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What impact does a 20 year age minimun have on this years draft?

  • Does it go into affect for this upcoming draft? How old will Jones and Knight be? I think Jones is going to come back anyway, but I (like 95% of the country) think Knight is gone. Hopefully the NBA doesn't screw the kid outta fulfilling his dream. I just don't see how a kid can go off to war at age 18 and die defending the country but the NBA can put an age limit on when he can earn a paycheck. Will never understand that.

    Any info is much appreciated. Thanks!

  • I agree with you. Something I was thinking about is parents might hold the kids back a year so they could still be a one and done. IIRC Wall was 19 his freshman year, so he could have still left under the proposed new rule.

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  • NBA just needs to let kids come straight from high school if they are good enough. If the kid chooses college however he shuld have to stay 2 years. Cal is gonna get the best kids available either way. He gets the best or the next best if the best go pro.

  • ShGora said... (original post)

    I agree with you. Something I was thinking about is parents might hold the kids back a year so they could still be a one and done. IIRC Wall was 19 his freshman year, so he could have still left under the proposed new rule.

    You have to admit that would take a lot of assumptions to hold a kid back a year in school just to keep them from going to college. How long does a family know their kid is nba talent, and what would the difference be between a extra year at one school vs another?

  • kbrew said... (original post)

    Does it go into affect for this upcoming draft? How old will Jones and Knight be? I think Jones is going to come back anyway, but I (like 95% of the country) think Knight is gone. Hopefully the NBA doesn't screw the kid outta fulfilling his dream. I just don't see how a kid can go off to war at age 18 and die defending the country but the NBA can put an age limit on when he can earn a paycheck. Will never understand that.

    Any info is much appreciated. Thanks!

    The nba is not a birth right. It's a job.

    I'm not 100% sure but I believe the draft happens before the current cba expires so this years class will be fine. Any new deal would take effect with the 2012 draft.

  • JohnBlue_ said... (original post)

    The nba is not a birth right. It's a job.

    ^^^This

    The NBA is a league and they can create rules to best fit their league. If they deem their league is a better product with only 20 year olds and up, I don't see how anyone can complain about it.

    Our country does allow 18 year olds to fight in a war, but the same country won't allow anyone to be President unless they're at least 35. I don't see how the military age applies to the NBA.

  • kbrew said... (original post)

    Does it go into affect for this upcoming draft? How old will Jones and Knight be? I think Jones is going to come back anyway, but I (like 95% of the country) think Knight is gone. Hopefully the NBA doesn't screw the kid outta fulfilling his dream. I just don't see how a kid can go off to war at age 18 and die defending the country but the NBA can put an age limit on when he can earn a paycheck. Will never understand that.

    Any info is much appreciated. Thanks!

    No impact on this year's draft. The draft this year is on June 23rd ... and the current NBA collective bargaining agreement stays in effect until June 30th. No changes in early entry rules could be made until a new collective bargaining agreement is put in place.

  • The NBA was 100% spot on by stopping te flood of highschool kids trying to go pro. It hurt both the NBA and NCAA on soany levels. I'm not saying the one and done rule is much better but still better. I'm not sure the 20 year old age limit is the answer either. I like the age better than the one and done rule however. Either way, as someone posted earlier, we will continue to recruit well no matter the rule.

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  • Great. Now that I see John Blue carried over to here, I'm no longer excited... Define irony. John Blue banning me at TCP 2 years ago for mentioning Kentucky Ink when I was a mod for KI. Now, John Blue is here at this site which evolved from the site he banned me for mentioning.

    Oh well. Maybe Beisner has the morning post up.

    This post was edited by TKE_ 3 years ago

  • kbrew said... (original post)

    Great. Now that I see John Blew carried over to here, I'm no longer excited... Define irony. John Blew banning me at TCP 2 years ago for mentioning Kentucky Ink when I was a mod for KI. Now, John Blew is here at this site which evolved from the site he banned me for mentioning.

    Oh well. Maybe Beisner has the morning post up.

    Kbrew, I really hope history doesn't repeat itself. I used to really enjoy your posts bbl in the KI days. Hope to see some of that old school flavor you used to bring.

    Btw...FOOTBALL. LOL

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  • kbrew said... (original post)

    Great. Now that I see John Blew carried over to here, I'm no longer excited... Define irony. John Blew banning me at TCP 2 years ago for mentioning Kentucky Ink when I was a mod for KI. Now, John Blew is here at this site which evolved from the site he banned me for mentioning.

    Those were the Dark Ages when KI was connected with some guy named Maggard.

    This is a new beginning.

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  • 7lives said... (original post)

    Those were the Dark Ages when KI was connected with some guy named Maggard.

    This is a new beginning.

    And I've been here for all of it. Even before maggard.

