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I personally think gordan is staying out west and uk waits to see what wiggins does. But I do believe if wiggins opts to go to fsu or unc (I think its them two and uk) then cal gives hawkins the last scholarship.
And as to our current players I believe WCS should declare just for the fact his draft status will never be higher. We all know nba drafts big on potential I think wcs has highest ceiling of our freshmen.
I think thats honestly all we will lose. I think archie and alex will both return, but I just cant see harrow returning. After this season I cant see cal having a weak pg ever again. Harrow can be a good player I just dont think he fits cals system or kentuckys spotlight for that matter.
What you guys think.
This post was edited by wldcatblu32 13 months ago
Agree w/most of this...Goodwin might be iffy too, if he's a guaranteed 1st rounder...I think Cal pretty much reached the breaking point w/Harrow the last coupla games...what of Wiltjer?? You make no mention of him...he's certainly been a hot topic of late...
Wiltjer honestly im puzzled. Lack of athletic ability hurts him so much. I watch him play and feel like its a poor mans adam morrison. If he could learn to create his own shot it would do wonders for him. After this year I think he realizes he has to have great players around him to help take the defensive focus off him whens he's in the game. If he cant pick and pop then hes just a body out there, and I hope he proves me wrong cause hes a great kid and with improvement a great player. Im going to go out on a limb cause honestly I have no clue but i think he returns close to home but NOT the zags.
They say FSU is pretty much out for Wiggins.
I believe it is best for Wiltjer to return and redshirt next year. This will allow him to work on his strength and foot speed while practicing against great competition. I think the Gonzaga big man did the same thing after a few years and he's a beast now!
I agree with almost everything you've got there. Unless someone can teach WCS a credible post game over the offseason and up his 2014 draft status, he's better served to leave this year and learn a post game in the D League for a year. I don't agree that Harrow HAS to go. He's going to be the backup next season, or worst case scenario the third string PG. We could do worse than having a 5 star backup/third string point guard. Long story short, he really can't hurt them next season IMO.
I do not envy Cal if Archie and Alex stay and Wiggins signs. That's a lot of bodies for a limited amount of playing time. Imagine....
PG - Harrison, Harrow, Polson
SG - Harrison, Goodwin, Young, Harrow
SF - Wiggins, Poythress, Young, Hood(?)
PF - Randle, Lee, Wiltjer, Poythress, Willis
C - Johnson (assuming WCS leaves), Randle, Lee
WCS draft status can certainly be higher if he comes back.
I dont see the same "lot of bodies for limited playing time" I see a super-star starter with a very capable, but need-more-time-to-be-a-star back up.
PG Harrison backup Harrow/Polson
SG Harrison backup Goodwin
SF Wiggins (hopefully) backup Young
PF Randle backup Poythress/Willis
C Johnson backup Lee
If WCS returns, and Goodwin leaves, then everyone moves up a spot on the above list.
Wiltjer is the wildcard.
Now every position has a good back up to give the starter a good rest or if any foul trouble.
What a team this would be!!!
Keep in mind that even if Willie comes back and performs very well next year ... next year's draft class is much deeper and more talented than this year's. He could come back, improve, perform very well and still slip in the draft below where he might go this year.
I think young is gonna be a star regardless if he starts or comes off the bench
Archie Goodwin (Might decide to go into the draft but doubtful)
Alex Poythress (Ditto Archie)
Ryan Harrow (may be the one who is least welcomed back)
Jarrod Polson (could go walk-on)
Dominique Hawkins (probably a Cat if there's a ride, but will there be?)
Jon Hood (possible GA spot? - rumor)
Andrew Wiggins (is a lock if he decides to come)
Kyle Wiltjer (possible transfer?)
Willie Cauley-Stein (most likely to enter the draft, after Nerlens)
Nine locks means there are four rides for seven possiblities.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by bluedynasty 13 months ago
The top 5 or 6 of the draft will be much better but on down won't be much different. If wcs shows any sign of a post game and improved shooting he could skyrocket into the top 6-7. Right now he's projected from 15-20
I would say there are 4 rides for 6 possibilities only because polson does not need a scholly he would just be a walk-on again
its either Harrow or Hawkins.. we wont have both
Jarrod will go back to a walk-on
Andrew Wiggins signs
Wiltjer- i have no idea he might transfer or he could stay
Hood is dependent on Kyle if Kyle transfers he has a scholly if Kyle stays he becomes a grad assistant
WCS should stay.
Simply because if he plays against the freakish freshmen then he will learn to be a better ball player (Commitment). He will be more ready to play NBA when he goes out next year. Will join a team that needs them right away.
With 4 years to develop before the second contract, he can get extremely good. Which will allow him to get big second contract.
Yeah I believe its all upside for Willie to stay. If he leaves not so much. Stay here and develop and win a ring. Or spend the next year in the D league. Of course the possibility of injury does play a factor as do family situations.
Can someone explain to me the benefits of staying in college over playing in the D league? (and I mean this as a first round draft pick that had to go down to get some PT and develop, not as a player choosing the D-League over college)
I am making several assumptions about playing in the D-League:
1. There is not going to be any limit on how much a given player can practice during the week. It's their job.
2. There is a definite impetus for these teams that draft a player in the first round to develop said player. At a minimum the player can turn into a
high quality trade asset.
3. The level of individual talent is going to be much, much higher in the D-League than in the college game.
This post was edited by BlueGhost 13 months ago
I look at it this way. What are the benefits of staying in college vs. working a regular job? Basically just the ability to remain a kid for a year longer and to have some more fun. Why rush growing up? Especially when its pretty obvious you are no where near ready for it mentally and in Willie's case he could be in a better situation with another year physically. I don't know this to be true but I think if you asked most guys in the D league if they'd rather have the perks of being a UK basketball player while developing their basketball skills or playing in the D league for those that have been through it they'd take the UK route. But like I said I don't know that to be true and clearly I'm talking about the young guys not the older guys in the D league.
Yeah, those are good points. I'm just not sure they're going to be the same for a high level draft pick as for a journeyman. My family was a middle class family growing up and I think we'd be hard pressed to turn down lottery money, even if you only got it for three years. I also think that the D league is going to get more developed in the next 5-10 years as you see more pro teams stashing guys down there that they want to see get better and stronger. The college game is dying an awkward death with the one and done rules.
I think it probably depends on what kind of family you have. My family was middle class too but my mother and father paid their bills and saved money so we weren't hurting for anything financially. So if I were in WCS's situation there would be no pressure either way. It would simply be about doing whats best for me. Not whats best for the family financially.
And I agree the D league is definitely getting better and stronger but I still think as a rule you don't go in the draft knowing your going to spend most of your first year or two in the D league and with Willie that is most certainly the case. With Jones and others that really wasn't the case. I know at least I didn't think that was going to be the case. But Jones went to a place where they were loaded at his position. So why sit him on the bench when he can be developed with playing time in the D league not to mention that other guys can be auditioned as trade bait. But its completely different with Willie. We know he's going to be sent to the D league. And to me you don't leave under those conditions unless you are pretty much guaranteed a top 10 pick. Now its possible still that Willie gets that kind of guarantee. That I don't know.
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