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Who Is SEC's #14 School?

  • I say Missouri. If they would grow some cajones, what would you all think about having #15 and #16 as Oklahoma and Kansas? If both did not require their state schools to tag along, it would be an incredible footprint and give Kentucky a renewed rivalry with a basketball school on par with us in tradition.

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  • By the way, Oklahoma coming without state is not out of the question. They strongly considered it last year, but the state legislature said that State must come along in the package. Considering circumstances, I don't think that would be as big a deal this time around.

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  • blueblindness said... (original post)

    I say Missouri. If they would grow some cajones, what would you all think about having #15 and #16 as Oklahoma and Kansas? If both did not require their state schools to tag along, it would be an incredible footprint and give Kentucky a renewed rivalry with a basketball school on par with us in tradition.

    Expansion is about football!! Its about getting into markets that conferences are not it. There are many schools that the SEC would want before Kansas. They offer nothing.

  • Agreed, and Kansas assumed the ACC schools are telling the truth that they do not want an SEC invitation. It is pretty clear that FSU, Clemson, and Georgia Tech are never going to happen because of FL, UGA, and SCe's agreement to block that vote. I would prefer Va Tech, North Carolina, or Duke over Kansas, but they may be the best available. I would rather have Kansas over Ok St or Kansas State for sure. Even thought Ok St has a better football program, their academics is a big step down and Kansas showed in recent years that they can be competitive in football. Of course, they are horrible at the moment.

    Land The Plane

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  • Duke in the SEC. Not sure I could ever get used to that during basketball season.

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  • What's the ACC's tv deal like? How much more money would VaTech make in the SEC?

  • I think sometimes this might come down to a process of elimination and who makes sense.

    Schools from the Big 12:

    Oklahoma-I think they want to go the Pac 10. If Texas comes fine, but I think they are ready to move on with life with our without Texas, preferably without.

    Ok St-think they are tied to Oklahoma.

    Kansas/K St-again, I think they are a package and don't view them as doing any good.

    Mizzou-a new market. Do wonder why the Big 10 didn't want them?

    So, out of the Big 12 I think the only ones are:

    Oklahoma, Ok St and Mizzou, but again, I think Ok/OKSt go Pac 10. Does the SEC want Mizzou is the ?

    Let's go to other schools in the east.

    Va Tech-IIRC they cried and whined to the Va Legislature and UVA to get them in the ACC. I think they really look bad if they jump ship. Not saying they won't, but they'll catch 10 kinds of hell politically if the go, IMO. The do make sense geographically and with the DC market.

    WVA-they offer the Pittsburg market. But, Pittsburg is a pro town with football and hockey. They make sense from a geographic sense too.

    Maryland-I think their atheletic department is a wreck and they get looked over.

    NC State-I think this could be the sleeper of the group. The SEC can sit down right in the middle of Tabacco Road and pretty much Duke and UNC have nothing to say about it. It give he SEC a huge market in Raleigh with numerous alumni clubs.

    I think Miami, FSU, UL, Clemson and Ga Tech get no looks with schools from those states already in the SEC.

    So,in the eastern part of the US...I think its only WVA and NC State.

    Here is a guess: I think they go to 16 before they would 14. Have 4, 4 team divisions. Maybe 15 and have 3 5 team divisions.

    SEC South:
    Florida-South Carolina-UGA-NC St

    SEC East:
    UK-Vandy-UT-WVA

    SEC Central:
    Bama-Aub-Ole Miss-Miss St

    SEC West
    Mizzou-A&M-Arkansas-LSU

    Play a 9 game schedule in football.
    Each team from your division- 3 games
    A permanent opponet from each division-3 games
    Rotate a team from each division-3 games.

    Take the 2 highest BCS teams for the SEC title game.

    In basketball you play each team in your division x's 2 and everyone else for 18 games.

  • Sounds like Va Tech is the hot name right now. Van Pelt made the point I've made for quite a while. All these teams that want to add these big name teams are going to find out that the grass was greener when they sart getting their but kicked year in and year out.

    If Va Tech comes they are going to remember when they could go 10-2 and go to the Orange Bowl and now they will be going 8-4 to 7-5 and go to the Music City or Peach. By the way, where does that leave us? As a UK football fan... I have a bad feeling about all of this.

  • bigbluemist said... (original post)

    I think sometimes this might come down to a process of elimination and who makes sense.

    Schools from the Big 12:

    Oklahoma-I think they want to go the Pac 10. If Texas comes fine, but I think they are ready to move on with life with our without Texas, preferably without.

    Ok St-think they are tied to Oklahoma.

    Kansas/K St-again, I think they are a package and don't view them as doing any good.

    Mizzou-a new market. Do wonder why the Big 10 didn't want them?

    So, out of the Big 12 I think the only ones are:

    Oklahoma, Ok St and Mizzou, but again, I think Ok/OKSt go Pac 10. Does the SEC want Mizzou is the ?

    Let's go to other schools in the east.

