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Read on another site (BBK) that Timmons is visiting Arkansas this week and there is a possibility that he may verbal to them. If Timmons goes to Ark & with Bivens to ND, it doesn't look good for UK this year in regards to in-state recruiting especially when the Trinity kids aren't giving UK a look. To be successful, UK has to get the majority of the in-state kids especially the ones outside of Louisville. To lose a kid like Timmons from your backyard to Ark (if that happens) would be a big blow to Joker and his recruiting efforts in-state. Especially when you consider no one even knows who the head coach at Arkansas will be in 2013.
Timmons is a key guy for UK, and it's always great when you get a talented player whose blood bleeds blue, but I disagree that UK has to get the majority of in-state kids to be successful. Florida and Georgia are far more important to the lifeblood of the program. This state will never produce enough guys annually to be a "make or break" type deal.
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I try not to get too broke up over every instate kid that chooses to go out of state. Some of these kids just don't want to go to a school close to home and that is their choice to make.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by USMCatFan 21 months ago
Winston Guy was once an Arkansas verbal. That worked it self out didn't it?
How could somebody choose Arkansas right now? There coach has a 10 month contract. Who knows who it'll be next year. If they do bad they might lose some commits.
Annually there are very few 4-5 star players from Kentucky. I would think it's necessary to get some of them but impossible to get all. I realize the commitment from Hyde is big but you can't afford to let the top players go to other programs. Does a 3 star from FL or GA equal a 4 star from KY? Maybe you can't live off KY kids but it is a good foundation for the program. You mix 3 -5 of the top players from KY with players from GA, FL & AL then you have the makings for a good class. I agree. You can't rely on KY kids only.
It just shows how bad things are if Timmons who Joker has courted for over a year chooses them in their situation... I feel different about the instate recruiting then some do... I agree it is important to get good out of state players but there comes a time when we need to be able to lock down our own state if we ever hope to really play for a SEC title... If we have to take kids that GA and half the SEC doesn't want how do we ever expect to beat em? Yes it is possible but our chances are super slim and our window is very small without the Ryan Timmons and Hunter Bivin types... Not trying to sound like Beeotch but I long for a day when we can have the horses to compete with other SEC teams blow for blow like we did in 07 sorda... What Rich Brooks done in 07-08 was nothing short of amazing... I don't see us going out of state and landing kids like Chapman, West, Cobble, Miller, Warford or Peters...
Until we can land 4 or 5 of the Bivin, Timmons types every year we are going to struggle... I know it's become cliche but if Vandy can do it we should be able to as well... How do we ever expect to win those battles against Vandy, Miss St etc if we can't recruit our own states best players like they do?
And John L has MANY personal problems, like Chapter 11.
Does it show how bad things are? Or is it just par for the course? We've never really gotten players like Timmons before on a regular basis. And Arkansas, although in a bad situation, is going to pony up for a decent coach.....they are going to continue to recruit decently enough.....they are going to pack the stadium.....they are going to continue to have a fanbase that is all about football first.....they are going to have admin support....etc. Arkansas will continue to be decent.
Certainly a plausible viewpoint with the effort UK is putting on Timmons & with AR a mess yet he still chooses AR.
I agree with this 100%. UK will certainly be in the bottom of the SEC if we were to try and live off of recruits from KY, but in order to move up the proverbial ladder in the SEC we can't simply continuing on the path where most elite level prospects (I'm talking truly ELITE level prospects who rarely pass through the state of KY, not the Bubba Tandy's of the world who may be highly rated in the state, but aren't that highly sought after outside the state) choose to go elsewhere. Just imagine what UK could be if the top players in the state over the last 3 years (including this year) elected to have some state pride and were excited about going to UK in order to change things there. I know we get some (Towles, Hyde, etc.), but if the majority of the truly elite guys in KY stayed home at UK every year like they do in most states, and all we had to do was fill otu the rest of the class with 3* or better guys from GA, FL, AL, MS, SC, TN, LA, etc., our chances of moving up in the SEC would be a LOT greater.
Don't get mad at me for stating the obvious. You are right, but we are the instate school that's been on him forever and built a relationship. We should have a advantage since we haven't changed coaching staffs just yet... No since in getting upset with me.
Kind of a chicken or the egg debate. No, depending heavily on Kentucky kids wont make UK a winning team. However, when UK is winning we do very well as far as gathering in the instate kids, even those with good options outside the state.
It sorda sounds like you are describing the recruiting standards the next coach must meet... I agree, people we can beat around the bush all day long but kids like Eatmon, Mitchell and Tristian Johnson aren't going to win us SEC games. I know that's brutal but it's true. Some that have never played the game don't understand... Some just don't see it, they think it's all about the coaching or all about the play-calling/game-plan but it's not, especially not in college football... In BB playing as a unit or team means everything but football is alittle different, everyone needs to play together with one goal in mind but football is about each player winning their individual battles. It doesn't matter if it's the qb vs the safety, RB vs the LB, the WR vs the db... Football is all about winning those one on one battles... We must start landing kids with heart and toughness like we had under Brooks... I really think team strength and toughness are two areas we lacked last year...
It seems like many have been goin nuts because we haven't been recruiting FL hard enough...now nearly have of our commits are from the sunshine state and now we aren't recruiting in state kids...
