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Can you give us the article where he said that? Honestly can anybody remember the group he came in with? That was why he came here was because of the talent he was joining so why would next year's group scare him off? If Kyle leaves, I will be surprised but lets not push him out the door because as a junior next year he will be very valuable for us.
Didn't say I disagree.... He/she is the one user on this forum who is going to personally nag anyone who says something that he/she dislikes. There are ways you talk to people...
Kyle is good enough to play here. He needs to really work in the weight room and train all off season. If he can get stronger and quicker he can be a much better player. He has always been developmentally young for his age. Kyle looks a lot like the players we saw 25 years ago. If you go back to photos of Issel or Robey as sophomores they had a similar build. I am not comparing them as players but their physical development. He just needs to work harder in the off season. It is important to actually have someone on the team that knows more plays besides driving to the basket if you want to win. He is a very skilled and intelligent player.
Due to his head, sometimes I think he's the best point guard we have. Some of our best offensive plays of the season have come when he picks up on an open cutter.
Absolutely, he is very dangerous in the high post. He is a threat to hit the cutter back door, pick and pop, and if the lane is clear he is sneaky enough to roll to the basket. He has been well coached.
Thought the same thing several weeks ago.
When he is in the offense always seems to run much more smooth.
Why does everybody act like Wiltjer is gonna transfer and go to another good team and play. Do you really think Mark Few is gonna allow Wiltjer to get scored on every play and keep playing him? He want get more than 20 mpg any big time school unless he gets bigger and stronger.
In order for him to "hit the cutter" though, he has to be in the game and if you play for Cal you have to be able to defend at a very high level. For all the talk of this team's inability to score, it's the shoddy defense that's aging Cal this season.
Had we had landed Bazz or Bennett and Nerlens stayed healthy this year, chance are Kyle would barely be leaving the bench right now (just as Poythress would have to be playing hard at all times or be playing less). That changes next year. There will be several guys capable of playing better interior defense next year. It will take a massive amount of offseason work for KW to become even an adequate defender.
Kyle (like everyone on this team) has to ask himself several questions after the final game. In Kyle's case, those are: 1) if I work my butt off this summer, is it going to be enough to gain significant rotation minuntes? 2) How important is playing time to me? 3) Am I willing to put in that kind of work? 4) Am I better off putting in the work here or with a fresh start somewhere else.
That's Kyle's decision and whatever he decides is fine with me. Not trying to push him out the door. Just saying it's one option he'll have to consider.
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Without a doubt, the kid has got some HUGE glaring weaknesses defensively to be as skilled as he is offensively (when he is asserting himself).
He badly needs maturity to handle his performance lulls (seems to get down on himself alot), and to at least become serviceable defensively. I don't know how you get that done and won't pretend to, but maybe lateral quickness, strength, footwork? Lots and lots and lots of squats? I'm not sure.
I have no idea about any rumors, but Kyle is a 6th man, role player type of guy. Theres no shame in that either. The reason he is struggling this year is because there are no star players around him to take the pressure off of him. He can't play D, and can't create his own shot, but he can make wide open 3's all day if the opposing defenses leave him alone to worry about the rest of the team.
It would be crazy for him to leave, just when the situation is setting up to make him shine. If he sticks around and shows what he can do as a role playing 3 point shooter, he will get a shot and earn a paycheck as a bench player in the NBA.
I still think, if he leaves, it's to go try to get drafted while he can. He's about as good as he's going to be for the role he's going to play. And if he ever is going to get drafted, this is the year to do it. The next years' drafts will be much stronger.
Kyle still has a lot of physical maturing to do.
He really isn't close to maturing into his body yet. He's a lot like Ryan Kelly was at this point on Kelly's career. Kyle needs squats and agility drills this off season. Lots of kids don't get the physical maturity they need until their junior or senior year. We've just been spoiled to have so many kids who come in ready to play right away they we aren't used to having to wait for a kid to mature. We have some who insist we need "four year players". We've got one and some of you are trying to run him off.
Consider they teyshaun didn't contribute much his first year. Consider that harrelson didn't do a thing til his senior year.
Not saying I want him gone. But should he go, I would think he goes the pro route over the transfer route.
Sorry. Wasn't so singling you out...
Bingo. Wiltjer is a good offensive player. I think he will be a monster as a senior here. But, the weight room ain't gonna do shit for him. He's not weak or timid, he's just slow as hell. That will never change. Not a chance in hell he's an nba player, but he will be and is key here!