    Va Tech-IIRC they cried and whined to the Va Legislature and UVA to get them in the ACC. I think they really look bad if they jump ship. Not saying they won't, but they'll catch 10 kinds of hell politically if the go, IMO. The do make sense geographically and with the DC market.

    WVA-they offer the Pittsburg market. But, Pittsburg is a pro town with football and hockey. They make sense from a geographic sense too.

    Maryland-I think their atheletic department is a wreck and they get looked over.

    NC State-I think this could be the sleeper of the group. The SEC can sit down right in the middle of Tabacco Road and pretty much Duke and UNC have nothing to say about it. It give he SEC a huge market in Raleigh with numerous alumni clubs.

    I think Miami, FSU, UL, Clemson and Ga Tech get no looks with schools from those states already in the SEC.

    So,in the eastern part of the US...I think its only WVA and NC State.

    Here is a guess: I think they go to 16 before they would 14. Have 4, 4 team divisions. Maybe 15 and have 3 5 team divisions.

    SEC South: Florida-South Carolina-UGA-NC St

    SEC East: UK-Vandy-UT-WVA

    SEC Central: Bama-Aub-Ole Miss-Miss St

    SEC West Mizzou-A&M-Arkansas-LSU

    Play a 9 game schedule in football. Each team from your division- 3 games A permanent opponet from each division-3 games Rotate a team from each division-3 games.

    Take the 2 highest BCS teams for the SEC title game.

    In basketball you play each team in your division x's 2 and everyone else for 18 games.

    Very nice, thoughtful analysis.

  • UK's football program will seize to exist.

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  • NC State is intriguing. With UNC's looming NCAA sanctions, they have a chance to break away in football. They have reminded me of Georgia recently on a lesser scale... talent with no apparent organization or discipline. I think they would thrive and may be feeling a bit of the little brother like Texas A&M. If Missouri does not pan out, I would not be opposed to NC State, Virginia Tech, and UVA coming along so we do not upset the legislature. I read about the ACC's TV deal the other day but cannot recollect the details. I do know that it is not as lucrative as the current SEC, which we would be able to renegotiate anyway once more teams are added. UVA is not strong in athletics right now, but they are still among the most lucrative Athletic Departments. I know this is secondary, but the geography makes a ton of sense, too. I think it rounds out the southern footprint. Plus, being a UK fan living in Nashville, I feel a bit sorry for Vanderbilt because they care much more about others than others care about them. UVA would become a good rival for them since they are similar institutions with comparable athletics. UVA's olympic sports are very good. Again, secondary to football, but sweeping Virgina and getting a firm foot in North Carolina seems like the best fit for the SEC as a whole.

    Land The Plane

  • JayCatz44 said... (original post)

    UK's football program will seize to exist.

    As I mentioned below, adding schools like NC State and Virginia would help UK not be such a basement dweller. UK still just needs to put up or shut up, though. We've got to seize it.

    Land The Plane

  • CATinFL said... (original post)

    Very nice, thoughtful analysis.

    I like this idea. Interesting...

  • The bold move would be to add Rutgers.

    Not only would it open up the second largest TV market in the country to SEC football (with not much competition), it opens up a whole section of the country to big-time football. It's bound to have an effect at the high school level and over time, would produce a lot more talent (and it would likely belong to our conference).

    New Jersey is clearly not in the southeast, but neither is College Station. Nobody's going to ride the bus out to Aggie land anyway. In the worst cases, it's probably a 30-minute difference in the plane ride.

  • JayCatz44 said... (original post)

    UK's football program will seize to exist.

    Will that be because we forgot to lubricate it?blackeye

  • MatanzasCat said... (original post)

    Will that be because we forgot to lubricate it?blackeye

    No, it's from watching that Pokeman cartoon.

  • blueblindness said... (original post)

    The bold move would be to add Rutgers.

    Not only would it open up the second largest TV market in the country to SEC football (with not much competition), it opens up a whole section of the country to big-time football. It's bound to have an effect at the high school level and over time, would produce a lot more talent (and it would likely belong to our conference).

    New Jersey is clearly not in the southeast, but neither is College Station. Nobody's going to ride the bus out to Aggie land anyway. In the worst cases, it's probably a 30-minute difference in the plane ride.

    Football simply isn't as important in the Northeast. Syracuse used to be a great football program. Football just isn't a big deal.

  • blueblindness said... (original post)

    The bold move would be to add Rutgers.

    Yes, but the cost would be pretty substantial in terms of fan loyalty and tradition. Whether we want to admit it or not, some of the pride in the SEC is sticking it to other regions that have relatively negative views toward our region and way of life, or at least their interpretation of it. It is all in good fun, but that is why we love college sports; the intrigue and rivalries. I think if we ever get to the point of stretching these conferences so far that culture and fit no longer play the most important role, every school might as well go independent, schedule their preferred rivals, and make however much money they can off of individual game contracts and third tier media. I feel the same about Texas Tech potentially going to the PAC... how exactly does that serve anyone other than gaining UT? I am all for schools making as much as they can, but there comes a point where blowback occurs from the fans and students. I think they are treading that line right now.

