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When did it become "cool" to bash everything UK football related

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  • rgunslinger said... (original post)

    I know full well this team has a lot to improve on but my goodness there isn't a single part of our program that can be discussed without someone bashing the crap out of it. I just don't get it. Is it really necessary to be negative about every aspect?

    I understand the need to be critical at some things but I cringe at some of these posters that can't be positive about anything to do with the program. How much fun can it be to be a fan that hates everything about the program they supposed to be cheering for? That must be a miserable experience.

    Maybe I've just been on these boards too long. I just don't tolerate negative people very well and I wouldn't have someone like that around me in my personal life. I just can't imagine they are much fun to be around on a dailey basis, I know it gets beyond old reading it day after day.

    And most of us don't tolerate people who bash the paying customers like so many UK fans do. I know my company has no room for somebody like that.

  • Noone has bashed you at all. We have said we are tired of the constant UK sucks fire Joker now negativity that you constantly bring. Its simple blue either add something to the conversation that sparks discussion or don't comment. Noone has a problem with you not liking a certain aspect of UK that is fine. All we are asking is that you tone down the negativity. Also I can guarantee Slinger is gonna be one of the last people to bash someone. He has been an outstanding contributer since before this particular sites inception.

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  • alphacat93 said... (original post)

    I'm with y'all. As someone that has been here since the site's inception as Kentucky Ink, it's disheartening to see where we are as a community. While there are certainly areas that need improvement and areas of strength. We can discuss them constructively and intelligently, as has been the norm. Or, we can say everything sucks and always will suck, and faarr Joker, and faarr Sanders. Unfortunately, it's more of the latter and not the former. Sad!!

    These things always go in cycles depending on the team's performance. I've been through it so many times, it feels like old hat, but I hate to see the overall tone going in the other direction.

    What's unfortunate is that some people posting on message boards don't really want to have an honest discussion as much as they want to spread the misery that a college team losing games brings to their lives.

    When I had my heart surgery a few years ago, I vowed not to let sports affect me like that ever again. It's a challenge sometimes, but in general, when it comes to the teams I follow like the Reds and the Steelers, I vent for an hour or so and then let it go. I wish other people would do the same instead of returning to the site day after day after day looking to drag other people down with them.

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  • You guys think criticism is bad you don't know. Consistent top 25 in attendance with a passionate fan base is football heaven. IU with a bigger student body averaging 30% attendance per year and NO ONE CARES. IU is football hell. The answer to our problems is easy. Don't be the worst offensive team in all of college ball. Be competitive and play like you know the purpose of the game and UK fans will worship you. The last 7 games have been embarrassingly bad. That is the problem. Stop blaming the fan reaction. If someone is paying $3,000 a year for season tickets he should expect more and be able to criticize.

  • zcats said... (original post)

    You guys think criticism is bad you don't know. Consistent top 25 in attendance with a passionate fan base is football heaven. IU with a bigger student body averaging 30% attendance per year and NO ONE CARES. IU is football hell. The answer to our problems is easy. Don't be the worst offensive team in all of college ball. Be competitive and play like you know the purpose of the game and UK fans will worship you. The last 7 games have been embarrassingly bad. That is the problem. Stop blaming the fan reaction. If someone is paying $3,000 a year for season tickets he should expect more and be able to criticize.

    you are totally tuning out the purpose of the thread. It's been made clear in this thread that everyone understands that people will be upset, and that a message board needs balance. It's the constant incessant negative hammering. do you have a right? sure. I have to right to tell you that I think your negativity stinks. And as a season ticket holder for 23 years, I for one don't think that makes me entitled. You have a choice, buy tickets, or don't.

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  • zcats said... (original post)

    You guys think criticism is bad you don't know. Consistent top 25 in attendance with a passionate fan base is football heaven. IU with a bigger student body averaging 30% attendance per year and NO ONE CARES. IU is football hell. The answer to our problems is easy. Don't be the worst offensive team in all of college ball. Be competitive and play like you know the purpose of the game and UK fans will worship you. The last 7 games have been embarrassingly bad. That is the problem. Stop blaming the fan reaction. If someone is paying $3,000 a year for season tickets he should expect more and be able to criticize.