Just me but if i have to choose between the two...
Ill take FL kids over instate kids every time.
With that said, id love to pull the better instate talent, but as many have already said, we can build a winner with kids from FL, GA and so on...KY...not so much.
It's brutal but not necessarily true. It's your opinion. Let's not pretend that playing football or not playing football makes your opinion factual or uninformed.
Eatmon, Mitchell, and Johnson are all members of the football team. They don't deserve any harsh criticism from spectators. Eatmon in particular still has three years of eligibility left, including this season. Let's not single players out as not quality, or not capable, or lacking heart or toughness.
It's fine to talk about needing to improve recruiting or talent level (or even toughness) as a whole but singling out players and calling them out on a message board by name is a little overboard.
Well, Timmons hasn't recruited to the Hogs just yet. Let's hope he doesn't pull the trigger and instead opts to commit to UK sometime before his senior season starts. No single recruit is make or break, but Timmons is an important recruit for the staff.
It should be, if a kid is from Ky and is good enough for us to want him- that kid should never choose a middling program.
I can see the allure to a SoCal, Ohio St or ND - but if we lose every in-state battle for a kid we WANT to UofL, Illinois or Vandy...questions should be asked as to where our program is headed.
Not saying we're at that point, but if we get there it's time to reevaluate.
Good article linked below from the Arkansas 247 site, with lots of good background info on the factors in Timmons' recruitment. One of Franklin County's assistants played for John L. Smith at UofL, so they definitely have an in there. The Franklin County head coach quoted in this interview sounds pretty enamored with Arkansas and chummy with its coaching staff. The articles does acknowledge that distance from home could be a factor to Timmons' (or to his mother, at least). Says Arkansas is selling him on being the next Joe Adams.
One other note of interest, I checked Arkansas' Rivals board, and there was no chatter whatsoever re Timmons. There are just a handful of posts responding to the article linked below from their 247 site. He'd be perceived as a huge get by UK fans, meanwhile.
Arkansas is set to host four-star athlete Ryan Timmons on an unofficial visit, and Hawgs247 spoke to Timmons coach Thursday to see how things stand. Go inside for the latest.
Not many players (at any program) suddenly get good their 3rd or 4th yr in the program. Its one thing to not make an impact until then due to depth, but its another thing to not grasp things or develop for 2 or 3 yrs. In the later situation, they rarely suddenly "get it" and turn into an impact player, no matter how badly the fans want them to.
Sorry todd, but your 100% wrong. It just takes common sense to someone who mildly follows recruiting to see that. When comparing states like Fl and Georgia to Ky it is abundantly obvious that they produce 10 times the talent (especially Florida), so your statement would be true IF the Floridas and Georgias of the world gave out 10X the schollys, but they don't. They have te same number (typically) to offer that we have. So, anyone with half a brain looking at that situation could easily see that taking those states scraps is better than making a living of our 'top' in state talent.
That being said, am I pissed that the best In-state players don't want to come to UK?? Hell yeah, but I am not going to throw out all reason (as you are notorious for doing) because of it. The solution is really quite simple: We need to win more to make our top in state players want to come here over the big boys. If we wanna win more, we need to recruit better players. If we need to recruit better players, we need to absolutely live in Florida and Georgia (breaking into Ohio would be nice as well). That's it. That's the strategy we need, and seems to be the one being employed. It is what it is with the in state guys right now, get over it. Should Joker and co. waste resources on fighting losing battles or go where the talent and competition is 10 fold better??? That's a rhetorical question btw.
This post was edited by MossCat15 21 months ago
See my above post, only tone down the sarcasm toward you lol. I am not disagreeing nevessarily, but winning is the only way to "find a way" to keep these in-state guys. To win, we need to absolutely live off the 3 star scraps left behind by the Floridas and Georgias of the world.
Imagine a top flight 5 star Alabama player picking them over us in basketball right now. Would you blame there coach for not getting him? Perspective. Luckily for us we have more options to pursue than Alabama basketball.
These guys will spin the truth or lies to fit their agenda.
Yea it's obvious we are getting all the kids Clemson, Fla St, Ga Tch, Va Tch, SC, GA, FLA, BAMA wants... After 30+ teams take who they want there still plenty of SEC talent left in GA and FLA... Yea right... Do you really expect Joker to win games despite the fact we are getting hammered on the trail??? That's a rhetorical question btw... If some of you guys really believe we can win games without landing the Thomas Chapman's and PT's from our own state every year you are dead wrong, we won't...
Spot on. What continues to amaze me is that posters like Todd continue to pass judgement on players that they have never watched play a down of
Football. It just goes to show that jr has no desire to seek the truth and only cares to push a factless agenda.
Oh, no. I'm not mad at all. I just didn't know what you were trying to say when you mentioned "just shows how bad things are." Are you making a jab at Joker and staff......or just UK football in general through the yrs? I took it as UK football in general through the yrs. When you take it that way I would say that a school like Arkansas has the advantage over UK in a Kentucky HS recruit.....in most cases. I think UK would have the advantage over Middle Tennessee State University.....or even over Indiana....but not necessarily Arkansas.
Think if it were reversed. Both UK and Arkansas were fighting over a basketball recruit from Arkansas. Granted there is something to say about the in-state school (and Arkansas does have some basketball history), but UK would have the advantage I think.
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