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  • bigbluemist said... (original post)

    I think sometimes this might come down to a process of elimination and who makes sense.

    Schools from the Big 12:

    Oklahoma-I think they want to go the Pac 10. If Texas comes fine, but I think they are ready to move on with life with our without Texas, preferably without.

    Ok St-think they are tied to Oklahoma.

    Kansas/K St-again, I think they are a package and don't view them as doing any good.

    Mizzou-a new market. Do wonder why the Big 10 didn't want them?

    So, out of the Big 12 I think the only ones are:

    Oklahoma, Ok St and Mizzou, but again, I think Ok/OKSt go Pac 10. Does the SEC want Mizzou is the ?

    Let's go to other schools in the east.

    Va Tech-IIRC they cried and whined to the Va Legislature and UVA to get them in the ACC. I think they really look bad if they jump ship. Not saying they won't, but they'll catch 10 kinds of hell politically if the go, IMO. The do make sense geographically and with the DC market.

    WVA-they offer the Pittsburg market. But, Pittsburg is a pro town with football and hockey. They make sense from a geographic sense too.

    Maryland-I think their atheletic department is a wreck and they get looked over.

    NC State-I think this could be the sleeper of the group. The SEC can sit down right in the middle of Tabacco Road and pretty much Duke and UNC have nothing to say about it. It give he SEC a huge market in Raleigh with numerous alumni clubs.

    I think Miami, FSU, UL, Clemson and Ga Tech get no looks with schools from those states already in the SEC.

    So,in the eastern part of the US...I think its only WVA and NC State.

    Here is a guess: I think they go to 16 before they would 14. Have 4, 4 team divisions. Maybe 15 and have 3 5 team divisions.

    SEC South: Florida-South Carolina-UGA-NC St

    SEC East: UK-Vandy-UT-WVA

    SEC Central: Bama-Aub-Ole Miss-Miss St

    SEC West Mizzou-A&M-Arkansas-LSU

    Play a 9 game schedule in football. Each team from your division- 3 games A permanent opponet from each division-3 games Rotate a team from each division-3 games.

    Take the 2 highest BCS teams for the SEC title game.

    In basketball you play each team in your division x's 2 and everyone else for 18 games.

    this conference makeup feels about right and sounds good. I think all the newcomers bring something unique to the conference. however i would prefer to see VaTech instead of WVU

    i think UK is fine where its stands, on a good year in football we can compete or beat Mizzou, A&M, and NC St. VaTech might be a stretch but you cannot win them all.

    now that it is crystal clear that football is driving the realignment i would hate to be UNC, Duke, or Kansas. Traditional powerhouse basketball schools in conferences whose future is in doubt due to realignment.

  • hoptownukfan said... (original post)

    Football simply isn't as important in the Northeast. Syracuse used to be a great football program. Football just isn't a big deal.

    That's a chicken or an egg thing. You can argue that it's not a big deal because there's not a decent college team east of Happy Valley. It's easy to dismiss college football in the area because it has no presence.

    New York City remains the capital of American print media. Bristol, CT is the capital of college sports on TV. Having all the SEC teams go up there once every few years can only help the league's exposure.

    Overall, I'm against expansion for expansion's sake. I don't think A&M or Rutgers or any other school can bring enough revenue to offset the smaller slice of pie that the current members will receive. But I understand the SEC exploring the opportunity just in case we do end up with four super-conferences that may or may not involve the NCAA. If that's where we're going to end up, regionalism is a (distant) secondary concern.

  • Maryland and the DC market makes the most sense, IMO.

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  • Jeff Drummond said... (original post)

    Maryland and the DC market makes the most sense, IMO.

    I agree 100%. maryland expands the markets the most. It's also a border/southern state. If we go 16 teams I'd like to see Maryland, and possibly uva or va tech, and then Texas A&M and mizzou. Add two to east and two to west.

  • hoptownukfan said... (original post)

    I agree 100%. maryland expands the markets the most. It's also a border/southern state. If we go 16 teams I'd like to see Maryland, and possibly uva or va tech, and then Texas A&M and mizzou. Add two to east and two to west.

    I'm hoping for otherwise, but I believe UVA and Va Tech are attached at the hip just like the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. As a UK fan, I am really pulling for Missouri. As outlined in a post on the other hot topic, I think the addition of Missouri, assuming we are competitive with them, helps our football recruiting.

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  • I vote for WVU. It gives the Charleston/Huntington market, Pittsburg, northeastern Ohio, PA and Maryland along with DC area which has a large WVU alumni base. They have a great football/basketball setup, a fanbase that travels well and solid AD. As to the physical plant, they would have to improve baseball field and perhaps enlarge seating at Mountaineer Field. Additional suites are already planned.

    They take their football serious. Hold a 4-2 record against SEC in last 6 games and 2-0 at home. By adding WVU, it balances out the east verses west. Doesn't cause a problem with the ACC on poaching.

    I guess the best argument is that Slive now has permission to talk to WVU and Missouri for the 14th spot. I would take that to mean the loser will be #15 or 16 when the league goes to 16.