    I'm all for fair criticism, I do it myself, but that isn't what I'm talking about in this thread. What is becoming unbearable is the unrelenting barrage of negativity that some posters apparently take joy in spewing. It's become commonplace to bring up the same criticisms day after day after day and beat the same dead horse in as many threads as possible.

    It's fair to say "Newton has struggled with his accuracy and decision-making this season", that is a fair criticism. What is being posted by a select few, and is quickly becoming the norm is "Morgan sucks and he isn't D1 material" and what makes it worse is this same nonsense gets posted repeatedly in almost every thread no matter what the topic is. You can pretty much count on the following in any thread, "Morgan sucks", "Joker should be fired", "Mitch should be fired", "the UKAA sucks", and last but not least, "UK will never have a legit program until we hire a big name coach".

    All I'm saying is it's time to give some of this negative crap a rest, at least try to mix in something positive from time to time.

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  • I agree with the OP and the majority here. The endless bashing by a select few is tiresome. Be constructive or shit up already. I understand ranting for a day maybe but to go the entire season is ridiculous.

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  • mjdotson said... (original post)

    I will be the first to admit that I have spewed my share of venom this season, but it has mostly all been directed at the offensive playcalling and the refusal to adjust the scheme to fit our players strengths and weaknesses and to put them in the best position to succeed early and often in their career. That is almost a mirror image of my complaints last year about and his D. Those are issues I am passionate about as I feel they can be fixed by the coaches; however, I do get annoyed by the "UKAA doesn't give a damn about football.....Mitch is horrible and doesn't give a damn about UK football.....FAAAAAAAAAAAR Joker......FAAAAAAAAAR Mitch....etc." posts and threads.

    Like others have noted, I believe what has led to a lot of this (and even the more civil criticisms from most of us who have been on here for a long time) is the taste of remote success the program and the fans have tasted since 2006. Five years of consecutive trips to bowls, albeit lower tier bowls, followed by a LOT of talk from Joker & Co. about how we are taking the next step up the ladder and looking to win championships at UK, really raised a lot of people's expectations for this program....not just for this year, but as a whole. Then, when we see the team performing like this, it really takes the wind out of our proverbial sails all at once. Its tough and you will see a lot of people come to the boards to vent their frustrations with other fans. It just happens.

    The key is.....don't let the commentary go from voicing your criticisms about decisions made by the coaches and the players performing worse than we know they are capable of to blatant personal attacks at the players or making nonsensical demands about how we should fire the staff mid-season, fire the AD (who has done more for UK football than any UK AD in history), and how we should be competing with the "big boys" for the best recruits. Also, if you want to be taken seriously here, don't come on here and start talking about how we should throw $5 or $6 Million per year at a guy like Spurrier to get them to UK.

    I totally agree with you all your points. I have questioned some of the talk of how UK can't afford a top tier coach. Not because I want Joker gone, but because I really tire of talk that UK lacks such funds. Money was thrown at Cal to get him here, I just think football deserves the same opportunity if it presents itself. I really hope this season turns around and I really want to see Joker get the job done. It is very frustrating this year, more so than anytime I can remember in some time. I think it is due to the mediocre success that UK has had. Lets just hope we have a lower tier bowl to enjoy this year.

  • cobbycobb said... (original post)

    I agree with the OP and the majority here. The endless bashing by a select few is tiresome. Be constructive or shit up already. I understand ranting for a day maybe but to go the entire season is ridiculous.

    Amen, Cobby!

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  • Like or not, fans reach different levels of frustration... and they display their disappointments accordingly. That can only come across one way... very negatively. That doesn't mean they're any less of a fan, than those who remain positive... it just means they are demanding better. They want their voices to be heard. Mediocrity is no longer acceptable.

    The bottom line is... the "negativity" surrounding the program in NOT the fault of the fans. This is a problem created by the UKAA.... they are solely responsible for the fans frustrations. If they are not happy with all the negative comments, then FIX IT!!!! They made this mess.... they are the ones who must clean it up. NOT THE FANS!

    I figure if they want "positive" fan reaction... they will find a way to give us something to be "positive" about. Don't blame the fans for what you are hearing... or reading.

