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Top Coaches... We Should Seriously Consider

  • Most of you guys are simply not aiming high enough... WE NEED A ROCK STAR!!! We want a coach who ALL kids would love to play for... a coach WORTHY of the highest paid salary in College football, because THAT'S what it's gonna take to build a championship caliber program. Pete Carroll and Urban Meyer are the best of the best... there may be one or two more who ranks in the same class. The bottom line is.... we should NOT settle for less.

    PAY WHATEVER IT TAKES!!!

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  • Comebakatz said... (original post)

    Been asking for this for a while now from other people. Maybe I can get a good answer from you. Why Mike Leach? What makes you have confidence in the guy? I know he did pretty good at Texas Tech, but he really mostly just won 7-9 games there. That is with Texas talent and in a weaker conference. So what makes you so confident that he can come to UK, recruit good talent despite not having the Texas recruiting base and then help us to win 7-9 games in the stronger SEC?

    I understand that his offense is high powered and fun, but I am just not a fan of a long term gimmick offense in the SEC. I just don't think it will work. It might work for a few years, but once people catch on to it then we'll be back to getting killed by UT, etc. I know Leach was fun when he was here, but the SEC has gotten much stronger and we wouldn't be getting those easy wins over Vandy, Miss. State, and even LSU, like we were when he was here before. It is going to be much tougher and I am just not sold on the guy. So, I plead to you... sell the guy to me. Convince me otherwise...

    My thoughts on Leach are he runs the kind of wide open offense kids want to come and play in, he also has a reputation for winning and being in close games, sure he lost most of his games with Texas but he lost them 44-34 while going balls to the wall for a win and slinging it around. I would prefer to lose like that than watch Randy Sanders call another joke play and lose meekly!

    I don't think Leach's offense is a gimmick, it produced for quite a few years with different QBs and different WRs, everyone said it would go downhill once Crabtree went to the NFL, some kid I can't remember the name of stepped up and started having 200 yard games! (I might need to check that stat so correct me if you want to go digging and im wrong)

    Also Leach has an interesting personality and is well known among recruits, he's a coach people have heard of. I bet a lot of kids don't even know who Joker is until they ask, that wouldn;t be the case with Leach! Do you not think we could get behind a coach who's going to go for it every time rather than one who supports play calling like a pansy that flat gets us beat?!

    Thats my shot, let me know if you're convinced ;)

  • Please somebody explain to me the fascination with Gus Malzahn

    Here is a man who as OC at Arkansas had Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis et.al. at his disposal all at same time and purposely chose not to use any of them,

    Why, because he was bound and determined to build the offense around the player who he had made his name as a high school coach,...the soon to be hall of famer Mitch Mustain. (sarcasm)

    So bad it was that Houston Nutt (no coaching genius either) had to strip him of all of his OC duties for the good of the team.

    Neither Mustain or Malzahn were around Arkansas long after this.

    Yes, he caught lightning in a bottle with Cam last year, but anyone remember what a joke Auburns offense was when we down there and beat them in 09?? One gimmick after another....and generally a farce.

    Whoever gets him as a HC, and lord knows I hope Its never UK......good luck with THAT!

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  • That's just it though. Leach's offense is a gimmick. You said yourself that his offense makes kids want to come play for him. You didn't say his offense will win a championship or help us to win more games. His offense consists of throwing the ball 40-60 times a game which tends to put points in the board, but it also leaves the defense on the field forever.....meaning that you get scored on a lot.

    His offense worked in the Big12 which most would agrees has on average lesser defenses than the SEC....would it work as well?

    If the offense were to change it would be more beneficial to go with a spread which can be fairly balanced running/throwing. It's designed to get the ball in the hands of playmakers and to minimize the deficiencies in the o-line. You could argue that Leach's offense does the same, but he doesn't run the ball enough to be balanced.

    Ask yourself this: If Leach's offense is so great, why don't more teams run it? And of the teams that do run similar styles (Houston, etc) how many are in the biggest conferences? Now ask yourself why that is?

    Full disclosure: I don't find Leach's style of play all that appealing. If I were to build a perfect team it would be like Bama or Michigan of old. Solid defense and an offense that is 60/40 run to pass ratio. Still, despite my bias it doesn't change the fact that Leach's offense would likely not be as effective as a spread.

