough on the sidelines and Woods basically calling him on his crap. I cannot say I would've handled that differently.
On the other hand, you have to know when to punish that kind of behavior, and doing so on the floor at Rupp Arena is probably not the time. Those issues should be addressed at practice and I would make the young man run until he couldn't move, then run some more.
I hope this blows over and coach Woods doesn't lose his job over it.
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving all of my Catspause brethren!!!
LOL.....you hit the nail on the head mine Big Blue Brethren! Did anyone hear the guy that called in on the Post Game Show? Was sitting behind the bench.....apparently the kid dropped some "F" Bombs on Sean, or a UK player.... Let the man make men!
Again, not the issue. No one has a problem with him getting in the kid's face after the fact. After he ran his mouth. The shove that initiated it all came before the kid said a word.
Carl......I could be wrong about this. I was wrong once about 30 years ago...if I'm not mistaken. However, the kid was dropping "F Bombs" as he was leaving the court....before arriving at the bench.....a.k.a. The place where the "shove" occurred. So no.....I stand by my first observation. Take some testosterone, grow a pair, and man up.
You're wrong. He said nothing. If he did it was off camera so you'd have no proof. And even if he did drop the f-bomb it wouldn't justify laying his hands on the kid. It's funny how so-called tough guys equate a grown man pushing a kid to manhood. It doesn't take a man to push a kid half your size although I'm guessing the people that keep talking about this being manly have pushed around people half their size all their lives.
This apparently isnt the 1st case of Woods doing this to a player. I didnt say I wanted him fired I said he may be fired my MHSU. And yes if he hit/shoved my son for something that cant be identified clearly and he has had previous episodes of treating his players similar to this then I wouldnt allow my son to be treated like that. Andy Katz reported other incidents during another game he was covering involving MHSU.
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You dont make men by hitting/shoving them and Woods it has reported has done similar things to his players before as seen and reported by Andy Katz. I understand that sometimes you have to get in the face of some of these kids but Woods did go over the line. Shockeyfork said I said he should be fired but thats not what I said at all. I said he could be fired if this and other ocurrences have taken place. I suggest that Shockeyfork read the comment accurately so he/she may quote it accurately. And yes if my son was having to go through this kind of treatment I wouldnt let him become a man like that. Abuse is learned not genetic and men dont abuse they teach.
Professor Im kind of surprised in the way you reacted to this situation. You have to remember these kids are more than statistics and probabilities they are young and pick up other peoples behavior like a vacuum cleaner. Some of these kids have had similar experiences back home and they surely dont need from the guy they play ball for. Im well aware that coaches have to get these players attention sometimes on a daily basis but Woods just took it too far. I had Coach Curci in my face several times for something stupid that I had done but not once did he hit or shove me like Woods did.
Fist time I've agreed with Hot Karl in a long time. The whole thing was uncalled for. That kid played his heart out for Woods and Woods embarrassed him in front of everybody. In this day and age you cannot get physical with a kid. Its gonna go viral in no time. Its not fair to the kid and frankly its stupid. Its takes away from what the kid and the team accomplished on the court which was a hell of an effort by those kids. For what really?? To prove you have all the power as coach. Thats not gonna get you respect. Treating these kids right and making them better players is what in the end will earn their respect. Not overbearing cussing and power. This isn't the 80's Sean. Good luck recruiting.
I find this whole thing rather funny. You have everyone reaching conclusions as to why it happened and that the player was totally innocent in the whole mess. You also have everyone saying that Woods should not have yelled at the player. The shove may have been excessive but it was not as drastic as some are making it out to be. As for the yelling, are you kidding me? Coaches cant raise their voice now? Our society is becoming so weak and intolerable to any criticism or correction of any kind. People need to get a grip and stop with trying to turn everything into some sort of abuse. Perhaps if there was a little more discipline given to young people there wouldnt be so much disrespect and acting out on the part of kids.
It's funny how people can see the same thing and think totally different things. When I saw this happen I rewound it watched it again and again and again, like 10 times. Partly it was extremely entertaining to watch, but I was trying to figure out what pissed him off so bad. From what I could tell he was mad that his PG allowed himself to foul out of the game on such a dumb foul while UK was within reach in crunch time. Then the camera didn't catch something that really sent him over the edge. I can only assume that the player spouted off to him because the closest assistant was trying to get up in the kids face too. Then the kid said something else back to Woods and that's when he grabbed his shoulder and pushed him out of the way and toward the bench to go sit down. Then the kid said something again, and the assistant had to restrain the kid as Woods started yelling at him again. So finally the kid makes it to the bench, and after Woods gave his team some instruction he came down to where the kid was on the bench and said a few more words to him that didn't really look encouraging. So the camera zooms in pretty close on the kids face and you can see him go from extreme anger, to frustration, and finally to sadness as he begins to tear up. For the next few minutes I watched him on the bench when the camera panned by and he had his head buried in a towel.
