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What does Joker need to do to reclaim the fan base?

  • tommy said... (original post)

    I get you bro and trust me, I find it impossible for anyone to see a winner ad much as I do. I still think Summers is as good as there is and not a part of the problem. I do think maybe we could upgrade some coaches tho. We do have good coaches but as of right now could we go get great coaches...I don't know.

    Not all coaches have to be revved up on the sidelines. I personally love seeing coaches fired up, but I'm not sire it's necessary all the time. If I'm not mistaken isn't Joker 8-8 over his first 16 games as HC? Now I know we could have a much better record but .500 isn't the end of the world. I still think we can turn this thing around. I still think 5-7 wins isnt impossible but the question is will we do the things necessary to do so...sadly, I'm not sure we will. Joker should get (and will get no matter what) another year or two.

    I still think injuries and playing hurt have a lot to do with this, and it still seems as if there is something else wrong with this team. Something just doesn't feel right u know?

    I know man. Something definitely ain't feeling right.

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  • His only opportunity is to win bottm line. That is not easy, but it is a must!

    Secondly, he better start slinging the ball down the field. Getting beat is easier to take when you are having fun and being unconventional.

    Take more chances. Fake punts, onside kicks, throwing on all three downs. Passing to set up the run, instead of vice-versa.

    We have proven that we are not going to be able to establish the run so pass and then run when they are not expecting it.

    Play action when the do expect run. Be totally unpredictable like Spurrier. If you do that and get beat the fans will be more patient with you.

    A key stretch of the South Carolina vs Georgia game was the onside kick by UGA that they recovered and it was questionable that they were offside.

    This pissed Spurrier off so on the next possesion when UGA stopped Carolina, Spurrier ran a fake punt with a defensive lineman that really changed the game. It went for a touchdown.

    That is why Spurrier is the old ball coach, he has been unpredictable his entire carrer.

    On defense we need to load up the box and stop the run, period! Make a team beat us through the air, but don't let them run for 200 yards.

    No matter what we do make a commitment to finally stopping the run.

    Do all this and no matter what the record is, Joker will have another year.

    Play vanilla like he has been and he can kiss it goodbye. If I go down I am going down swinging with everything I've got.

  • 12point said... (original post)

    His only opportunity is to win bottm line. That is not easy, but it is a must!

    Secondly, he better start slinging the ball down the field. Getting beat is easier to take when you are having fun and being unconventional.

    Take more chances. Fake punts, onside kicks, throwing on all three downs. Passing to set up the run, instead of vice-versa.

    We have proven that we are not going to be able to establish the run so pass and then run when they are not expecting it.

    Play action when the do expect run. Be totally unpredictable like Spurrier. If you do that and get beat the fans will be more patient with you.

    A key stretch of the South Carolina vs Georgia game was the onside kick by UGA that they recovered and it was questionable that they were offside.

    This pissed Spurrier off so on the next possesion when UGA stopped Carolina, Spurrier ran a fake punt with a defensive lineman that really changed the game. It went for a touchdown.

    That is why Spurrier is the old ball coach, he has been unpredictable his entire carrer.

    On defense we need to load up the box and stop the run, period! Make a team beat us through the air, but don't let them run for 200 yards.

    No matter what we do make a commitment to finally stopping the run.

    Do all this and no matter what the record is, Joker will have another year.

    Play vanilla like he has been and he can kiss it goodbye. If I go down I am going down swinging with everything I've got.

    While I agree with some of this, namely opening up the offense, I don't think becoming a gimmick offense again is the answer. We are better than that. Losing is losing...that's jmo anyway. I don't buy into the lose with flare approach. What I mean by that is I do want to see them open up the offense; play action, TEs down the field, more screens, and definitely going down the field. Newton has a TON of issues and deficiencies, but throwing the deep ball is not one of them. That is easily his biggest strength. However, fake punts, fake FGs, going for it every 4th down....no thanks. I'm so glad that crap ended with Mumme. I understand and agree that making them games more entertaining via offense would bring back more fan support or interest, but I don't wanna go back to Mumme ball.