    Btw... there is nothing "COOL" about it... fans don't enjoy feeling the way they do.

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  • Bottom line: We all need to pick up our games and strive for a higher level of discussion.

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  • I've done some bashing myself recently but the boards have become pretty negative recently, I think we need to get behind the team as we head into a stretch of winnable games, Ole Miss, Miss State, Jax State, UT, Georgia and USC are winnable, so lets support the Cats!

    We should all take the example I saw last night in Tokyo, went to see the local baseball team, the Yomiuri Giants play, they lost on a catch on a hit that was a few feet from being a homer, people shouted or gave a wry look, shrugged, smiled, laughed about it and got on with their night. There was no getting bummed out about it, they lost the baseball game, so be it, back to real life. It was refreshing to see and how I watch sports, get involved, be passionate but once the final whistle blows, win or lose, get back to real life =)

  • IMO, it's hard as a fan to put my heart and soul into a UK brand that, frankly, isn't worth the investment this season. I'm not saying I hate anything, but I'm not real happy with the product that is on the field. UK has an experienced O-line, decent skill players, a more solid DC/scheme which is showing on the field, and a Jr. QB. There is NO REASON this team should have lost to UL. Or been in close games with CMU and WKU. None. Zero. Zip. UF always gives us fits with the speed, and LSU is a GOOD team, so I expect a loss, but at least be competitive in those losses.

    As a fanbase, we need to demand better. I was solidly behind Joker. I'm realistic enough to know that any great coaching hire we make won't stay around. Joker is a Ky native and a UK alum. I knew from a staying standpoint if he was successful he would be here. He's a solid recruiter, a "good guy" from what I hear, and the players seem to like him. Not sure they respect him...but that's for another discussion.

    I agree with QLW, this is a chance for UK to win some games and get some fans back. But UK has to make a SERIOUS investment in the FB program to have long-term success. It's almost embarrassing to play like we do against SEC teams and cash those checks for being in the league. Many people say UK can never have a winning program. With the way technology is today, I'm not sure I buy that excuse anymore. UK just has to put a good product out there, hire dynamic coaches/recruiters, and the kids WILL come. It's not a short-term process but it can happen...as long as we hold the administration accountable for it's actions and demand better from our FB brand.

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  • JawJacker said... (original post)

    The bottom line is... the "negativity" surrounding the program in NOT the fault of the fans. This is a problem created by the UKAA.... they are solely responsible for the fans frustrations. If they are not happy with all the negative comments, then FIX IT!!!! They made this mess.... they are the ones who must clean it up. NOT THE FANS!

    Our point is if you are upset that is fine. Doesnt matter who its with. Take it to the source. If you are upset with a PFC you dont go to his buddy. Go to the source. Tons of people are coming here to express their anger which is fine for a while but then you get what you're getting now. The rest of us are ready to move on. If you want the UKAA to change, send emails, write letters, do what is necessary to express your opinions. Hell "OCCUPY UKAA" JJ I know you can make yourself known if you wish. Being upset isnt the fault of the fans, being completely negative about every post you make is the fault of certain, and I use this loosely, "fans" that post on TCP.

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  • Just because you don't agree with their opinion doesn't mean that other people aren't "fans" or "true fans". These boards are full of fans, passionate fans. In my opinion, there is more balance and football knowledge here than in the stands around me. The frustration level within the general UK football community is off the charts. We had a player's family sit in front of us for the last home game and despite everyone welcoming them and displaying a sense of optimism that was somewhat pumped up because of their presence, they left at the half shaking their head at the quality of play.

    Everyone expresses that frustration differently. Some analyze the play calls, execution and personnel while others just throw up their hands and want someone fired. Everyone wants a higher level of discussion but how do you achieve it? If you bring up the parts of the program that are working better like the defense no one responds. If you try to come up with a proposal to fix the offense no one responds, even the "positive" guys. The negativity surrounding UK football is just human nature and a reaction to bad play and bad communication at times from the coaches. You see the bell curve of responses with some being overly negative, some being overly positive and the rest being in the middle, albeit the middle is very depressed and with reason. If you encourage free and respectful speech you are going to get a range of opinions and vilifying some people as being too negative or having an agenda is pointless.

