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  • The problem is too many people want to turn EVERY thread into a bashing thread. They make no attempt at being constructive just throwing shit in the wall waiting for the other piranhas to attack and join in. You can't let a thread or multiple threads be positive cause it pains you to see others not wallowing in pity.
    The Legion Of Doom has showed it's ugly head and short of both Joker, Mitch, and the UKAA being blown up they won't be happy.
    I get that this season blows thus far and I've criticized them for it too. But I choose to support this program regardless of the outcome or who is in charge.
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  • Jared Bonshire said... (original post)

    Honestly War when we were going, we just had fewer folks to worry about. We attracted the positive folks that were tired of what was going on, on other sites, but those folks were few and far between, which is why KI is now Catspause.

    The plain fact of the matter is that when things go bad for a team, the people who boo are much louder than the people who sit there quietly disappointed. They vocalize their displeasure more than their pleasure. When things are going better, folks just don't go up in arms. When KI became BB247, then Catspause, the number of people exposed to the product increased greatly, and thus there is just a greater percentage of the fan base that by and large likes to complain when things are not going well.

    Perhaps I should just open up a free message board for us old fogies where we can just be around those of us who want to talk about football intelligently and not have to wave through the mess that exists elsewhere. That's where KI started, but then we messed it up when we decided we wanted to make it profitable. That's our bad.

    But the point is, it isn't Catspause's fault that there is a lot of complaining on the boards, it's just the way it works when you have more folks around and things don't go well.

    I have been following this and other threads over the last few weeks, and I have probably been one of those who have expressed displeasure with what has happened with the football program, especially since the end of last season. I think Jared has really summed up this situation quite well. I can't add anything to his summary of why KI came to be, and how the move to 247 changed its charter, and how the merger with TCP changed the culture.

    I like to spend time at a site that has as its primary purpose the discussion of all things, UK football and UK basketball, and even though I can turn negative with the best of you, I really do prefer an overriding positive theme. When I think back to why I came to KI to begin with, about 2 years ago, that was the primary reason. I grew weary of the unending negativism I found at the other locations where I had been spending my time. It seemed that regardless of the achievements of the football team/coaches/players, indeed the program, the loud ones could not find anything to discuss other than the failure to do even more.

    So, I moved my act to KI. I found a nice group of fans who seemed fundamentally like minded, and I stayed. I settled in. I began to develop new "friends" and just as it was getting comfortable, KI moved to this new place. "It's going to be great" you all promised, and I tagged along. However, not everyone I had gotten to know at KI made the move to 247, but it seemed that most did. Then came the merger with The Cats Pause. Again, this move was accompanied with promises, similar ones about how "It's going to be greater" and by that I think I also heard "bigger".

    Well, it got bigger for sure. Again, some of the "regulars" did not simply carry on as this new changes transitioned into place, and now it seems that the old lesson that bigger is not necessarily better is being relearned.

    With all that being said, I want to speak to the negativism which seems to be the wedge driving between the fan base again. I am reminded once again that it depends on whose ox happens to be in the ditch whether the complaint is negativism or simply a cry for help.

    1. I see nothing fundamentally wrong with any member expressing an opinion about the condition of the UK football or basketball program, whether it is an opinion that is stating a positive view or a negative view. Each of us form opinions, and the message board provides a forum to express our opinions about these UK sports teams, coaches, players, and programs.
    2. I find myself falling into the old traps when I read other members' opinions that the other member is a wise man/woman when his/her opinion agrees with mine, and he/she is not when expressing a contrary point of view. I do try to fight myself to resist my contrarian urges when I read an opinion with which I disagree, especially after I have already expressed mine and someone else had the gumption to challenge it in public view. How dare them do that, lol. [See #1].
    3. As Jeff has pointed out, vigorous debate is healthy. That process is one of the best ways for each of us to learn from others and to grow as fans. However, as Jeff and many of the rest of you also point out, there is a difference between healthy debate, that is often vigorous, and anger driven obsessions with a particular points of view, which manifest as repetitive arguments that do not educate either side, do not advance the healthy debate, and all too often are directed at one or more of the other posters [members of this group] rather than at the substance of the debate itself.

    This is where the problems emerge and become poisonous for me. I strive to avoid participating in such posting, but confess that I have failed in my mission. I hope my failures have been relatively rare. If my tirades have offended you, I apologize.

    I am moving forward with a renewed commitment to keep my commentary at this site focused on the substance of the discussions. That does not mean I won't stumble again, but please know that for this one member, I am really working on my short comings.