  • bbn15 said... (original post)

    UKAA needs to put up the money to get the right guy here. Here's my top choices:

    1. Brent Pease Boise State OC

    2. Gary Patterson TCU HC

    3. Mike Leach

    4. Bronco Mendenhall BYU HC

    Yeah that sounds good. 3 guys that coach out West should really lock down the South for us in recruiting.

  • I find it strange how fickle peoples memories are. Pease was our OC under Morriss and people complained about how conservative he was in comparison to Dumme.

    Leach is a good OC, but a terrible HC. Can anyone else remember a "head Case" of a Head coach that did well at a Texas school before coming to UK. Leach and Billy G are cut from the same cloth.

    Malzahn has accomplished nothing without Cam Newton under center. Look at his O with Chris Todd and Mitch Mustain. This year AU QB Trotter is only averaging right at 200 yards passing a game.

  • Comebakatz said... (original post)

    Been asking for this for a while now from other people. Maybe I can get a good answer from you. Why Mike Leach? What makes you have confidence in the guy? I know he did pretty good at Texas Tech, but he really mostly just won 7-9 games there. That is with Texas talent and in a weaker conference. So what makes you so confident that he can come to UK, recruit good talent despite not having the Texas recruiting base and then help us to win 7-9 games in the stronger SEC?

    I understand that his offense is high powered and fun, but I am just not a fan of a long term gimmick offense in the SEC. I just don't think it will work. It might work for a few years, but once people catch on to it then we'll be back to getting killed by UT, etc. I know Leach was fun when he was here, but the SEC has gotten much stronger and we wouldn't be getting those easy wins over Vandy, Miss. State, and even LSU, like we were when he was here before. It is going to be much tougher and I am just not sold on the guy. So, I plead to you... sell the guy to me. Convince me otherwise...

    Leach averaged 8.4 games per year in a conference where his program had inferior facilities, support, and location to UT, A&M, Oklahoma, OSU, Nebraska, and Colorado. He figured out that to get to 8-9 wins every year you had to have a strong defense. He hired a strong D-Coordinator and put good defenses on the field his last 5-6 years. He went to a BCS bowl. Let's face it, the SEC is stronger than the Big 12, but if you can beat Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska you can compete in the SEC. Leach accomplished those goals. Additionally and maybe more importantly, Leach would have us on ESPN highlight reels every week. Most of the time for big plays on the field, but also sometimes for post game interviews. Publicity is a great thing. Just ask Cal!!!

    If not Leach, I would support paying Neal Brown, Kentucky Boy, $500k plus per year to come in as the offensive coordinator. He may actually be able to save Joker. He did a great job at Troy and now is putting up HUGE numbers at Texas Tech.

  • Leach: Most on here would argue that 8.4 wins in the Big12 calculates to 6-7 wins in the SEC. He also had to play Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, and K St. All of which would have major trouble in the SEC.

    My first calls would be Kirby Smart and John Chavis.

  • Leach never coached Texas Tech to a BSC bowl game. Please stop comparing the Big 12 to the SEC and that somehow Texas Tech's situation is like what Kentucky faces, you are embarrassing yourself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_bowl_games

  • I can understand why people like Leach and I wouldn't mind him here if we really didn't have any other option, but so many people seem to want him as their first choice. Every time a coaching change comes around Leach is brought up as though he is our savior. I just don't get that. Like I said, he won 8-9 games in the Big 12, but the Big 12 is an easier league than the SEC. They don't play the same style of football that the SEC does and that might mean an average of a few more losses. That means we only win 6-7 games each year. That might be better than the road we're heading down now, but that kind of record certainly isn't what I'd want out of my number 1 pick for head coach.

    As far as the defense thing goes... in 2008, Leach's best year ever, his defense gave up 362 points. To put that into perspective, Kentucky's defense gave up 369 points in a much tougher league last season. So, his defense would come to Kentucky and do largely the same if not worse than our defense now. That doesn't lead me to believe that we'd be pulling off 8-9 win seasons under Leach.

    I don't know though, maybe the Leach fans are right, but I just don't understand why so many people want him as their number 1 choice when there are guys just as exciting out there.

