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Now that the inevitable has happened and UK is looking at real names...What kind of coach & system fits the kids he'll have in-house to work w/???
Sorry...IMO, you hire looking forward. Not based upon what is already here...
This rebuild will take at least 3 years to fix just to get us back to where we were.
If players need to be replaced, so be it. Difficult times call for tough decisions all around.
We have below average to average talent on offense with the exception of a couple of young QB's who are SEC quality, maybe 3. A few skill players are good and the OL is competitive. On defense I am not sure we have any guys with the exception of two LB who would play for any SEC school. We have some good freshmen at CB. Overall we don't have enough talent to influence the choice of a coach but the young QB's may well interest a coach who likes the drop back passing game. Withlow may have some spread type talent but I am not sure his passing is good enough to be effective.
Depends on the coach, but I think we have a few bright spots on offense, maybe towles at qb.... No matter who was gonna be the coach, they would improve. I will wait to see who they get before I make any judgements.
OFF...I think as long as it's not a spread option rushing attack...UK has enough talent to be respectable...Would like to see a wide open OFF - but one that uses the clock wisely!
QB: Pro Style Pocket Passers: Smith, Towles & TFR Phillips (if he sticks) ...Dual Threat / Spread: Whitlow (who's a WR - ATH, if a pass happy coach arrives in Lex)
RB: George / Sanders, Mobley / Clemons, Taylor (5 SEC backs)...Plus Kahlid Thomas as a scat back (if he doesn't move to Safety)....FB Warren
WR: Collins / Robinson, Legree/Sweat, Cunningham...Potentially Yancey & Smith....no telling if Cobbin's gets his head on straight!
OL: Miller, Mitchell, Swindle, Watson, West, Myers, Toth, Eatmon-Nared, Godby, Jones & Love...Maybe theirs enough depth that all 4TFR would RS.
DEF...If Hyde shows up the man-beast he appears to be...UK could be a very versatile & flexible DEF squad. Enough SEC sized pieces for a 3-4...Enough SEC ATH for the 4-2-5.
DT: Rumph/ Cobble/Johnson, Coleman, Chapman...All 300lbs+....then there's Jacob Hyde, a true SEC 3-4 NG, at 6'3" 320+ is strong enough to potentially start from day 1!
DE: Huguenin, Douglas/ Davis, Newton, & Sometimes Depree. Would consider Paschal & Bruase for move to DE.
LB: Every player returns...Williamson, Dupree, Forrest, Simpson, Thomas, Henderson, Johnson, McDuffen, Rancifer
SS/FS: Both Blaylocks, Tyler, Lowrey, Faulkner, Harris, Wright??...Plus maybe Battle, if he sticks.
CB: Quinn, Tiller, Harmon, Reed, the other Blaylock & potentially get Caffey back. (who knows what happened to Simmons & Dixon)
Remember, the players mentioned are 1 and 9. Thinking they are sec quality players is delusional imho. No coach can play power football with that bunch because of no depth. It will take a coach that can recruit because UK is not very good yet and is 2 to 3 years away from fielding a competitive sec team.
Think a coach can come in and win 7 games is just crazy whit the players we have now.
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It is difficult to judge players potential when you have 1st and 2nd year players playing against 3rd, 4th and 5th year players.
I see a lot of young players with potential struggling against older stronger more experienced players.
The new coaching staff IMO will need to bite the bullet and redshirt most of the incoming Freshmen and maybe even some of the Sophmores.
The fans wouldnt like it but this team is out of balance and must regain its balance to have a chance to compete in the SEC.
Do you remember when you were a high school Freshman and went out for the football team. A Freshman coming into college ball faces near the same circumstance. There is a few more mature and outstanding athletes that can make a fairly seamless transition but most players need that transition redshirt.
I agree. Also hard to judge them with inadequate coaching to help them improve. There's some talent on the roster but, they need to bee coached and polished up to shine.
I don't think that the new staff should have a honeymoon period. I believe that there is enough good players on this team that they should win at least five games next year. If Mitch doesn't put out the money to hire a top notch staff I will not be renewing my season tickets. I have had season tickets for about forty years
Honestly, can you really bash the TRUE freshmen that are playing and say that talent is the problem when inexperience and youth is really the problem.
I don't think the OP was asking how good our talent is. I think he was asking what system does our talent fit best.
On offense: I believe that our players on offense can really be molded to any offense. Max Smith does not have lead in his feet, but he certainly is not greatly mobile......but he could be a decent fit for a pro-style or a spread that uses quicker passes. Towles is likely the most versatile. With his athleticism and mobility, he really could run any system. And Whitlow (whom I believe will end up being a WR someday) can run a fair spread with his running skills. The rest of the offense has a good mixture of size, speed, and skills that can be used for different styles.
On defense: Since Minter runs a hybrid system....basically switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 on occasion. We have players that have been recruited to fit both systems. So really we could go either way.
Bottomline: First off you hire the coach you want. You don't hire a coach to fit your current players. Second we have players in place to adjust to really any scheme. This does not indicate how the players will do or how the talent will develop.