    Anywho, I'm not saying the NBA doesn't have the right to declare an age minimum. President should be 35+. 18 year olds seem to be fine in the military. I'm just saying the "gee whiz" factor behind it makes me scratch my head. The NBA isn't a birthright, but why give them a birth control pill? Lets make the next Kobe or LeBron spend 2 years in college **errrr** overseas. In the future it is imaginable for the FIBA game to be bigger than the NBA. How long will it be before 18 year olds go there, generate excitement, command similar salaries as the NBA, not pay taxes on it, and then David Stern is left with 2nd tier 20 year olds and a lesser brand.

    Just makes no sense to me. Thats all. Carry on.

  • kbrew said... (original post)

    And I've been here for all of it. Even before maggard.

    Anywho, I'm not saying the NBA doesn't have the right to declare an age minimum. President should be 35+. 18 year olds seem to be fine in the military. I'm just saying the "gee whiz" factor behind it makes me scratch my head. The NBA isn't a birthright, but why give them a birth control pill? Lets make the next Kobe or LeBron spend 2 years in college **errrr** overseas. In the future it is imaginable for the FIBA game to be bigger than the NBA. How long will it be before 18 year olds go there, generate excitement, command similar salaries as the NBA, not pay taxes on it, and then David Stern is left with 2nd tier 20 year olds and a lesser brand.

    Just makes no sense to me. Thats all. Carry on.

    I hear ya, but I believe this little "go play overseas thing" has run it's course. If you check it out, those who have gone have done nothing but rip the teams. Most of them all talked about the same thing...gettin paid. Many of them do not get paid on time. Jennings of the Bucks was very vocal about this. You may see some youngsters here am there go but I think the more people learn about the challenges of getting your money will kill that movement.

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  • tommy said... (original post)

    I hear ya, but I believe this little "go play overseas thing" has run it's course. If you check it out, those who have gone have done nothing but rip the teams. Most of them all talked about the same thing...gettin paid. Many of them do not get paid on time. Jennings of the Bucks was very vocal about this. You may see some youngsters here am there go but I think the more people learn about the challenges of getting your money will kill that movement.

    That is a fact for sure. But with increased product, would come increased priority to keep that product from leaving. Wouldn't happen overnight, but we are seeing foreign interest in buying NBA franchises. These are smart, rich, and powerful people who are going to learn how to operate. I think the foreign game will evolve eventually. If not willingly, at least out of necessity. But I agree, going overseas isn't the cakewalk that most of us (me) make it seem.

  • The streets of the NBA are littered with high school kids who got drafted then couldn't make it or declared and didn't get drafted. In either case their options became limited and college ball was not one of those options. That was the thinking behind the one year of college rule. Yeah Kobe and LeBron did it but Kobe grew up in Europe with a father who was a professional basketball player and James had his entire support system just minutes away until this year. It's more of an issue of maturing physically, mentally and emotionally. I think MLB and college baseball have it right but I'd make it two years instead of three.

  • The sports fan in me thinks a 2 year rule would produce a better product in the NCAA and NBA. The practical, realist side of me says phooey on age limits and on the kids that gamble and don't make the NBA. So what? After exhausting opportunities - or making poor choices - for college, then the NBA, then the NBADL, then overseas, they have to go out and get a job like the rest of us? Imagine that. Why is it that these kids, while getting a privileged high school experience and then the opportunity for college and/or huge sums of money that few others get, garner so much sympathy when neither works out?

  • tommy said... (original post)

    I hear ya, but I believe this little "go play overseas thing" has run it's course. If you check it out, those who have gone have done nothing but rip the teams. Most of them all talked about the same thing...gettin paid. Many of them do not get paid on time. Jennings of the Bucks was very vocal about this. You may see some youngsters here am there go but I think the more people learn about the challenges of getting your money will kill that movement.

    Look at how that worked out for Jeremy Tyler. He will never play in the NBA. Ever.

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  • IF the new 20 year old rule is inacted, it would not impact the Gilchrist and Davis class. The first class impacted would be the 2012 class with Shabazz and Co.

  • Some people argue that players have the right to play professional basketball right out of high school or after one year of college, etc. But should the NBA not also have the right to employ people who will maximize their product? If the NBA thinks it will put out a better product if they increase the age limit, then they should do it. If a kid wants to play professionally instead of going to college for two years, then he should look to Europe, the NBDL, the ABA, etc.

    Some of these kids make a flawed argument (e.g., Austin Rivers in the Yahoo! article). They say they have the "right" to enter the NBA if they think they're ready. What they ignore is the fact that the NBA should also have the "right" to disallow the entry of 18 and 19-year-olds if they think it will prevent them from maximizing their product.

    Every private business has criteria to weed out prospective employees. Why should the NBA be any different?