  • Matt said on the radio show last night "they are not going to fire him after two years'

    Its true they wont but I am beginning to wonder if Joker can get it done afterall.
    You see, UK fans have had enough of not beating UT and UF for 25 years.
    We are tired of hearing how good recruiting is going and then we never climb out of the celler ranking of the SEC in recruiting.
    We are over hearing that the HC is "angry too" type stuff.
    And it wears thin to hear over and over by media types and Joker that "not to listen to the noise" The noise as Brooks calls it are the concerns that are not being heard. Coach Phillips, Brooks was not perfect so dont think by always copying what he did , like promoting from within like he did - that it will help you be a winner. Big time teams dont always do that and you went and got Minter, good for you. but you left the job half finished.
    We either need a new OC that is not a superconservative play caller, or or you need to take the play calling back over like Steve Spurrier did last year with SC. He promply won the SEC-E. If you are happy with the playcalling and not angry about that, this team has a problem that will not be solved by you.

    By the way, please dont recruit quarterbacks that cant scramble and dont have pocket presence, are slow runners and are not accurate passers. How does a guy like that get recruited by a Dl school anyway if they arent good all around?

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  • Of course, any talk of any future HCs are premature, but I will say this.
    We can get a better coach than you think we can because the relative meager success we have enjoyed over recent years have elevated the status of the program in the eyes of fans, recruits and coaches.
    We cant get the level of coach like we have on the BB team but there is one out there somewhere and he might be an assistant that is competent and hungry and would gladly take the UK program and take it to the next level.
    MSU, VU, Arkansas, UT, are some schools that have chosen their new HC well. I believe even Houston Nutt is a very good coach and Mississippi will improve and I believe is recruiting fairly good. These schools are passing us up or will in the near future.
    So our AD should be pressed to go out and get us the very best HC he can get and fans should demand it the next time we have a need and we should not promote from within as Brooks so fondly touts, because it is not working out real good for us.

  • Whatever we do, we CANNOT convince ourselves that landing an Elite Level Coach... is impossible. We MUST aim high and set our sights on the best of the best... and offer them a contract and salary only a complete idiot would turn down. If we count ourselves out of the running for those highly ranked coaches, we are accepting mediocrity.... and the losses, let downs and frustrations will only continue. WE GOTTA THINK BIGGER!!!

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  • Actually after thinking about it a little and being realistic about it maybe Gary Patterson would be a damn good choice. Apparently he's a hell of a coach. He's a tough minded coach and always puts together good offenses and defenses. Fast D's at that which would be great in the SEC. Plus he has his finger on the pulse of the prospects in Texas that get passed up by Oklahoma and Texas. Pretty sure he could assemble a staff that could recruit the South. If you could just lock down the mid level prospects in Texas, Georgia, Miami and get the top kids from Kentucky you could build a hell of a program. Would it still be damn tough to get more than 2-3 SEC wins though. HELL YES!!

  • No 'Name' coach is going to come to UK for football. It just isn't going to happen.

    Leach = BCG No thanks unless it's as the OC
    Tubberville = Tubby Smith at best but more likely would be another Bill Curry. no thank you!

    The way UK has to go is stop going for old guys in their twilight years of coaching but rather go for the young up and comer who is innovative, passionate, and able to get the kids, fans, and donors to run through a brick wall cause they are able to motivate everyone.

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    Stoopified!

  • cobbycobb said... (original post)

    No 'Name' coach is going to come to UK for football. It just isn't going to happen.

    I'm sorry my friend... I just REFUSE to think like that. WE MUST AIM HIGHER! If South Carolina can do it (they went balls to the walls after Steve Spurrier)... then we (UK), damn sure CAN do it as well. It would be foolish to not even try.

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  • wildcatdon said... (original post)

    Malzahn does not excite me at all and I dont know where people come up with touting this guy..He coached Newton for one year and everyone thinks he is some kind of offensive genius...Forget him..

    You need to check your facts. He has a high powered offense every year, and coincidentally, the teams win when he is there.

    2006 - Arkansas: 10 wins
    2007 - Tulsa: 10 wins
    2008 - Tulsa: 11 wins
    2009 - Auburn: 8 wins
    2010 - Auburn: 14 wins

    55-16 as an OC with 3 Conference Titles and a National Title. He is also a very good recruiter. He is near the top of my list if that time comes.