I tend to agree here...while I believe we have better players to play above their current level....we have some poor players.
- Many want to think Max Smith/Towles..some even think Whitlow is a future QB (which I do not). But are these guys better than Johnny Football, Bray, Murray, Driskell was #1 player 2 years ago, Rogers at Vandy, AJ McCarron Heisman top 5, Miss St kid at QB, Conner Shaw, etc.. I don't know if our guys really any better than our competition. But bottom line...we have no developed our QBs the past 2 years.
- Why would anyone see our RB, WR and TE as anywhere close to competitive in SEC? I don't see a dynamic playmaker in the bunch.
- To the bad..our DE and back 4 DBs are so un athletic...no team in SEC has even close to as bad talent at those 6 spots as UK. I pull my hair out at DE the past 4 years. It has been Ukwu/Wynhdam with some others mixed in and they have done squat for years.
I would submit that we have the talent for just about any offense but the spread option.
We are very good at the skill slots for uk standards. These players are young but if smith and towles love up to expectations we can be good on offense.
Defense worries me. We almost certainly have to play a 3-4 as we have no traditional 4-3 defensive ends. Safety and outside linebacker worry me a lot. Inside linebacker and d-tackle/3-4 d-End may be serviceable.
Blocking and tackling should do it.
To say they haven't developed a qb in the last 2 years is unfair. Their starting qb was Sophomore the back up was a Senior that they missed on. They've had decent qb play in recent history. Not defending the staff just stating a fact.
I'm pretty sure its safe to say most fans and media were a little excited about the possibilities that Max Smith presented to the program. Unfortunately for Joker he put all his eggs in one basket as he did with Newton. An injury later and you're looking for a job.
This post was edited by James Mahoney 17 months ago
Pretty harsh comments toward such young players. I don't think you can make an informed judgement as you have......yet.
-If you were to take all Bama's recruiting class from last yr, made them play as freshmen at UK, with little depth, with the current UK coaching staff.....they'd be lucky to win 4 games. There is a reason why every single team in the country favors playing Juniors and Seniors....even over younger and more talented guys. You are underestimating experience, physical maturity, and mental/emotional maturity.
-I AM BY NO MEANS saying that UK's talent is as good as Bama's. But what if Max Smith played behind Bama's line, with Bama's RB's, throwing to Bama's WR's......Is it possible that Smith could've looked much better than he has as true sophomore playing with UK's players? Absolutely.
-The point behind this is not to praise UK's players, but to state that you can't watch freshmen play and say that we're screwed for 3 yrs until we get other players in there.
smith was in the top 3 in the sec in passing yards. he had a bad half vs wku bad routes by wr but he was likely going to throw for 2800 yards to say he isnt on par with other sec qb is a lil silly
Look at the roster and you'll see that the talent on defense is worse today than any point in the brooks era except his first 2 seasons coming off probation. it's simply laughable for an SEC program. That in itself will take 3 years to fix. Minter used a ton of scholarhsips on these safety/lineback hybrid positons that won't have a role in most defenses. They have very, very little talent at DE and LB. Whoever takes the job, the're walking into a sizable rebuilding job to say the least.
I would drill down a bit more specifically on your post.
We have NO talent at D-end if we hire a traditional 4-3 defensive end. If we play a 3-4 we have the talent on the d-line to play the 3-4. Rumph already pretty much plays the 3-4 d-end and Christian Coleman and/or Tristan Johnson can play the other d-end. Dupree is probably an ideal OLB in the 3-4 but the other OLB would worry me. If Josh Forrest continues to add weight he can play that spot... Maybe... Safety is a MASSIVE concern for me. We have nobody at safety that can contribute IMO... Corner is pretty good and I'd say Inside linebacker is pretty good with Wiliamson, pancho Thomas, and Henderson
I disagree that UK has no talent at safety. Tyler and Faulkner will return next year and IMO the Blaylock twins have shown talent . They have also shown their inexperience. IMO they will be much improved next year. Lowery also returns with another year of experience. IMO a bigger stronger Harmon could play safety if he isnt needed at CB.
UK has several young CBs that have played well considering that they are true Freshmen thrown to the wolves. Tiller, Quinn,Harmon, and Caffey if he can get elgible will be four talented CBs.
The young LBs with the experience that they got this year are going to be much better next year.
DE especially if the new coach wants to go to a four man front is a big concern and I am not as sold on the DTs as some on this board seem to be. I was especially disapointed with Cobble. He was overweight,slow, and not in good football condition. He lost his starting slot to a smaller Tristian Johnson later in the year. IMO Hyde could take his slot next year.
The defense will be improved next year but it has a long way to go before it is a competive SEC defense.
UK has some good young players at the skill positions on offense at QB, RB and WR. I am concerned however about an OL that is losing its two best players to graduation. Miller and West and Mitchel should be better next year after another year of experience but replacing Center Smith and right Guard Warford will be difficult. Warford is the best player on the OL but IMO Smith will be much more difficult to replace since he was the leader of the OL.
For Petrino who airs it out while running the I regularly it is a no brainer with our collection of talent.
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