    I also agree about committing to stopping the run. I don't care what anyone says, IMO we have a very good secondary (mostly lol) and I think they can hold their own.

    As for Joker, the win/loss record will not matter this year. If we don't win another game, Joker will still be our coach next year at least.

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  • A few thoughts on this:

    1. Firing Summers from the OL coaching position would be one of the worst moves Joker could do. Is it Summers fault that over half of the starting OL unit was able to practice less that half of Fall Camp due to injuries and has continued to experience injury problems thus far through the first 3 games of the season? Is he supposed to be able to coach up guys who are playing on bum ankles, knees and shoulders to somehow have the strength or technique to block like All-SEC linemen, irregardless of how injured they may be? Summers is not going anywhere; nor should he. If we can get the OL healthy and then see a strong improvement in run and pass protection as a result, that will go a long way with the fans.

    2. Steve Brown, on the other hand, has to go. We have heard time and time again for the last few years how "Well, okay...maybe he's not the best guy for DC, but he is one HELL of a DB position coach." Um, no he's not. Other than the lack of pressure from the DL, our DB's (when in coverage) have been the biggest consistent letdown of our D all year long. From game one they have routinely been beaten deep. Even Joker commented on this the other day. That can't happen when we are employing an aggressive style D like Minter's where the DB's will have to utilize sound technique and knowledge to prevent from getting beat deep. The fanbase has been screaming for Brown's head for 2-3 years now, and after this season it will be time for him to go. That would be one move that would "win back the fanbase" to some degree.

    3. Get better pressure from the DL or cut Turner loose as well. I have not been impressed with him since he got here and it continues to get worse. There is absolutely no reason that guys like Cobble, Rumph, and Ukwu shouldn't be able to create pressure against OL's from WKU, CMU and UL. It is a matter of knowing how to use your size and strength for leverage, as well as technique and "tricks of the trade". I don't see any of that, and that is on their coach.

    4. Win, win, win. I don't think anyone EXPECTS us to beat UF, LSU, USC, MSU, UGA or UT...maybe not even Vandy after how they have looked so far. We absolutely MUST beat Jacksonville St and Ole Miss, but if we can manage to beat a couple of the other teams that we are not "supposed" to beat this year (I really don't include Vandy in that list, although right now I think they will beat us), it will go a long ways towards helping things out. In fact, that is pretty typical of UK football.....lose to a couple of teams you shouldn't lose to (e.g. Ole Miss last year) and then turn around and beat 1 or 2 that you shouldn't beat (numerous examples over the last 5 years). If we somehow manage to beat UF, LSU, USC or UT and manage to go to another bowl game (albeit a lower tier bowl again), I think the fans will quickly forget about the UL loss and chalk it up to yet another example of "What might have been" for UK football. THAT SAID, I do not expect us to beat any of those teams (or UGA or Vandy) right now, but the question in this thread was what will it take for Joker to win back the fans.

    5. Enough with the overly-conservative playcalling (e.g. RB dive on 1st, Newton left or right on 2nd, RB dive on 3rd and long, punt on 4th). Turn things loose, but don't go overboard with it. Release the TE's more and stop trying to keep everyone but 3 WR's (and sometimes less than that) in for protection. Run more playaction pass plays, both where Newton stands in the pocket after the fake handoff and where he rolls out on a bootleg for either the pass or run. Don't coach/play scared on offense. Take the fight to the opposing defense instead of coaching not to lose. If the UF's, LSU's, USC's, etc. of the league beat us, then so be it; but make damn sure they come out of it knowing that they had to focus and bust their ass on every play to do so instead of being able to just bring the heat while you go into a shell and hope they make enough mistakes that you come away with a "Hey, look at what I found" kind of win in the end.

    I think the 5 elements above are the recipe for what it will take for Joker to win back the fans during this season and afterwards.

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  • He needs to field a team, that, regardless if we win or lose, you walk away from that stadium saying "I'm proud of that team".

