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hoptownukfan said...
According to UofL's 2012 media guide they show 7 returning starters on offense. UK has 5 if you count Maxwell smith and Josh Clemmons (he may not start) as starters. 3 if you don't.
On defense UofL shows 6 starters returning on defense. UK also shows 5 with Rumph, Cobble Ukwu, Neloms, benton, 6 if you include Dupree.
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jimlowe7 said...
Yes, because our off-season conditioning and weight training has RESHAPED our team plus U of L is overlooking us and believes they will win by 3 touchdowns rather than have a close game...I predict their defensive players will try to "overplay" to get a spectacular play and, thus, be susceptible to misdirection. The pressure of this game is on them!
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MinterWonderlnd said...
Yes, UL has a lot of starters returning, but they're mostly kids that have never redshirted and Strong threw into the starting lineup from Day 1. They're still very, very young. Only 2 seniors on UL's 2 deep depth chart on defense.
UK has a lot of "experience" returning. UK's guys are kids that have been in the program for a while and know the system. Lets take a look.
QB- Maxwell Smith- the most inexperienced guy on offense, but has had pretty much the same ammount of time in the program as Teddy Bridgwater. Both QB's became starters last year as a result of injuries. Both finished the Fall as starters and both got all of the reps in Spring Practice.
RB- assuming Clemons is out, UK has 2 very experienced RBs. They return 2 guys that have been starters in Coshik Williams and Raymond Sanders. Coshik is a SR and Sanders a JR. Lots of experienc there.
WR- UK will start at a 4 yr starter in Larod King. They will also probably start another kid that's been in the program for 4 years in EJ Fields. Fields killed UL last year, so we know he's capable of having a big impact on this game.
TE- T Robinson will likely start. If he does, this will be his 3rd year as a starter in this offense. Senior Anthony Kendrick will also get snaps along with the inexperienced Shields.
OL- Warford and Smith are basically 4 year starters and projected as NFL draft picks. Kevin Mitchell is in his 4th year of the program and has been the primary back up at both guard and tackle for the last 2 years. Darrien MIller will return to start for his second year in a row. He was a standout last year. The only "newbie" will be Zac West. Plenty of "experience" overall in this group.
Defense
Wow, talk about experience up front.
DL- UK's dline will be one of the most experienced in the SEC. Cobble (SR) and Rumph (JR) both return as starters. 4th year player and former starter Taylor Wyndham returns as a key back up. Senior Collins Ukwu also returns as a previous starter. Most BCS teams would kill to return a dline with this much experience. 3 Srs and 1 Jr in the front 4. Wow!
LB- not as much experience, unfortunately. Linebacker Avery Williamson returns for his 3rd season. He split time with Sneed last year and ultimately started getting more snaps than Sneed over the last 4 games. Minter recently said Williamson is essentially a returning starter. JR Malcom McDuffin will be a first time starter, but he's been in the program for 3 yrs and has been Trevathen's primary backup. Alvin Dupree is young, but he will be starting for the 2nd year in a row. Not bad.
CB- this is the weak spot as far as depth goes. Now, Cartier Rice (SR) has played a ton at UK over the years, but mostly as the nickle. He will line up as the full time starter this season. Eric Dixon is the only other CB returning with previous experience. Yikes.
Safety- Neloms is a 3 or 4 year starter and the heart and soul of the secondary. He made big plays against everybody. Mikey Benton will return to start for his second season in a row., though Ashley Lowry is breathing down his neck.
All in all, UK has a lot more experience coming back than people are aware of. Most of these kids have had the advantage of redshirting as well.
Compared to UL's group of kids that have been thrown to the wolves right out of highschool, UK definitely has an "experience" advantage IMO.
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MinterWonderlnd said...
Yes, UL has a lot of starters returning, but they're mostly kids that have never redshirted and Strong threw into the starting lineup from Day 1. They're still very, very young. Only 2 seniors on UL's 2 deep depth chart on defense.
UK has a lot of "experience" returning. UK's guys are kids that have been in the program for a while and know the system. Lets take a look.
QB- Maxwell Smith- the most inexperienced guy on offense, but has had pretty much the same ammount of time in the program as Teddy Bridgwater. Both QB's became starters last year as a result of injuries. Both finished the Fall as starters and both got all of the reps in Spring Practice.
