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stillDA23 said...
I don't think you read my entire statement. You saw "Fulmer" and put on the brakes. Fulmer has won in this league. Granted he had 2 5 win seasons his last four years at the helm, but he knows the game, and I'm not just talking about between the sidelines. I mean the game that must be played with the administration and the BOT. I think he can get some things done around here. However, I'm not that interested if he doesn't bring Zook along, and some solid OC like Neal Brown.
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ukaveman said...
If UK hires Fulmer and whoever as coordinators, then it's due to being turned down by NUMEROUS other candidates and this was the last resort. I think Barnhart realizes he needs a hire that will both rejuvinate the program and fan base and Fulmer won't do the latter. Secondly, if Fulmer couldn't win big at UT his last several years (a program with a lot more going for it than UK) then what makes you think he can turn UK around??? I remember everybody being enamored with CM Newton "luring" Bill Curry away from Bama and that one didn't work out to well. If you are looking at a proven HC, then the only two who would get folks excited are Mike Belotti and yes, Mr Petrino.
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footballcat65 said...
If not Petrino then Mitch needs to call this guy. Guy can flat coach. He's my number two behind Petrino. UK doesn't need a retread like Tuberville or Fulmer. UK doesn't need a coach who doesn't care about defense like Dykes. Doeren is winner, high energy. young and believes in playing both offense and defense.
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ukaveman said...
Nope, I read your entire post. I'm just not a big Fulmer fan (never was) that's all. He had a great run at UT w/Peyton Manning and then the NC year w/Tee Martin. He was mediocre at best after that. Again, if he couldn't sustain success at Tennessee, then what makes you think he can be successful long term at UK???? I'd rather UK roll the dice w/a young guy than to recycle either Fulmer or Tuberville. Both are upgrades over Joker but I just don't think they will get the fanbase fired up nor do I think they will get UK to a consistently competive level. Just my opinion!
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ukaveman said...
Nope, I read your entire post. I'm just not a big Fulmer fan (never was) that's all. He had a great run at UT w/Peyton Manning and then the NC year w/Tee Martin. He was mediocre at best after that. Again, if he couldn't sustain success at Tennessee, then what makes you think he can be successful long term at UK???? I'd rather UK roll the dice w/a young guy than to recycle either Fulmer or Tuberville. Both are upgrades over Joker but I just don't think they will get the fanbase fired up nor do I think they will get UK to a consistently competive level. Just my opinion!
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rompcat said...
So, what you are saying is that four seasons out of nine with ten or more wins and an outright win or co-win of the SEC east each of those times is mediocre at best?
Here are those nine seasons, from best to worst...
11-2 (7-1) 1st SEC east 2001 10-3 (7-1) 1st SEC east 2004 10-3 (6-2) tied 1st SEC east 2003 10-4 (6-2) tied 1st SEC east 2007 9-4 (5-3) 2nd east 2006 8-4 (5-3) 2nd east 2000 8-5 (5-3) 3rd east 2002 5-6 (3-5) 4th east 2005 5-7 (3-5) 5th east 2008
So, in a nine year span after Martin, he won (4x) or took 2nd (2x) in the SEC east six times. That isn't "mediocre at best" during that timespan. Think about this: if after throwing out the previous six seasons with his best players and the legendary Tennessee QBs (Peyton Manning and Tee Martin) , he was first or second in the SEC east six of the next nine years. That is far better than mediocre. If a coach has a record of far better than mediocre when he is being evaluated over a period intentionally chosen to exclude his best years with best players and has that kind of success, I don't see how it can be considered poor or "mediocre at best"..
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ukaveman said...
Ok, I've got my timeline from Tee to firing a little off but I'll stick w/his last 5 yrs as mediocre because if they were great he'd still be at UT! Look, I'm not a Phat Phil fan. Never have been. If you think he's the guy to turn the program around then have at it. He'll never get the type of talent at UK to run the offensive system he did at UT. I've already said he'd be an upgrade from Joker BUT I don't think he's the answer for UK long term.
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stillDA23 said...
I guess I just think that he may be the answer indirectly as in pulling the power people to where they need to be to take this program the direction we all want it to go. I'll be honest with you, I'm not crazy about a 60-something yr old dude being our coach. But I think Fulmer could really help us long term.
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BigBlueDawg12 said...
R U serious? We didnt lure Curry away from Bama..the man had death threats aimed at him from Bama fans. They had Curry mannequins hanging in trees outside his home...and Fulmer went 9-3 the year before he was pushed out..and look where that got UT...Fulmer owns one of the best SEC winning % in SEC history..guy won the 1st ever BCS title as a heavy underdog. Not trying to bash you guy..but you need to check your facts before posting this stuff..at least a little. Fulmers SEc record is way better than your MR. Petrinos 17-15 SEC record.Fulmer was 152-52 for his career..98-34 in the SEC. And Fulmer went 9-4 and 10-3 the 2 years prior to his being let go in favor of Lane Kiffen..Ut thought a younger guy was needed...wow..that worked out well. Im guessing USC is wishing they left Kiffen at UT now as well. Oregon owns them, Sarkesian the guy they should have hired if not Norm Chow..beat them at Washington..and USC was the preseason #1...now look at them.
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You condemn Perino for cheating on his wife but endorse a man being sued for basically ruining people's life's by stealing their life savings. You are so smart! See below. You fail again!
In 2012 Tuberville and John Stroud, partners in investment firm TS Capital Partners LLC, were sued by seven plaintiffs in United States District Court for the Southern District of Alabama for alleged failure to file tax returns and for falsifying documents and co-mingling investors' funds during Tuberville's time at Auburn University. Through attorney at law Vic Hayslip of Birmingham, Alabama, Tuberville denied the allegations and promised to defend "vigorously" against them.[7]
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