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trueUKgamer said...
Cunningham is the future at the X. 6'4", 4.5 40, great vertical, but he auto-RS'ed last year, so no one thinks about him. Legree is two. Sweat is more in the mold of a Y and Collins and Cobbins are more like Z's. The future at WR is bright, along with RB and Qb, the skill positions are looking up for UK. same on D at most spots. now if the damned OL could shape up better.
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mjdotson said...
Maybe so, but I have always viewed the X and Y receivers in our offense (and most other pro style offenses) as being interchangable. They both line up on the outside in split formations and tend to run deeper routes with some slants, outs and crossing patterns thrown in. The slot is the one that is noticeably different as it is usually a smaller, more shifty WR who can catch the quicker, shorter throws and make something happen after the catch. Given their size and athleticism, that is why I guessed Cobbins and Whitlow may ultimately be X and Y types. The problem is, most of us tend to think of the QB/WR types as being in the mold of Randall Cobb where they line up in the slot and run shorter routes. I think they could both do the same type of thing that Cobb did, but they're bigger and very well could end up playing the more traditional X and Y spots. Regardless, at this point it is all guesswork until we see how they adjust to running routes, getting open, catching the ball, etc.
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Catfanin502 said...
Our return game was atrocious last year (but so were a lot of things I guess). If our Special Teams could just shorten the field, I think our offense could surprise people this year. Starting at the 20 or worse every possession is not going to get it done. If Sweat can make a difference in the return game, play him NOW.
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mjdotson said...
Semantics. Point being, in most all pro-set offenses you have 2 outside WR's in split formations, a slot-WR (in 3 receiver sets), and a TE. Sometimes the TE or HB shifts out into an "H-back" position in the slot, but that is not what most people are talking about when they talk about the "slot receiver" (i.e. the spot played by Cobb and Lyons). For the purposes of this conversation, the larger WR's will typically line up in the outside spots (whether you want to call them X, Y, Z, H, or whatever) and your smaller, more shifty guys will line up in the slot (whatever letter you want to assign it) and you will occassionally see bigger WR's in the slot in redzone packages for mismatch purposes. I haven't seen us utilize a true H-back since Tamme left, but I hope we see it again soon.
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IamRV said...
It's not semantics - it's being accurate. From it's inception football formations had to have 7 men on the line of scrimmage and there were assignment of positions within that framework of rules for formation purposes. By the same token, there are 4 guys off the line of scrimmage or "in the backfield". The outside guy on both sides (ends) of those guys lined up on the line of scrimmage is an eligible receiver, regardless how far they distanced from the ball at the snap.
The idea of identifying receivers all began once teams started passing the ball and would split out the end man on one side of the line of scrimmage and this was commonly called the 'split end' while the end that stayed in tight to the formation was designated as the 'tight end' but still there remained four eligible receivers in the backfield that were designated quarterback, fullback, left halfback and right halfback. One of the halfbacks were commonly moved from the standard T formation spot to an offset position behind and just outside of the tight end. This position became known as wingback as he was on the 'wing' of the formation.
As teams grew more into the passing game they would take this wingback and 'split him out' much as they did with the split end. They began calling this position the 'flanker' and was typically the right halfback but he had to align off the line of scrimmage (by at least a yard) to remain 'in the backfield'. The basic formation then was split end on the left (weak side of the formation) and tight end and flanker on the right (strong side of the formation) and thus the standard passing formation or 'pro set' was born.
As offenses evolved these positions were given lettering assignments to simplify things and were designated from left to right X, Y and Z with X being the split end, Y being the Tight End and Z being the flanker.
Regardless what they are called by a particular team the basic principles still remain in that there must be seven on the line of scrimmage and four in the backfield thus when splitting out the Y receiver, he must remain on the line of scrimmage. Splitting the TE out wide was not so beneficial with that body type so the split out Y receiver became an actual wide receiver replacing the bigger, slower TE.
Splitting the Y out wide and moving the flanker inside of him put the flanker in the 'slot' (opening) between the Y and the offensive linemen but that term also now commonly refers to the fourth wide receiver who aligns in the 'slot' between the outside receiver (whether that be the split end, Y reciever, or the flanker) and the offensive linemen. Different offenses use different lettering terminology for this slot reciever but H is commonly used as well as W.
The H-back commonly refers to a TE type that is aligned to the strong side of the formation as a wingback and can be in conjunction with a normally aligned TE but doesn't have to be.
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