    The point I was trying to make in my post is that lots of people really care about UK and the football program and that is really good. The fact that they are unhappy and griping is probably also good but it may not please everyone. No greater source than Caywood Ledford one said that UK fans were partially responsible for the chronic poor state of UK football because they supported the program win or lose. He said that if people stopped buying tickets the administration would have been forced to do something about it decades ago. A big part of getting a change at the top of the UKAA and a new AD was fan reaction to Ivy's public statements that basically said that the UK football fans would always show up so they didn't need to put much effort into the sport.

    I don't read a lot of posts on these boards for a number of reasons. This thread is another veiled attempt to transfer some of the responsibility of an unpleasant season onto the fans. I have only three final suggestions: one, be happy anyone cares about the program at all; two, if you don't like what someone says and it is said within the rules then either disagree in a response or ignore them; and three, the only thing that will fix this situation is better play on the field.

  • I dont disagree with a lot of that post Z. I will say I have offered my opinion many times outside of FIRE JOKER, which makes no sense midseason. I have even said if this trend continues then Joker and everyone else needs to be looked at and some if not everything need to be changed. This thread is more toward the people who dont offer any solutions. Pretty much everyone has said there is reasoning in the fans being upset. I dont know one single person who is content with the way UK is playing. As for your final points 1. I will agree 2. If you read the rules it says...". All members and visitors are required to respect each other and show respect for University of Kentucky coaches, players and administrators. Constructive criticism is permitted and friendly debate encouraged, but must be done in a civil manner that demonstrates a basic respect for all involved." Several times that hasnt been the case. That stuff needs to stop. 3. Completely agree and I think we see it starting on Sat.

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  • Jeff Drummond said... (original post)

    Bottom line: We all need to pick up our games and strive for a higher level of discussion.

    agreed

  • The points some of you seem to be missing is simple

    1. NOBODY is happy with the season thus far.
    2. We ALL want and demand better
    3. We recognize that you need to vent and get your frustration out but that doesn't give you carpe blanche to post continuously in a negative mindset. Buck up and let it go. Post something positive and stop being a chicken little all the time.
    4. We here at the new TCP want a more positive board and the constant negativity won't be allowed. This is a FAN site and if you are so upset and despise the team so much stop being a fan or get a life and stop letting it bring you down so much. just sayin'

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  • cobbycobb said... (original post)

    The points some of you seem to be missing is simple

    1. NOBODY is happy with the season thus far. 2. We ALL want and demand better 3. We recognize that you need to vent and get your frustration out but that doesn't give you carpe blanche to post continuously in a negative mindset. Buck up and let it go. Post something positive and stop being a chicken little all the time. 4. We here at the new TCP want a more positive board and the constant negativity won't be allowed. This is a FAN site and if you are so upset and despise the team so much stop being a fan or get a life and stop letting it bring you down so much. just sayin'

    Upvote a thousand times over again. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Warmother51 said... (original post)

    Upvote a thousand times over again. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    +1 for you and cobbycobb.

  • cobbycobb said... (original post)

    The points some of you seem to be missing is simple

    1. NOBODY is happy with the season thus far. 2. We ALL want and demand better 3. We recognize that you need to vent and get your frustration out but that doesn't give you carpe blanche to post continuously in a negative mindset. Buck up and let it go. Post something positive and stop being a chicken little all the time. 4. We here at the new TCP want a more positive board and the constant negativity won't be allowed. This is a FAN site and if you are so upset and despise the team so much stop being a fan or get a life and stop letting it bring you down so much. just sayin'

    We disagree on two points:
    1. and 2. are universally accepted.
    3. Actually, unless you change the rules a participant on these boards does have carte blanche post anything they want about UK sports in a respectful manner, positive or negative. I could demand you stop being such a pollyanna, albeit often an insulting one, but I don't usually feel the need and by my reading it is within the rules of the board.
    4. (basically the same as 3) Fine, if constant negativity is not allowed then make that a rule. I would add that if what fans say upsets you so much and makes you despise them then you should stop participating on these boards and you can get a life. Just because someone is unhappy with a sports team doesn't mean they don't have a life. Don't be silly.