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After this past week, the world saw that not only are these three not ready for the NBA, but could be nothing more than 12th-men on whatever teams they go to for at least the next two seasons.
I'm by no means slamming 18-year old kids as much as saying their not ready, and even though they would get first-round money, they would be so far behind, a second contract might be even less than what they make as rookies.
Calipari has always how it's about the second contract, and that's where you really earn your money, and based on how far behind they are, it may be nothing more than 2-year deals worth $1-2 million.
The first part of my question is at this point, do you think Calipari would encourage all three to go?
Second, do you think all three want to go, or are they open to another year of college?
And third, based on what you've hear, do you think any of the three return?
BTW, I'm assuming Noel is gone until he says otherwise.
While this years draft is incredibly weak, if I am an NBA owner and my GM selects Goodwin and Poythress with a first round pick next year I am looking for a new GM. Draft WCS in the first round and job security will be tied to whether or not he pans out in 2-3 years because I will be paying him to play in the D-league.
If you're an NBA owner and you fire your GM for drafting a player based on potential, you are way behind on the trend, and your name may be Michael Jordan (who hadn't made a good draft pick until this year). You draft based on potential, and that's the way it is, you may not like the way they are producing in college, but that does not change their potential.
I have been saying this for the last two months. If these guys are lottery picks then this draft is ridiculously weak. Like you, I am not bashing the kids. They are what they are. I am not complaining about them or Cal. Hey, 3 out of 4 teams in no less than the Elite 8 is unbelievable. Just not sure how these guys are considered lottery picks.
And one more point, I am not sure that Cal wants them back. If the 3 of them did come back, I'm not sure Cal will have ever had to try and play 10 guys at once. That will be what he faces should they return. Personally, I think they need to return but that isn't up to me.
Yeah, I think they'll leave, but in all honesty, if Calipari is telling them to go, he's doing them a disservice. Again, the second contract is what matters, and it's really hard to see any of them getting a good one if their devloping their game on the bench in the NBA next year vs. developing it in 27-30 minutes/game in college.
They wouldn't be on the end of the bench though, they'd be sent to the D-League and play a ton of minutes with and against similar guys, all while still getting paid. The time restrictions on coaching/practicing/etc. in college really limits a lot of things, while in the pro ranks they can work as much or as often as they want. Not saying they would, but in theory they have much more time with professional coaches without the limitations of the NCAA practice rules/class/tutors/etc.
Game time is not where the difference in development between college and the pros comes from.
The difference comes in practice time where in the NBA there are no time limits and you will practice against much much better competition with much longer individual and team instruction during a 3-month longer season as compared to college practices against much lesser competition where practices are limited to 20 hours a week.
Drafting based on potential is a primary reason the one-and-done was put in place. NBA teams were tired of swinging and missing. It's also a reason the NBA (though not the players union) would be receptive to requiring 2 years of college. On the topic of AG and AP, my point was I can make a strong argument there are players better than those guys that should be selected ahead of them, pushing them out of the first round.
If they're not producing in college you can't judge their potential. Therein lies the problem. To show your potential you have to do something positive. There's one guy on UK's team that showing potential, and we all know who that is.
Jarrod Polson ;)
Not true at all. Daniel Orton producing 2 PPG and was a first rounder... You can put up minimal production and still be a first rounder based on potential. That's the way it is now. To say only one player is "showing" potential, is completely not true and idiotic.
Here, here's the definition of potential:
"Latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness."
Now, Goodwin and Poythress at some point have displayed these qualities or abilities that could lead to future success. To say that they haven't is ignorant. Even WCS shows potential, again, because of his abilities, a 7 footer who is still VERY raw. He has a while to go, but everyone that's anyone in the NBA can definitely see his potential.
Thanks guys, but no one really answered the question as to if they think/are hearing if any of them are favoring going pro or staying in school.
I would guess Poythress and Goodwin are gone.
WCS is intriguing, because his parents have plenty of money, so he won't have to go for that. IS he enjoying college enough to want to come back next year?
WCS is the one I would like back the most no offense to Alex or Arch as they seem to be good kids but Arch drive and shoot first mentally drive me crazy, while Alex just makes me sad to see a kid that gifted just not produce
I've always heard that you can't coach size and that is why Orton was drafted. 7 footer with decent post moves. That is why WCS and Noel (although his heart is here) will be gone. Poy and Archie are a dime a dozen in the NBA so if anyone is stuck here on the bench behind the next class I think it will be those two...
Yea and look how that turned out for the Magic GM who is no longer there. Orton had no business getting drafted in round one or two that year. But if Poy and Archie get drafted in round one it will be a shock to not only me but millions of people around the world lol. There is no way Alex nor Archie are two of the best 32 players that will be available in June no way. But in Archie's case he better play well down the stretch or he might as well transfer because the guys coming in next year are more talented and they play team ball which will put his butt on the bench. Now if he stays he's at least a three year if not four year player and that's probably what needs to happen to him and WCS because neither of them have any business right now in the NBA. Now Poythress I have a different take on because I think if he stays he will be gone after year two mainly because of the point guard he will play with will make sure he's involved in the game. Randle would start and Alex would come off the bench and give us a double double and if Randle were to go elsewhere then Alex will be an All American. I know I'm crazy right but I'm telling you that the guard play this year has taken the life out of Alex. Next year the guard play will make Poythress an All American type player or he will play oversea's for his entire professional career.
The NBA scouts have already said this draft is historically weak. There are no less than 5 players in HS today that scouts have said they would take #1 if they had the chance.
A simple question: is your butt jealous of the amount crap coming from your mouth?
Needs to be the baseball rule - immediatley or after 3 years.
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