    However, this does not mean that we will always agree on matters of opinion. If we did, that would be pretty boring would it not? Our collective task then is to solve the age old problems of all important relationships, finding ways to disagree with out being disagreeable, which on a message board, seems to translate into the #1 rule, don't translate the disagreements into the personal realm.

    Thanks for listening to me on this, and I am stepping off this soap box again.

    Next up!

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  • People who are intimidated my other posters have a real problem. This is a forum to express your opinion. Simple as that. I am sure some people agree and some people disagree but that is what this site is for, talking without worry. I have been called an idiot, moran, retarded, and about everything you can call someone by some of the posters on this site but if anyone thinks that will keep me from posting then you are nuts

    I have an opinion and will keep on having one about UK football. My first game was in 1950 and I remember the great teams. I think if more on here had my memories of great UK football you would understand why low expectations drive me crazy

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  • The low expectation stuff is a load of crap. KY won a NC in the 50s but has been largely unsuccessful since then but that has zero to do with fan expectations. What bothers me the irrational stuff and mindless rants. Like Barnhart doesn't care about football or that there is a conspiracy by the UCAA to keep UK football from winning. That isn't a post, its pure idiocy and you would think people that know football and know UK would have a better understanding of what is truly the root of the issue at UK.

    If you really want to talk facilities and why building them is an issue then you better be ready to sit down and spend some time. Because the UK is a maze of unique regulations and budgetary restraints that is unlike any other school. UK hasn't had a president focused on sports since Otis Singletary and maybe they shouldn't because that isn't their role. But it does influence the ability for the AD to develop facilities. The faculty is under some type of bizarre illusion that UK is an Ivy League school. So if you insist on playing the "They don't care about football" card put it where it should on them. They don't care about basketball either but have no choice.

    Then you have the funding and budget allocations that are tied to the General Assembly. The same GA that is largely dominated by UL fans from Jefferson county. Even the city of Lexington screws UK, who gets the concessions and parking from Rupp? Its not the University. The situation at UK is so unique and so screwed up it would take hours to try and explain. But nobody wants to listen. They see Ark unveil another 300 million renovation and automatically say it is due to Mitch being incompetent and the UKAA not caring. None of it is true but it feeds their agenda nicely.

    I guess I've I'm going to be preached to by someone on a message board. I appreciate them taking some time to read a newspaper or at least bother to do some research. Otherwise they are out like a fat girl in dodgeball.

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  • This thread has actually turned into the exact thing we are asking for. Debate is awesome. Most of us love the debate. This thread has some constructive criticisms and debate in it that I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with. If things were held like this, it would make this site amazing.

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  • Well mother not of my post have said a word about fireing joker or mitch i just want before i die to a very good football team on the field! I hope it happens but i am loseing hope on a daily basis!I dont want to be negative give me something posive to talk about thats going with this team and i would be happy to discus it!

  • none31 said... (original post)

    Well mother not of my post have said a word about fireing joker or mitch i just want before i die to a very good football team on the field! I hope it happens but i am loseing hope on a daily basis!I dont want to be negative give me something posive to talk about thats going with this team and i would be happy to discus it!

    Here you go, posted five hours after your first post in this thread and almost exactly the same time as your third post in this thread which means they would not only have been on the front page at the same time but at the top of the front page at the same time:

    http://kentucky.247sports.com/Board/296/CollegeFootballNewscom-names-Guy-Trevathan-mid-season-AAs-5012383/1

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  • If you got something to say about the post say that. He gave you an example a DAMN good example and you chose to post that. Wow does that say a ton.

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  • Good call romp. Hard to deny that. Also our young DT's have played pretty well considering our DE's havent given us a whole lot up to this point. The positive is you have to look toward the future not just at this season. UK has changed its culture and now we expect to win not just hope too. That is a positive in itself. We are having a bad year. It happens to everyone. The key will be bouncing back and salvaging some of this year and being productive next year. Instead of complaining about how bad this team is, why not look toward the future and say, "you know there is some pretty good talent that is gonna be stepping up next fall. Hopefully some of the vet's get their minds right and get things turned around." Its all about how you look at things.

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  • Jeff you are right as usual but KI used to be a a breath of fresh air back in the day. I still think it's better than the rest. It was just nice while it lasted. There used to be a "fellowship of the miserable" on the other sites that seemed to take great delight in cutting down our kids and coaches.
    I have no problem with questioning what's going on or how things are done etc, but the same "Faaaaar Brooks crowd" has revamped and morphed into the Faaar Joker crowd. I often have to step away for a few days myself. I may entertain using the ignore feature on a few posters myself. It may help.