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  • kbrew said... (original post)

    That is a fact for sure. But with increased product, would come increased priority to keep that product from leaving. Wouldn't happen overnight, but we are seeing foreign interest in buying NBA franchises. These are smart, rich, and powerful people who are going to learn how to operate. I think the foreign game will evolve eventually. If not willingly, at least out of necessity. But I agree, going overseas isn't the cakewalk that most of us (me) make it seem.

    I didn't read the whole thread before my initial post, so I'll comment on this real quick.

    Kbrew, you could certainly make an argument that the NBA should employ 18 and 19-year-olds and that the league would be hurt if it didn't. All the top kids might go to Europe and stay there forever and the NBA would never be the same. But I think most people would strongly disagree with that notion, and it is ultimately a business decision the NBA will have to make. It doesn't change the fact that the employer (NBA) should have the liberty of choosing its employees however it sees fit -- to its benefit or to its detriment.

    IMO, the NBA and college basketball would both be WAY better with an age limit of 20-21 years of age. There would be an obvious increase in talent in college bball, and you'd have 10-15 impact rookies in the NBA each year instead of 5-6.

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  • I agree with Colton. As a CBB fan first I see this as benefiting that sport greatly. I also see it as a plus for the NBA. To be honest though I wouldn't lose sleep if it hurt the NBA. I don't think it will but if it did it wouldn't bother me unless it somehow hurts CBB. I like the NBA don't get me wrong, but nothing like CBB.

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  • CATinFL said... (original post)

    The sports fan in me thinks a 2 year rule would produce a better product in the NCAA and NBA. The practical, realist side of me says phooey on age limits and on the kids that gamble and don't make the NBA. So what? After exhausting opportunities - or making poor choices - for college, then the NBA, then the NBADL, then overseas, they have to go out and get a job like the rest of us? Imagine that. Why is it that these kids, while getting a privileged high school experience and then the opportunity for college and/or huge sums of money that few others get, garner so much sympathy when neither works out?

    I think these kids get some sympathy mainly because most of them have so many people in their ears and very very few have the kids best interest in mind. Kids are so easily influenced and often times taken advantage of. Or at least that my take.

    You know, there is a reason why kids under 21 are not allowed in bars. They are not ready for that type of atmosphere or culture and often make poor decisions when first going. I think the same applys with the NBA.
    These kids are simply just not ready for it. Only a small handful actually were and made it, but that's me.

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  • ShGora said... (original post)

    I agree with you. Something I was thinking about is parents might hold the kids back a year so they could still be a one and done. IIRC Wall was 19 his freshman year, so he could have still left under the proposed new rule.

    ShGora - I think the potential rule being batted around is 2 years removed from high school and 20 years old. Therefore, holding a child back would be ineffective from this standpoint.

  • kbrew said... (original post)

    I didn't read the whole thread before my initial post, so I'll comment on this real quick.

    Kbrew, you could certainly make an argument that the NBA should employ 18 and 19-year-olds and that the league would be hurt if it didn't. All the top kids might go to Europe and stay there forever and the NBA would never be the same. But I think most people would strongly disagree with that notion, and it is ultimately a business decision the NBA will have to make. It doesn't change the fact that the employer (NBA) should have the liberty of choosing its employees however it sees fit -- to its benefit or to its detriment.

    IMO, the NBA and college basketball would both be WAY better with an age limit of 20-21 years of age. There would be an obvious increase in talent in college bball, and you'd have 10-15 impact rookies in the NBA each year instead of 5-6.

    Again, not saying they don't have the option to do as they feel fit. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Hell, in Ohio we can't smoke in bars. Don't smoke, but don't agree with it either. I just don't think it makes sense. If a kid isn't ready for the NBA, don't draft him. If at 18 years old he is, by all means allow him to play professional ball. All it would take is sound decisions by the NBA to draft the right kids, and kids to get sound advice from the NBA on if they should indeed declare. The NBA drafts so much on potential that they burn themselves. I just don't like that a young man has to go to college against his will if he's good enough to make it professionally. Just my take, but I see a lot of good points in this thread that are the opposite of my opinion. Good stuff. I like it.

  • MinterWonderlnd said... (original post)

    IF the new 20 year old rule is inacted, it would not impact the Gilchrist and Davis class. The first class impacted would be the 2012 class with Shabazz and Co.

    I would like to see this verified. From what I have read, the 2011 class could be impacted. This would be an NBA collective bargaining agreement, and I would find it odd to have verbiage in it pretaining to the status of an amateur athlete. Could be wrong, but I'd like to know where this is being discussed so I can educate myself further.

  • kbrew said... (original post)

    I would like to see this verified. From what I have read, the 2011 class could be impacted. This would be an NBA collective bargaining agreement, and I would find it odd to have verbiage in it pretaining to the status of an amateur athlete. Could be wrong, but I'd like to know where this is being discussed so I can educate myself further.

    That's a great point. The current CBA is going to be up right? So wouldn't any changes as part of the new CBA begin immediately. Great question KBrew.
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