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UK Baseball and Gary Henderson

  • I don't follow UK baseball very much but I do like to watch a game here and there. I believe Henderson will get one more year and if things don't change Mitch will make a change.

    This post was edited by Whitaker568 3 years ago

  • I'm a little surprised there's so much passionate discussion about Henderson. To me, that at least indicates that a lot of people care about seeing UK have a strong baseball program. That's a good thing.

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  • College baseball has really been gaining popularity in recent years. My soon to be brother-in-law is an Ole Miss alum. They have a beautiful stadium and baseball is more popular there than mens basketball. Probably the same at LSU. UofL and WKU have had recent success and are drawing bigger and bigger crowds (with Western drawing an impressive 6k for the UK game last year).

    Excitement was building under Cohen, but unfortunately, that excitement has died with the program regressing under Henderson. Will be interesting to see what UK's administration does. Doubt they want to pull the trigger, but there are legitimate concerns re the direction of the program.

  • They should have anted up the money to keep Cohen. That is clear.

  • Whitaker568 said... (original post)

    I don't follow UK baseball very much but I do like to watch a game here and there. I believe Henderson will get one more year and if things don't change Mitch will make a change.

    Giving him one more year will set us back 5.

    Move him now while we still have talent on the roster.

  • Jeremy Grey said... (original post)

    College baseball has really been gaining popularity in recent years. My soon to be brother-in-law is an Ole Miss alum. They have a beautiful stadium and baseball is more popular there than mens basketball. Probably the same at LSU. UofL and WKU have had recent success and are drawing bigger and bigger crowds (with Western drawing an impressive 6k for the UK game last year).

    Excitement was building under Cohen, but unfortunately, that excitement has died with the program regressing under Henderson. Will be interesting to see what UK's administration does. Doubt they want to pull the trigger, but there are legitimate concerns re the direction of the program.

    I think attendance may be the only thing that makes Mitchell consider firing him. Our attendance under Henderson is not good at all. People will blame the weather, but that's not the reason. I went to exactly one game this year for 3 innings...

    I was averaging probably 75% of the home games under Cohen.

  • We allowed 201 runs vs SEC competition. 11th in the league (UT 210)

    South Carolina and Vandy COMBINED allowed 181.

    We scored 145 runs.

    So, on average we were outscored 2 runs a ballgame.

    Time for a change.

    Give the ladies the baseball stadium for softball (because it's just a glorified softball field anyway...afterthought). Hire a proven coach and build a new stadium...and ask that the Legends move out of town so we are not competing with them for attendance.

  • ukfit said... (original post)

    They should have anted up the money to keep Cohen. That is clear.

    Wasn't about the money, IMHO. He was going back to MSU sooner or later, and the timing had to do with UK's talent level peaking about a year after the SEC title.

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  • Jeremy Grey said... (original post)

    Exactly right. Barnhart told Cohen they'd come up with more $$ than Miss. State to keep him. It was about Cohen wanting to return to his alma mater.

    Barnhart says a lot. Cohen also had a clause in his contract that said he could walk if a new stadium had not been started by a certain date. I'm not sure we could have kept Cohen but we didn't try very hard to do the things he was wanting. Just like Brooks.

  • blue mold said... (original post)

    Barnhart says a lot. Cohen also had a clause in his contract that said he could walk if a new stadium had not been started by a certain date. I'm not sure we could have kept Cohen but we didn't try very hard to do the things he was wanting. Just like Brooks.

    But that's the problem Barnhart is constantly fighting. We NEED a new baseball stadium, we need a recruiting room and other upgrades to Commonwealth Stadium, the softball complex never should have been built (mainly due to the softball team moving into a modified Cliff Hagen Stadium) and to a greater point the last renovation to The Cliff should have never happened (under Ivy).......but all anyone (with any kind of money) want to talk about is a new Rupp Arena.

    UK Athletics are stuck behind the 8 ball of YEARS of mismanagement. When we should be in a position to grow these minor sports the infrastructure is not there.

    I have hope, I just keep looking at the UK Hoops team and know we have the right AD to get us there.

  • Not so sure I agree. UK has always been able to raise money for basketball, but not the other sports. I don't think Barnhart has mismanaged anything....JMO.

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  • Barnhart is not the Federal Reserve - He can't print money.