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  • This board was much better before the merger. Everything I worried about with the rivals crew coming over has come to fruition and is a big reason I left the Catspause when it was over on Rivals.

  • BlueGhost said... (original post)

    This board was much better before the merger. Everything I worried about with the rivals crew coming over has come to fruition and is a big reason I left the Catspause when it was over on Rivals.

    That was one of the things that worried me the most about the merge. I LOVED KI, but had stoped going to Catspause a couple of years before they merged over here. I can rant and complain like anyone, especially during game day and if we are playing bad or making consistant mistakes. KI had constructive criticism most of the time people saying, "here is whats wrong and here is how when can fix it". Since the merge we have had more of the
    destructive criticism type. I won't leave, but my posts have fallen away since the merge.

  • I think the best thing that could happen is someone start a UK FB Haters forum and let all those that want to vent and bash the staff and players, call for peoples job or whatever it is that puts them in a fit of rage have their own forum. For those like me that don't care to hear it 24/7, I don't join that forum and don't have to read it on every single forum out there. The problem I have is some just beat a dead horse. They post on every forum 24/7 and repeat the same thing over and over and over. I am not sure if they have nothing better to do or if they think the audience (us) is that dumb that we need to be told the same thing over and over.Actually we are smart enough to know they think if they say it enough we will all start to believe it and buy into their mission. A good debate with valid points are awesome, but all this emotional posting is what has brought the value of these forums down.

  • The problem is size. . . It was a lot nicer and more friendly of a discussion on here when it was KI, but that is because there were only like 20 of us, and we all got to know each other. . . lol. . . That was great, but no way could someone afford to run a site like that for a long period of time, it has to try and grow and with growth, you have to take the bad with the good. . . I get caught up quite a bit, lol, but I try to ignore the threads I don't agree with. Also lately, I have been just reading a lot more of the front page stuff, and then posting on off topic stuff, as to not get caught up in the football back and forth. . .

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  • Two things to remember. Before the merger the program was in decent shape and we were searching for someplace to discuss recruits without a bunch of yahoos chiming in and demanding photographic proof and fingerprints to verify every rumor. Things have changed. Second, when this site started it was for UK football and little if anything else. Bringing in a big basketball crowd carries with it a lot of people who don't care a lot about football and don't know much about it either. The big difference however is the quality of play and state of the football program. That makes everyone edgy while some are overly critical and others are overly defensive.

  • TheProfessor said... (original post)

    I have been following this and other threads over the last few weeks, and I have probably been one of those who have expressed displeasure with what has happened with the football program, especially since the end of last season. I think Jared has really summed up this situation quite well. I can't add anything to his summary of why KI came to be, and how the move to 247 changed its charter, and how the merger with TCP changed the culture.

    I like to spend time at a site that has as its primary purpose the discussion of all things, UK football and UK basketball, and even though I can turn negative with the best of you, I really do prefer an overriding positive theme. When I think back to why I came to KI to begin with, about 2 years ago, that was the primary reason. I grew weary of the unending negativism I found at the other locations where I had been spending my time. It seemed that regardless of the achievements of the football team/coaches/players, indeed the program, the loud ones could not find anything to discuss other than the failure to do even more.

    So, I moved my act to KI. I found a nice group of fans who seemed fundamentally like minded, and I stayed. I settled in. I began to develop new "friends" and just as it was getting comfortable, KI moved to this new place. "It's going to be great" you all promised, and I tagged along. However, not everyone I had gotten to know at KI made the move to 247, but it seemed that most did. Then came the merger with The Cats Pause. Again, this move was accompanied with promises, similar ones about how "It's going to be greater" and by that I think I also heard "bigger".

    Well, it got bigger for sure. Again, some of the "regulars" did not simply carry on as this new changes transitioned into place, and now it seems that the old lesson that bigger is not necessarily better is being relearned.

    With all that being said, I want to speak to the negativism which seems to be the wedge driving between the fan base again. I am reminded once again that it depends on whose ox happens to be in the ditch whether the complaint is negativism or simply a cry for help.