    "Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra

  • JawJacker: Answer this question please.......WHO is going to coach them when you fire all these coaches?? Are you and are you qualified? It's not like coaches are looking to jump around mid season. Unless you have a proven coach in mind that is committed before you do the firing, you best not be upsetting the entire apple cart. And YES, our young men are learning each and every day, regardless of what you may think. So answer my question please, WHO is gonna be the coach and lead these young men? I know you are frustrated as are many, but I will not chuck the whole season after 3 games.

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  • Don't fire anyone. That is ridiculous. You have what you have at this point. Joker needs to be honest with the fans and coach his team to line up and look like they know what they are doing. If they look confident they know what they are going to do, fire off the line with authority, and show some enthusiasm I can take them being beaten by a better team. Both sides of the ball look confused especially the offense. We need to show that we have some attitude on the sidelines and don't look like we left our stones in the desk drawer. Our leaders on and off the field look defeated most of the time.

    You cannot let guys continue to make stupid mistakes and play them. Play lesser athletes that know the plays until the starters figure out that it is important. I think the major problem is that fans don't feel that Joker has been straight with them. If we continue to sit at 100 out of 116 FBS teams in scoring offense then he needs to try something different because any way you spin it averaging 19 points a game against the quality of competition we have played is embarrassing. If Joker is honest and tries to fix what is wrong by changing some things around it will be better for him and the program. For starters how about stopping running Robertson across in front of Newton before the snap. No one cares if we give it to him and it fools no one, not to mention that he almost knocked down the snap against UL.

  • Win any of the next three games and all will be forgiven/forgotten. A win over Florida or LSU would be worth five wins over Louisville. Hell, maybe ten.

  • 1003blue said... (original post)

    JawJacker: Answer this question please.......WHO is going to coach them when you fire all these coaches?? Are you and are you qualified? It's not like coaches are looking to jump around mid season. Unless you have a proven coach in mind that is committed before you do the firing, you best not be upsetting the entire apple cart. And YES, our young men are learning each and every day, regardless of what you may think. So answer my question please, WHO is gonna be the coach and lead these young men? I know you are frustrated as are many, but I will not chuck the whole season after 3 games.

    I really don't give a damn at this point... I just want changes made from top to bottom. Why the hell should WE CARE anymore, when it's so obvious that THEY DON'T? UK can either start investing more into our football program... or they can keep losing fan support.

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  • JawJacker said... (original post)

    I really don't give a damn at this point... I just want changes made from top to bottom. Why the hell should WE CARE anymore, when it's so obvious that THEY DON'T? UK can either start investing more into our football program... or they can keep losing fan support.

    You obviously care very much, you do give a damn, quit pretending you don't. If you didn't care you wouldn't have posted 20 times today with "Fire Everybody" rants. If you didn't "give a damn at this point" we wouldn't know what you opinion was because you'd be off somewhere else...maybe even being productive.

  • jamccain said... (original post)

    You obviously care very much, you do give a damn, quit pretending you don't. If you didn't care you wouldn't have posted 20 times today with "Fire Everybody" rants. If you didn't "give a damn at this point" we wouldn't know what you opinion was because you'd be off somewhere else...maybe even being productive.

    Of course I give damn... about the "future" of UK football. You obviously missed something. When I said... "I really don't give a damn at this point... I just want changes made from top to bottom."

    If you go back and "read", you will notice it was my reply to 1003blue when he said... "JawJacker: Answer this question please.... WHO is going to coach them when you fire all these coaches??

    So please, understand this... my rants are intended to be heard. I hope that everyone who shares my opinions and frustrations with our Athletic Department, continues to RANT OUT LOUD LIKE CRAZY, until some positive changes are made. That's how much "I" care.

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  • n/m

    I'm done with this...