    Sports revenues may not be sufficient build everything that is wanted or needed. He has to go out to beg, borrow, and steal it from Alumni. They need to open their purse strings.

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  • Jeremy Grey said... (original post)

    Wow, you sure do dislike yourself some Mitch Barnhart.

    I'm tired of all the talk Matt. We've been hearing way too much talk since 2007.

  • 7lives said... (original post)

    Barnhart is not the Federal Reserve - He can't print money.

    Sports revenues may not be sufficient build everything that is wanted or needed. He has to go out to beg, borrow, and steal it from Alumni. They need to open their purse strings.

    If he would offer up a plan, I'm sure he would get the money or at least part of it. Expecting the fans just to plop down money for his treasure chest is not going to happen. No UK can't do everything. We have to take care of the revenue sports first and maximize our income and then take care of baseball, softball and whatever else. You can't ignore the non-revenue sports, but you do what you can do.

    A lot of these issues are problems Barnhart has inherited. However, his counterpart down I-64 has run laps around him as far as being able to build facilities for his sports programs with a much smaller budget. However it was done does not matter, he found a way to get it done and they are not bankrupt. I don't like they take money FROM the University of Louisville and it's students but he got it done and eventually they can stop fleecing the University because the revenue is going to be there because they invested in it.

    UK sports has been mismanaged since The Bear walked the sidelines. Barnhart is the best we have had at UK but even he is talking more than doing.

    I agree with the poster above that the softball complex should have never been built. They should have given softball Cliff Hagan Stadium and that would have been an outstanding facility (probably the best in the country for softball) and then moved the baseball stadium out where the softball stadium was constructed.

    I know Barnhart is doing the best that he thinks he can do. I don't think he is doing the best the he can do. It's time for someone else to get a shot or show us a plan for how we are going to do everything that needs to be done over the next decade or so. That's what leaders do. Show us what you intend to do and show us what we can do to help you meet those plans.

    All this talk about this and that is all talk. Anyone know how the manufacturer is coming along on those custom scoreboards? I'm sure it takes about a month to make those bad boys. Then it will take another month to install them. That puts you into August....tick, tick,tick Mitchell.

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  • Jeremy Grey said... (original post)

    Exactly what are you talking about? Like others have said, they don't have printing presses in the basement of Memorial to produce unlimited supplies of money so every single thing in the department can get a massive upgrade. They've thrown money into every sport on campus, and significant amounts of it. But projects like new stadiums can't just be rubber stamped into reality. It seems there are a lot of people who just like to gloss over the impressive number of things they HAVE done and constantly rip Barnhart for what hasn't been done to this point. That takes cash. And donors willing to give to something other than John Calipari and the basketball program. Monopoly money doesn't spend in real life.

    I know for fact Cohen was going to get more money had he stayed at UK. And they WANT to build a new stadium, but where is that money coming from? People complain that they don't get things done, just like with the football recruiting room, etc., but then people throw a hissy fit whenever ticket prices and donations are raised so they can get somewhere even close to the programs they're fighting in the SEC. You can't have it both ways.

    Basically I'm talking about the IMG deal and how we've been round and around about "I've got big plans, this needs to be done." When that plan is not shared with the average fan and the average fan can't see how his K-fund contribution is going to help build that plan.

    I think Barnhart has done a good job up to about 3 years ago and then I think he let some opportunities pass him by when we had the success we did in 2006 and 2007 in football. The UKAA should have made a concentrated effort to do what facility upgrades to Commonwealth we needed at that time. Instead, we got sidetracked by this IMG pie in the sky deal and we did not pursue other avenues to get it done. We are basically 4-5 years behind now because of that mis-step. In the meantime we have a major increase in TV revenue from the SEC tv package and NOTHING is said about using that money to improve football facilities.

    A certain portion of the fanbase is going to complain about anything. If the UKAA would provide better feedback as to where that increase is going, then you won't have near the complaints. However, when you announce you are raising football parking fees by $100 and football K-fund contributions up $50 and ticket prices up, and then say there's $300k trip to Canada for the basketball team that needs to be approved and there is NOTHING in the release about football improvements, the fans have a right to be pissed.

