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Florida said they had all the information they needed to stop elston turner. Their players said after the game that all you gotta do is force him left, which they did, and he can't get his shot off. They held him to 4 points!!! I believe someone on here said during the A&M game that we needed to force him left and got ripped for saying it; who was that guy who said that on here?!
Calipari told his players the same thing and they just didn't do it. Comment from Ryan Harrow after the game:
“We had talked about, for a couple of days now, Coach was telling us if he’s driving right, that means he’s going to pull up. If he’s going left, that means he’s going to step back and if he’s facing up, you know he’s going to try to do a crossover, but he’s never going to go to the hole. So we needed to put pressure on him, but he was just knocking down shots today. I don’t believe he went to the hole once. We just didn’t do what we were supposed to do on him.”
That's the difference between freshmen and kids that have been there for a while. Freshmen think that their talent will carry them if they don't prepare properly.
thanks for that info Matt I had not seen that. This is exactly the kind of stuff that drives me crazy with this team. If Cal knew all this ahead of time and told them to force him left, and they don't do it, then it just drives me insane. In all honesty Matt, is it that a lot of these players have a low basketball IQ, is it youth/inexperience, or do some of these players just have an issue with listening to Coach Cal? I tend to believe that it is the IQ thing with some of them, but I just get the feeling that some of them have a real issue with Cal, Goodwin in particular. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think as the other poster mentioned a lot of it is just youth and inexperience. They don't understand how important it is to pay attention to detail. They've never had to in the past because they were by far the best players on the floor a year ago playing South Jefferson High School (or whatever no name high school). Now, if you're a second behind doing what you're supposed to, you're beat. Players at this level are too good. And unlike high school, when a dude gets rolling at this level he isn't going to cool off.
But I also think this team lacks a guy - or three - that will cut your nads off to win like Cal's other teams have had. (Cousins/Wall/Bledsoe; Knight/Liggins; MKG/Davis). Maybe Noel gets to that point. Maybe Goodwin. But right now I don't see that with this group.
By having such a small roster Cal loses the threat of benching a player to get their attention. These 5-6 man classes which flush each year won't work every year. He needs 9-10 guys who can play and at least one guy a year who will stay for a couple of years or more.
I agree they are young and inexperienced but after losing 5 games with 2 of them being at Rupp you would think they would have grown up a little and learned a little by now. I think that the "young and inexperienced" thing is now being used as a crutch for this team instead of the apparent fact that they dont have a great basketball IQ and arent coming together as a team as much as the previous 3 teams have. By this point in the season you would think they would have learned that talent alone isnt enough and they need each other to do the jobs Cal has been trying to get them to do so they can become a team not just a group of basketball players.
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We definitely have been spoiled after the year we had last year and the run that Cal has been on since he came to Kentucky and you can even go back to the years he had at Memphis. I watched last week and I continue to see the "I" in team that does not transfer to winning basketball. Putting that many pieces together every year it has been remarkable how good his teams have become, however it seems each year he had either enough experienced leadership or an outstanding individual to carry his message. Don't think we have it this year, but I am not giving up. Does anyone believe that we have one player on this team that can get us 20 or more points every night with their best effort? We need that go to guy on the offensive end that is going to make those critical shots. Actually, Goodwin has been that but he offsets that with his French circus shots.
Yeah, last year was a wash.
I know, we had some other players too but its sounds childish to keep saying you can't recruit one and dones and win. YOU CAN. But surely you didn't expect EVERY group to catch on like AD and MKG, can you? If you are upset with the system now, you are two face, you can't have it both ways. Myself, I will live with 3 ups and a NC and one down season plus I do believe that the Harrison twins are way smarter in basketball IQ then what we are seeing this year.
what is wrong with recruiting a guy or two that will come off the bench and stay at the school for two or three years? There is nothing wrong with having one or two in each class that will stick around. why is that so absurd? And I certainly do not think that makes him a two face. None of us have said we are upset with what Cal has done, I love that he is getting this top talent, but you have to realize every year so far Cal has had some form of upperclassmen leadership for his amazing recruits to feed off of. In light of that it makes perfect sense to get a guy or two who would be expected to hang around a while. Nothing wrong with that theory at all.
How do you recruit the "best of the best", yet still expect them to stick around for 2 or 3 years? Does that mean you pass on better players just so you can have some "stick around" type guys? I think you fill every scholarship you have with the best talent you possibly can, whether they elect to stay or not. JMHO.
Very well said Atomicdog71.....I'm really tired of all this nonsense about how Cal's system of recruiting the Best of the Best is wrong.....and how we need to take lesser talent so they can "hang around" for a couple of years. You mean like the teams we had with Tubby?......cause those teams hung around! Just ridiculous!