  • We need a name brand. A guy whose already been in recruits living room either by his SEC recuiting efforts or via NFL broadcast on Sundays. My short lust (list):

    1). John Chavis
    2). Urban Meyer
    3). John Gruden
    4). Rob Ryan
    5). Jeff Fischer
    6). Gus Malzahn
    7). Bill Cowher
    8). Tony Dungy
    9). Kirby Smart
    10).Brian Billick
    11).Scott Linnehan
    12).Mike Leach
    13).Gary Peterson
    14).Jimmy Johnson
    15).Josh McDaniels

    ^ anyone associated with Bill Parcells' coaching tree gets my vote. As a Giants fan in the 80s and 90s it was a great feeling that you always had a chance in every game (regardless of personnel) because you had the best coach in the league.

    Coaching in football is everything. It is abundantly clear Joker will not be successful. There is no Coach alive who can reverse negative momentum that they themselves caused.... Historically, I can't think of a coach who did a career 180, can you?

  • Kooky Kats 247 said... (original post)

    We need a name brand. A guy whose already been in recruits living room either by his SEC recuiting efforts or via NFL broadcast on Sundays. My short lust (list):

    1). John Chavis 2). Urban Meyer 3). John Gruden 4). Rob Ryan 5). Jeff Fischer 6). Gus Malzahn 7). Bill Cowher 8). Tony Dungy 9). Kirby Smart 10).Brian Billick 11).Scott Linnehan 12).Mike Leach 13).Gary Peterson 14).Jimmy Johnson 15).Josh McDaniels

    ^ anyone associated with Bill Parcells' coaching tree gets my vote. As a Giants fan in the 80s and 90s it was a great feeling that you always had a chance in every game (regardless of personnel) because you had the best coach in the league.

    Coaching in football is everything. It is abundantly clear Joker will not be successful. There is no Coach alive who can reverse negative momentum that they themselves caused.... Historically, I can't think of a coach who did a career 180, can you?

    OOOH RAAAHHH!!!! thumbsup

    +1

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  • Cobby,I have to disagree with you also and go along with Jawjacker..We must reach higher
    and not think that a great coach wont come...Go for the gold...

    And I still will take a pass on Malzahn...Apparently I dont impress as easily as some here and that is ok..we are just giving opinions....I would gladly take the TCU coach though...He is a dandy I think..

  • Kooky Kats 247 said... (original post)

    We need a name brand. A guy whose already been in recruits living room either by his SEC recuiting efforts or via NFL broadcast on Sundays. My short lust (list):

    1). John Chavis 2). Urban Meyer 3). John Gruden 4). Rob Ryan 5). Jeff Fischer 6). Gus Malzahn 7). Bill Cowher 8). Tony Dungy 9). Kirby Smart 10).Brian Billick 11).Scott Linnehan 12).Mike Leach 13).Gary Peterson 14).Jimmy Johnson 15).Josh McDaniels

    ^ anyone associated with Bill Parcells' coaching tree gets my vote. As a Giants fan in the 80s and 90s it was a great feeling that you always had a chance in every game (regardless of personnel) because you had the best coach in the league.

    Coaching in football is everything. It is abundantly clear Joker will not be successful. There is no Coach alive who can reverse negative momentum that they themselves caused.... Historically, I can't think of a coach who did a career 180, can you?

    Urban Meyer, John Gruden, Bill Cowher, and Mike Leach would be big names that would bring excitement. Don't know a whole lot about Chavis with the exception that he is a 55+ year old career assistant. Some guys are just great assistants (see Charlie Weiss). I don't think Chavis works in this situation.

  • I am not even going to speculate on a head coach because I don't see Joker being forced out before the end of the 2013 season. However, I would like to see us make a run at Brent Peace as OC for 2012.

  • I would venture to say some of the same naysayers on here that didnt want Calipari are saying we cant get a name HC in football. Its all about being negative but the football team has improved since the LAST TIME WE WENT FOOTBALL COACH HUNTING and that will make a difference.
    If Bill Parcells once all but took the job there is another out there, so you are wrong if you think no name coach would come to UK.

  • miami said... (original post)

    What about Butch Davis UK fans?

    Possibly... but nowhere near the top of my list.

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