Disagree, Harrelson wasn't a very fast player and his foot speed wasn't any faster than Kyle's. The problem I see is that Kyle needs to be able to guard the opposing teams center but isn't currently strong enough. He isn't fast enough in our defense to switch between threes and four like he does now and isn't strong enough to guard the five. If he puts on say 30 pounds of muscle and can play the five and guard the five like Harrelson he becomes a matchup nightmare. He has post moves, can pass, dribble drive,and jump shoot better than Harrelson. Imagine now if he could bang and play physical like Harrelson. I think he could definitely contribute maybe start in year four and make an NBA roster.
The reason Wiltjer had a good year last year was because of all the talent and fire-power around him. Teams couldn't focus just on him, so he got a lot of open shots. It could be the same way next year.
Harrellson was a really big dude. I would think his performance against Sullinger fr ohio state was a huge boost to his stock. Looking back, that was just an awesome performance culminating in that baseball throw to the gut and staredown
Right, probably never be exact build as Harrelson. True, Harrelson benefited from conning out of nowhere and thus teams not putting in practice time to figure out how stop him. I guess what I'm trying to say is that wiljter needs to be able to defend the 5 in the post because he can't defend threes and mobile 4s. In order to do so he needs to add muscle. I think (opinion) that if he can add 20 or 30 pounds of muscle and guard the other teams center with his offensive skills he can contribute more than he does now and maybe earn a spot in the NBA. Maybe Harrelson was a bad comparison. Just thought it was a good example of how someone could get committed to making themselves better and becoming a big contributor.
you are mistaken about something. He was open because he was a freshmen and no one truly had a scouting report on him. As the season progressed, his minutes went down quite a bit.
Also, Coach Cal didn't play Wiltjer at all against any physical team. He purposely allowed Wiltjer higher minutes against none physical teams, and limited minutes against physical teams. (or shitty teams)
His 20 plus minutes came against, Penn state, Radford, Chattanooga, Samford, and Loyola. That's it. And then you look at minutes against SEC, only time Wiltjer saw minutes were when we blew opponents out. Obviously he came to prevent injury to our star players.
Yes, having fire power helps. I have made that point before as well. However, against Wiltjer you don't need to focus on defense. You just need to remember one thing, his 3 point shooting. Since he doesn't lift that high, you can give some space as long as you jump to defend. That's why even tho, he LOOKS open, he still doesn't shoot or feel comfortable shooting TODAY. Which is one of the reason why he struggles.
Also, another issue with wiltjer is he is too WEAK to guard a center. He gets moved around too easily, and also you saw yesterday he has no strength to move a 4. That's a huge problem. Only time you see Wiltjer dominate offense is when you have major mismatch, and he is actually on stronger side. Which is rare.
Another issue is rebounding. He needs to beef up just to take up more space. Just so you can move people out of position, or get your self in good position to rebound. Watch him, he get's moved around like Cousin moved people around. Remember against Mississippi state in SEC championship. I still remember the hilarious in regulation buzzer beater tie. Cousin literally moved 2/3 MSU player to the side, and made a bucket. Harrellson was so strong that he moved people around, hence the high offensive rebound rate. Wiltjer needs that strength.
Also, base strength will help quickness and speed. Combine strength training and plyometric, that boy should be able to show major improvement in 2 years (by end of senior year).
Nobody had a scouting report? Huh? By the middle of the season everybody knew when he came in that he was going to shoot. It has a ton to do with the talent around him.
Just be patient. He's made progress this year. Hopefully he makes more next year. If he does, compelled with the talent we have next year he will probably take another big jump.
Spot on. But I think he will be that guy sooner than u do. Still, even with poly whatever, dudes got no quicks. Which means he is constantly gonna get abused on pic and rolls. Switch or no switch. Offensively he needs to step into his shot long range, and needs space to operate on the interior. Both of those options are taken away by any team worth a damn. So, he is limited to hitting looonnnnggg threes and getting away with travels right now. No worries though, he will be a key piece this year and the next 2. I still think hood is going to represent as much as Wiltjer
Wiltjer could be even better than Erik Murphy if he stays and puts in the work in the weight room. Murphy is a nice player. Any program would be lucky to have a player of that caliber. Murphy owned Wiltjer yesterday. But he's a senior and therein lies the difference. If Kyle works on his body and fills out he can get there. And I think he's got a little more natural ability than Murphy.
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