    I was a big Barnhart supporter until he started down the IMG path and it's cost us. I think Barnhart is a good person and tries to do the best he can. I just think he made a big mistake and I blame the UKAA as a whole more than him. And I blame previous regimes more than the current ones. I just want to hear a master plan and how the fans can make it happen instead of "we'd like to do this". How hard is that?

  • and, to get back on Henderson...

    Any word on his status. UT fired their coach who had similar SEC records during his tenure.

    2011
    UK 8-22
    UT 7-23

    2010
    UK 13-17
    UT 12-18

    2009
    UK 12-18
    UT 11-19

    2008
    UK (Cohen) 16-14
    UT 12-18

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  • I agree the mismanagement I was speaking about is Ivy and CM. (and this is all for the minor sports)

    And the IMG deal was a "piein the sky" attempt to get things done quickly (remember the plan was for renovations to Commonwealth, a new baseball stadium, moving softball to the Cliff and a brand new Rupp). This was the only way things were going to get done because the bonding capacity of UK was shot (and still is) because of the hospital project.

    This post was edited by UKN533 3 years ago

  • UKN533 said... (original post)

    I agree the mismanagement I was speaking about is Ivy and CM. (and this is all for the minor sports)

    And the IMG deal was a "piein the sky" attempt to get things done quickly (remember the plan was for renovations to Commonwealth, a new baseball stadium, moving softball to the Cliff and a brand new Rupp). This was the only way things were going to get done because the bonding capacity of UK was shot (and still is) because of the hospital project.

    I'm fully aware of what the IMG deal entailed and many thought it would never happen when it was talked about and yet that's all we pursued for 4 years.

  • ^^^again because of the over one billion dollars in bonding tied up due to the hospital project.

    Mitch's next magic trick is to try and funnel some of the excess dollars from the bond for the hospital to (in the small scale) build the recruiting room or (in the big scale) to start renovations to commonwealth that would include the recruiting room.

    Again this is another "pie in the sky" approach that will probably never work. Until a big name booster comes forward (boy to I miss the Nutter family now) these are the tricks Mitch is stuck using to move these capital projects forward. And this is the reason Mitch came out a couple of months ago stating that the city needed to build a new arena for basketball.

    The sad point (and what brings back to topic) is due to attendance the new baseball stadium has now moved down the list.

  • Until we hire a new baseball coach, attendance is going to be what it is or worse. And truthfully, the baseball stadium can wait until we get Commonwealth to where it needs to be. The baseball stadium isn't going to bring in more revenue, fixing Commonwealth will.

    Building a hospital tied up the bonds but it wasn't using UKAA money. We should have a war chest built up since we weren't able to do all these projects that Mitch couldn't get done because of the hospital being built right? That's the only reason we couldn't do them is because we didn't have the bonding capacity according to most. He was out securing funding left and right but just couldn't get anything built. That's what you are saying, right?

  • No, he was spending that cash on higher tuition, smaller dollar projects that didn't need bonding (renovations of the practice fields, meeting rooms, lockers at Commonwealth, etc) leftovers from the Craft center, head coaches (basketball), more money for other coaches ( M.Mitchel, Joker's staff and the like).

    Even if (and iI am sure they do) the UKAA had cash on hand to build anything they wanted they could not go out and break ground tomorrow on that project. Because they are affiliated with the University they fall under the Commonwealth of Kentucky public works guidelines and Prevailing Wage laws. This is the start of the 50 pound anchor that is keeping things from happening (the other part is Dr. Todd idea that it sends a bad message to fund these kind of projects in a down economy).

  • UKN533 said... (original post)

    No, he was spending that cash on higher tuition, smaller dollar projects that didn't need bonding (renovations of the practice fields, meeting rooms, lockers at Commonwealth, etc) leftovers from the Craft center, head coaches (basketball), more money for other coaches ( M.Mitchel, Joker's staff and the like).

    Even if (and iI am sure they do) the UKAA had cash on hand to build anything they wanted they could not go out and break ground tomorrow on that project. Because they are affiliated with the University they fall under the Commonwealth of Kentucky public works guidelines and Prevailing Wage laws. This is the start of the 50 pound anchor that is keeping things from happening (the other part is Dr. Todd idea that it sends a bad message to fund these kind of projects in a down economy).

    I understand all that...that last sentence was interesting though..

    I would think we would consider that the price of construction in a down economy would be a little cheaper instead of worrying about what the LHL and C-J say.