At no point in all of these replays did I ever think that Woods was out of line. He was obviously restraining himself, because he had to actually freeze himself and let the anger pass for a second before he really did something physical to the kid. I have to assume that this kid was the one out of line, and I'd love to know what he was saying. All I know for sure is that his lips were moving constantly and his head and body were swaying back and forth like a person will do when they are showing aggression towards someone. He was doing this the entire time that Woods was, let's say, "coaching" him. I have to think that this wasn't the first behavior related incident that Woods and his assistants had with that player. It appeared to be a final straw type of moment, but I can't attest to that with any personal knowledge, of course. I'd hate to see Woods get in any real trouble for it, and it would be a complete travesty if he was to somehow have his job status or career effected by it.
“People who live in the past are afraid to compete in the present. There's no future in it.” -- Sparky Anderson
Listen I don't care what any person onthis site or onthe street says. YOU DON'T EVER EVER TOUCH A KID EVER. YOU CAN YELL AT HIM CUSSSSSSS AT HIM BUT NEAVER EVER TOUCH HIM.
Now in the real world that is called 4th degree assult. On the street any place that is what it is called.
I don't care if that kid killed 4 people in his past if woods gave him a chance fine. But you kick him off the team for calling out the coach. But you don't touch him.
And there is no excuse that can be made up by anyone to change this.
Whatever you say man! He didn't do anything but push him toward the bench. These aren't grade school kids we're talking about, they are grown men. Woods didn't physically hurt the guy in any way whatsoever. By your comments I'd be surprised if you even saw the argument. It looks like you only read about it.
I think you are mistaken about a couple of points#1. I have read all the comments on this thread and maybe I missed 1 but I didnt read anyones comment that said Woods shouldnt have yelled at the kid.#2. I didnt read anywhere that said the kid was completely innocent in the matter, and I did see him say something but Im not sure what was said, because if you do please let us all know. I believe in discipline but there are appropriate ways and times to administer that disciipline not in front of the fans at Rupp and the people watching on TV. Perhaps I shouldnt have mentioned abuse but I have worked with people on a professional level that have experienced abuse and perhaps others dont agree with what I define abuse as and watching something like that on TV isnt enough to say its absolutely abuse, the kid would have to interviewed in person and maybe on multiple occasions to make a correct diagnosis.
This was all over Sportscenter, they talked about it all day yesterday
And I know you didn't see it or saw it the way you wanted because the kid didn't say anything before Woods shoved him. I know you said you assumed a lot. You know what they say about assuming.
@ jasonukfan, I'm sorry to tell you I saw the game and the argument and Woods was out of line for shoving him under any circumstances. It is assault when you shove or hit a player or another person, so you are wrong, and I did rewind it over and over and Woods is wrong and should be disciplined accordingly.
I will concede one thing to the people that are fine with physical violence by coaches in college basketball. The coverage is getting to be too much now. I was fine with it for a couple days. It's an important and interesting debate so I get the coverage at first. But still talking about it at every break on ESPN is getting a bit much. The MSU administration is partly to blame because they are dragging their feet on punishment, if they even do punish him. The offense was very public so I think the reprimand should be public as well.
And just an afterthought for those that think physical violence makes real men. Cal has never laid a hand on a player. Are you saying Cal doesn't mold real men? And before you say, "yeah but Cal has never had a hard case like the kid Woods shoved", I say bullshit. Camby and Cousins come to mind. Another thought I forgot to mention that I even said at the time of the incident, "I wonder if he would have puched Cousins for the same thing. I'd like to see that". I'd like to see it because Cousins woulda knocked him flat on his ass, which is exactly what he deserved.
Theres supposed to be something come out from the MHU AD today sometime. These people that think its ok to do what Woods did and tell people who disagree to "grow a pair or man up" probably treat the boys in their lives like that and really dont think theres anything wrong with it, but they are wrong. It does imeasurable damage.just Also your right about the media coverage this is getting,I think the media outlets take these things and keep running with them way too long.
I just now saw the video. I did not think it was that bad a deal. I've seen Bob Knight do a ton worse, and he was revered.
I'm pretty sure the NCAA has hand check rules, but the referees should be instructed to execute it like NBA refs. I absolutely hate watching that kind of game. Louisville and most BE teams play that way. Hand checks, bumping the ball handler, smacking slashers on the arms, etc. are all fouls. Watch the Big East and find me a team that doesn't do this constantly. Syracuse isn't as bad, but they play that little girl zone crap.
Nate, speaking of handcheck rules and refs have you seen the piece on how D. Willis and the way other HS teams played him last year has brought a pretty big change in how the games are going to be called? They said that in Trinitys game against Willis and his team in the Sweet16 last year they mugged him all game long and Willis said after the game he was covered with new bruises and there were too many to count. Now I am not saying it should be called so close that it hinders the flow of the game but a consistent way of calling a game is very important.IMO
Didn't see that. Consistency is very important, but referees should call a foul when one is committed. I don't care if one team fouls fifty times and the other five. That's one thing about the pro game that I truly enjoy better than the college game. It's not a hack-a-thon, but an actual basketball game. Hey, the pros even fine you for flopping! Ha.
What would Duke do if they put the NBA rule on flopping in the NCAA/ They definately would have to stop doing it or get boosters to pony up the costs of the flops..
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