    This post was edited by rompcat 3 years ago

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  • Btw... the short answer to the op's question (thread title) is... "RESIGN"

    I'd support him 100% ... thumbsup

    This post was edited by JawJacker 3 years ago

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  • Its really not about winning and losing for me. Its about having a team prepared to play. Its about a team that doesn't beat themselves. It's about being unpredictable on both offense and defense. Sometimes a good coached team lose to teams with more depth or better players but UK should never lose to teams like Louisville. UK is a SEC team. Losing to UL is worse than a lose to any SEC school because it shows the failure of the program to win Kentucky.

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  • PHCD, great points and I agree with all of them.

    CJP has a long way to go reclaim this fanbase and get this program started back on the upward track. Let me say that I still believe in CJP, though my confidence is starting to severly wane with the performances I've witnessed so far this year.

    GOOD LUCK CJP! LET'S GO CATS!!

  • Joker seems depressed and shows no passion at all on the sidelines or anywhere else.
    He has no fire as said above.
    His words dont match his teams effort. "we cant be predictable" (see article on practice preparing for Florida). Yet, so far that is exactly what Randy Sanders offense is-PREDICTABLE.

    What joker has to do is put a fire under the posteriors of the OC and the players and call them out for not competing.
    He could start with the OL.

  • ukfit said... (original post)

    Joker seems depressed and shows no passion at all on the sidelines or anywhere else. He has no fire as said above.

    That is how Paul "Bear" Bryant always looked when I saw him in games on TV.

    You don't have to be demonstrative to be a good coach.

    I am who I am, said he who is. 15,235

  • 7lives said... (original post)

    That is how Paul "Bear" Bryant always looked when I saw him in games on TV.

    You don't have to be demonstrative to be a good coach.

    Don't let facts rear their ugly heads.

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  • 7lives said... (original post)

    That is how Paul "Bear" Bryant always looked when I saw him in games on TV.

    You don't have to be demonstrative to be a good coach.

    Yes, Joker reminds me a lot of the Bear...

  • 7lives said... (original post)

    That is how Paul "Bear" Bryant always looked when I saw him in games on TV.

    You don't have to be demonstrative to be a good coach.

    Most of the best coaches in the NFL are very calm or almost boring on the sidelines.
    Belicheck (SP) A. Reid and sone others.
    The NBA, Phil Jackson.
    It's a common trend among successful coaches in nearly every sport. College hoops may be the exception.

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  • No one wanted Joker to succeed more than I did, because I knew it was our best chance for long-term stability. So much for that wish.

    I saw my first UK game in 1951 and I've seen decades of bad football bracketed around a few good teams over the years. It appears to me that Joker is in over his head and I think it's naive to believe he can make steady improvement in this SEC environment. There's no doubt Mitch will give him, at the very minimum, this year and next, but it's not going to work.

    Someone please name a worse D-1 head football coach. Joker has to be on everyone's short list.

  • For starters, I would take four solid quarters of football where the offense looks prepared and executes while the defense continues to improve. A win here and there would be nice too. I don't think Joker can fully regain the fans this season however. I think 80 proof is right on as to why.

  • DACats86 said... (original post)

    Yes, Joker reminds me a lot of the Bear...

    That was not my intent to compare him to him.

    There are a lot of coaches that are laid back and successful.

    I am who I am, said he who is. 15,235

  • One thing he can do is force Randy Sanders to stop being so conservative with his gameplan.
    I know Joker was the same way and he owns the offense as they say and Randy is executing the same old conservative and predictable offense Joker used to run, but if he does not change it, he will go down with the sinking ship.

    Joker needs a paradigm shift and a revelation that a conservative cannot get done in the SEC ANYMORE THAN A CONSERVATIVE DEFENSE.

    He may never realize this but until he does, UK will be bottom dwellers.
    Its his move starting at 7 pm tonight. He has nothing to lose if he rolls the dice.
    If he does, I will be one of the first to get on here and praise him because I want him to be a winner.

  • 1003blue said... (original post)

    3 games in and chuck the entire year?? And our young men will get better how??? Explain it to me, because it makes zero sense to me. confused

    Do you realize the teams we've beaten are 1-6? If we can barely beat those teams, how can we compete in the SEC? We can't!!! This team can't improve that much. You have to have some talent first.