    1. I see nothing fundamentally wrong with any member expressing an opinion about the condition of the UK football or basketball program, whether it is an opinion that is stating a positive view or a negative view. Each of us form opinions, and the message board provides a forum to express our opinions about these UK sports teams, coaches, players, and programs. 2. I find myself falling into the old traps when I read other members' opinions that the other member is a wise man/woman when his/her opinion agrees with mine, and he/she is not when expressing a contrary point of view. I do try to fight myself to resist my contrarian urges when I read an opinion with which I disagree, especially after I have already expressed mine and someone else had the gumption to challenge it in public view. How dare them do that, lol. [See #1]. 3. As Jeff has pointed out, vigorous debate is healthy. That process is one of the best ways for each of us to learn from others and to grow as fans. However, as Jeff and many of the rest of you also point out, there is a difference between healthy debate, that is often vigorous, and anger driven obsessions with a particular points of view, which manifest as repetitive arguments that do not educate either side, do not advance the healthy debate, and all too often are directed at one or more of the other posters [members of this group] rather than at the substance of the debate itself.

    This is where the problems emerge and become poisonous for me. I strive to avoid participating in such posting, but confess that I have failed in my mission. I hope my failures have been relatively rare. If my tirades have offended you, I apologize.

    I am moving forward with a renewed commitment to keep my commentary at this site focused on the substance of the discussions. That does not mean I won't stumble again, but please know that for this one member, I am really working on my short comings.

    However, this does not mean that we will always agree on matters of opinion. If we did, that would be pretty boring would it not? Our collective task then is to solve the age old problems of all important relationships, finding ways to disagree with out being disagreeable, which on a message board, seems to translate into the #1 rule, don't translate the disagreements into the personal realm.

    Thanks for listening to me on this, and I am stepping off this soap box again.

    Next up!

    Good take, Prof. I think you summed that up quite well.

    I will also accept your challenge, so to speak, on the renewed commitment to commentary of substance. I hope others will, too!

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  • I recently turned 60 and have been to many games at Stoll Field and several at Commonwealth. I have not been to a game in person for probably 12-13 years, mostly because of my more limited income during those years. But I always listen on the radio or watch on tv unless something drastic happens. I remember when we were only ON TV for 1 or 2 games a year (or sometimes NONE) and were the co-laughingstocks of the league (with Vandy) and have remained a fan. I have no proof, but highly suspect the DEBBIE DOWNERS are mostly either 20-somethings (who are used to the latest "social media" that lends itself to INSTANTLY letting others know what you are thinking at that particular moment and, so, includes intense feelings that reflect the negativity of today's society as a whole) or basketball "only" fans who just vent here because they expect the football program be to reach unrealistic goals (admittedly talked about this past off-season by Joker) while waiting for "the real" season to start. Both seem to just SCAN posts then quickly misquote the poster because they have not really HEARD what they said. Some will surely begin to "rip" this post because they believe I have said ALL "20-somethings" are bashers (which I obviously did NOT say). It will prove my point. I will remain here and look forward to hearing Tommy's comments again when they come. I would love to see us consistently go 8-4 with an occasional extra loss or win. I believe we are close to that!

  • jimlowe7 said... (original post)

    I recently turned 60 and have been to many games at Stoll Field and several at Commonwealth. I have not been to a game in person for probably 12-13 years, mostly because of my more limited income during those years. But I always listen on the radio or watch on tv unless something drastic happens. I remember when we were only ON TV for 1 or 2 games a year (or sometimes NONE) and were the co-laughingstocks of the league (with Vandy) and have remained a fan. I have no proof, but highly suspect the DEBBIE DOWNERS are mostly either 20-somethings (who are used to the latest "social media" that lends itself to INSTANTLY letting others know what you are thinking at that particular moment and, so, includes intense feelings that reflect the negativity of today's society as a whole) or basketball "only" fans who just vent here because they expect the football program be to reach unrealistic goals (admittedly talked about this past off-season by Joker) while waiting for "the real" season to start. Both seem to just SCAN posts then quickly misquote the poster because they have not really HEARD what they said. Some will surely begin to "rip" this post because they believe I have said ALL "20-somethings" are bashers (which I obviously did NOT say). It will prove my point. I will remain here and look forward to hearing Tommy's comments again when they come. I would love to see us consistently go 8-4 with an occasional extra loss or win. I believe we are close to that!

    I don't think you are totally off base Jim, but what age bracket do you think uses message boards the most??? The "above 50 crowd" is a small percentage. . . Most posters are gonna be in their 20's and 30's. . . .so therefore most of the "debbie downers" are also gonna be in that age group. . . Not trying to be an ass by any means. . .

    Also the TV time has nothing to do with performance, it has to do with the fact we are in the SEC and the TV contract. . . And we are still one of the bottom 2 or 3 teams in the SEC. . . That hasn't changed. . . .