It's hard to recruit 4* kids here when they know that Cal is bringing in 5* guys and they may not get much pt. That said, you have to find the right guys that are willing to come and bid their time. That's one reason I like the signing of Derek Willis in this coming class. Kid is a KY kid and has a lot of potential. He will be here 3-4 which is what we need. Cal needs to find 1-2 of those rare kids every other year.
Also, IIRC Cal doesn't have them watch but a few minutes of tape on our opponents. Perhaps with this years team it would be beneficial if he had them do more. Heck, lots of the best players to play the game were film room junkies.
For one, unless its someone from the state of Kentucky like Hood & Willis, its ain't happening. No four star player will come here to sit for four years, can I bring up Mr Poole as my example. Kids today who feel they are good enough to play will not sit back and watch. They want to play now. The two face statement comes from those who loved the first three years and are saying now that it doesn't work, didn't have anything to do with recruits. But I have asked you before, WHERE are all of these great bench players coming from? You have no answers.
All I know is......the CATS looked pretty damn good tonight.....without WCS and a very limited Noel. We are coming together as a TEAM at just the right time.
thats fine, have your own opinion, but if you don't find some guys, at least one or two every 2-3 yrs, WHERE do you get your leadership from? I have never said it would be an easy task to perform, but with Cal's recruiting magic I believe he could do it. And that is just MY honest opinion. I am only saying that getting a completely new team of freshmen every year you are always getting a box of chocolate and never know what your gonna get. I am not saying that the whole thing absolutely cannot be won by a freshman team, but I think history shows pretty well that it is just not gonna happen very often. I have asked you before WHERE the leadership is gonna come from and you have no answers either.
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also I will be the first to admit I have thoroughly enjoyed the first three years, and have no problem with the recruits Cal gets. I do not think any of the first three years teams would have won very many games without those talented freshmen. However, on the same note, I honestly do not believe those first three teams make it as far as they did without the upperclassmen who were here to help them develop and lead them when things got rough.
I agree, the Wall team showed us that in the tourney, one bad game and you go home. Honestly without arguing any further, leadership will have to come mainly from freshmen who have MKG's personality. It will be tough because that kind of a player doesn't come around that often. The other choice could come from those who stay, there maybe one or two that stay over but I think by the end of the season there will only be KW that stays. Transfers could be an answer to, even though Mays is not a vocal leader I think he has had a positive influence on the younger guys. So as long as CAL takes players that are almost #1 at each of their positions it will be hard to recruit 8-9 guys who are very talented who would be willing to share minutes
What is wrong with you? If you are going to criticize someone's post at least read it. I never said that recruiting one and done players can't work. Last year we did not have just a team of one and done players, we had 3 returning starters in Jones and Lamb as sophs and Miller, a senior. The current team has less experience than any of Cal's teams at UK and it shows. For all the one and done interest it is very often the veterans who carry these teams through the tournament. UK has been extraordinarily lucky not to have injuries, particularly last year. The point was that we don't need to have an empty bench to have a 6 or 7 man rotation.
The argument that recruiting some good players will prevent us from recruiting great players makes no sense to me. I don't see how having a 4 star guard and forward on the team would limit recruiting in any way and it would give the team more options and some insurance against losing a whole season because of injury or attitude/recruiting misses. The argument that you couldn't get good players to come to UK with all the one and done talent also doesn't make sense. I think a lot of kids would love to come to UK and play less minutes up front with the hope to develop into a better player. There are also the selling points of hanging around with a bunch of future NBA players, music stars, great coaches, great living facilities, the chance to play in really big games, girls and a free education. You can do that or be a starter at some nondescript college program that may not win a tournament game during your career. Just my take.
As a lawyer (I assume you are since you cleverly put that into your screen name) I would think you could express yourself without being such a turd. Calling people "childish" and "two face" (shouldn't that be "two faced"?) is a little over the top counselor.
We have had a pretty good stream of arguing over this one haven't we! LOL! I agree with you that we'll just call a truce on this one, and agree to disagree on some of these recruiting matters.
When you sound like you are upset when things so south with this team, I will call you two face, sorry but the name fits. Plus Miller was NOT a full time starter last year and we did have THREE one and dones. The childish comment came from you saying this:
"These 5-6 man classes which flush each year won't work every year." To me that sounds like you said it won't work.
The two face comment came from this comment:
"He needs 9-10 guys who can play and at least one guy a year who will stay for a couple of years or more." Again that sounds to me like
sour grapes after the great job that CAL did the first three years.
So I did read and I disagree with you. I find it will be very hard to find, unless its a kid from Kentucky like Willis, a great four star player who will sit the bench for four years, to come here. I don't see it. Plus I am a CPA, not a lawyer, and calling people a turd when you are upset about being called childish and two face only shows that the childish two face name was a true statement. Have a good one z.
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