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  • I'd be willing to bet there are more posters here OVER 30 than UNDER 30. There are lots of former students and players (based on comments I see) and there are likely a LOT MORE of us over 50 who are here than most think. We used to have to wait until Monday to talk to anyone at work about the games, but now we finally have INSTANT gratification (WOO HOO!) I certainly take no offense at your observation. I just slightly disagree with it. GO CATS!

  • jimlowe7 said... (original post)

    I'd be willing to bet there are more posters here OVER 30 than UNDER 30. There are lots of former students and players (based on comments I see) and there are likely a LOT MORE of us over 50 who are here than most think. We used to have to wait until Monday to talk to anyone at work about the games, but now we finally have INSTANT gratification (WOO HOO!) I certainly take no offense at your observation. I just slightly disagree with it. GO CATS!

    I gotcha, I'm just willing to bet that the biggest percentage of posters are between the ages of 18 and 35. . . I know there are quite a few above 50, but I don't think it's a great percentage when compared to the overall number of posters on most boards. . . And I agree, GO CATS!!

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  • I agree that age range is likely the largest percentage overall. But teenagers and those age 30-35 are NOT part of the "20-something" group I referenced (meaning all those between 20-29). It is rare for me to run into someone who might be called a "fanatic" rather than a "fan" once they reach 30. But I know some of them are ageless (my dad for one). My memories of UK sports begins around age 9-10 when I watched or listened to basketball games with my dad when Cotton Nash was the star and I TREASURE them. By the time I was 19-20 I quit watching (or going to) games with him because he was so intense! If you heard him from the other room you would think we were behind by 20, but we were usually AHEAD by 20 - he just thought we should be ahead by 40!! His level of negativity became too much to endure DURING a game, but I always called him after and talked about it (after he calmed down some!!). Some of the posters here remind me a lot of my dad - I'd like to hear from them an hour or two AFTER the game instead of during it or immediately afterward.

  • jimlowe7 said... (original post)

    I'd be willing to bet there are more posters here OVER 30 than UNDER 30. There are lots of former students and players (based on comments I see) and there are likely a LOT MORE of us over 50 who are here than most think. We used to have to wait until Monday to talk to anyone at work about the games, but now we finally have INSTANT gratification (WOO HOO!) I certainly take no offense at your observation. I just slightly disagree with it. GO CATS!

    I will be 47 a month from today.... and I can tell you that I am one whose been very down on our football program. It's not just 20 somethings. I was always optimistic... for the past 30 years, I've supported and defended our team, coaches, players, etc. win or lose. I was ALWAYS a glass half full kind of fan... but this year, it all went out the window. This was not by choice... I just go with my gut feeling the same as I always have. I'm sorry, but I'm just fed up with mediocrity and I demand more... 8 - 4 with an additional win or loss on occasion, just won't cut for me. I want to compete in the SEC... with the chance of winning a national title on occasion. It will take at least 10 wins, to even have a shot at it (most seasons anyway). Having said that... I understand tommy's frustrations with those who want to post doom and gloom every day... on every thread. That shit gets old. Let's just all hope that our big win this weekend was the turning point we've all been hoping for. I would love to see Joker win out and prove me wrong for having the kind of feelings I've had lately. I will be the first to jump on here and admit I was wrong. GO JOKER... and GO BIG BLUE!!!

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  • jimlowe7 said... (original post)

    I agree that age range is likely the largest percentage overall. But teenagers and those age 30-35 are NOT part of the "20-something" group I referenced (meaning all those between 20-29). It is rare for me to run into someone who might be called a "fanatic" rather than a "fan" once they reach 30. But I know some of them are ageless (my dad for one). My memories of UK sports begins around age 9-10 when I watched or listened to basketball games with my dad when Cotton Nash was the star and I TREASURE them. By the time I was 19-20 I quit watching (or going to) games with him because he was so intense! If you heard him from the other room you would think we were behind by 20, but we were usually AHEAD by 20 - he just thought we should be ahead by 40!! His level of negativity became too much to endure DURING a game, but I always called him after and talked about it (after he calmed down some!!). Some of the posters here remind me a lot of my dad - I'd like to hear from them an hour or two AFTER the game instead of during it or immediately afterward.

    lol. . . I see what you are saying now. . . and I'd say you are probably correct. . . thumbsup

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  • and JJ is a 46 year old with the heart of a 21 year old. . . lollol

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  • BG631 said... (original post)

    and JJ is a 46 year old with the heart of a 21 year old. . . lollol

    Thanks Bro... I will take that as a compliment. thumbsup

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