RB- assuming Clemons is out, UK has 2 very experienced RBs. They return 2 guys that have been starters in Coshik Williams and Raymond Sanders. Coshik is a SR and Sanders a JR. Lots of experienc there.
WR- UK will start at a 4 yr starter in Larod King. They will also probably start another kid that's been in the program for 4 years in EJ Fields. Fields killed UL last year, so we know he's capable of having a big impact on this game.
TE- T Robinson will likely start. If he does, this will be his 3rd year as a starter in this offense. Senior Anthony Kendrick will also get snaps along with the inexperienced Shields.
OL- Warford and Smith are basically 4 year starters and projected as NFL draft picks. Kevin Mitchell is in his 4th year of the program and has been the primary back up at both guard and tackle for the last 2 years. Darrien MIller will return to start for his second year in a row. He was a standout last year. The only "newbie" will be Zac West. Plenty of "experience" overall in this group.
Defense
Wow, talk about experience up front.
DL- UK's dline will be one of the most experienced in the SEC. Cobble (SR) and Rumph (JR) both return as starters. 4th year player and former starter Taylor Wyndham returns as a key back up. Senior Collins Ukwu also returns as a previous starter. Most BCS teams would kill to return a dline with this much experience. 3 Srs and 1 Jr in the front 4. Wow!
LB- not as much experience, unfortunately. Linebacker Avery Williamson returns for his 3rd season. He split time with Sneed last year and ultimately started getting more snaps than Sneed over the last 4 games. Minter recently said Williamson is essentially a returning starter. JR Malcom McDuffin will be a first time starter, but he's been in the program for 3 yrs and has been Trevathen's primary backup. Alvin Dupree is young, but he will be starting for the 2nd year in a row. Not bad.
CB- this is the weak spot as far as depth goes. Now, Cartier Rice (SR) has played a ton at UK over the years, but mostly as the nickle. He will line up as the full time starter this season. Eric Dixon is the only other CB returning with previous experience. Yikes.
Safety- Neloms is a 3 or 4 year starter and the heart and soul of the secondary. He made big plays against everybody. Mikey Benton will return to start for his second season in a row., though Ashley Lowry is breathing down his neck.
All in all, UK has a lot more experience coming back than people are aware of. Most of these kids have had the advantage of redshirting as well.
Compared to UL's group of kids that have been thrown to the wolves right out of highschool, UK definitely has an "experience" advantage IMO.
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ShockeyFork said...
Thought I'd lend a hand in tidying-up a few typos/oversights, Not that they'll change the viewpoint you are putting forward, but I do think the below are some valid clarifications:
On the D-side of the ball:
-Cobble is not a Sr., but a Jr who has one year of game experience. -McDuffen is not a Jr., but a rsSo. with very little game experience. He may have been DT's primary backup last year, but DT didn't come off the field much -It's a stretch and a little misleading to say Dupree is starting for the 2nd year in a row. Stated that way makes you think is was on the field as a starter for a full year for most of the snaps. He wasn't...far from it. -Rumph came in out-of-shape and his freshman year was pretty much a year of conditioning. He does have the added benefit of maturity in years/age. -Benton, a gritty, hard-working walk-on (former?), is a Sr. with pretty much one year of significant game experience and another year prior to that of spot/situational experience.
On offense: -Kendrick is a Jr., not a Sr. and has played sparingly thus far. -Due to injuries, Sanders has not been able to fully participate in games during his two years. -C. Williams saw pretty much his first significant game action last year. -Maybe Mitchell can be called a primary backup, but with Lanefski and Murphy ahead of him as the primary backups over the past two years, he really hasn't had that much game experience. -Woods may be a Sr, but my recollection is that he has even less game experience than Mitchell, which means close to nil. -Yeah, E J Fields has been in the program for awhile, but due to various injuries he has less than one year's game experience. -I don't recall T. Robinson was being the predominant starter his Fr year, but he certainly has significant game experience.
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SEC Fanatic said...
I think KY's best chance is to go against what Minter typically wants to do, which is bring pressure from different areas to confuse the offense.
In this case, I think making a young QB in Bridgewater beat you with his arm rather than his legs when the pocket breaks down is the key. I am afraid to much pressure other than the front four/three will cause running lanes in which we all know KY had been horrid over the years in containing a dual threat QB. I think I would like my chances keeping everything in front of the defense while making Louisville have to sustain 8+ plus play drives with TB possibly prone to mistakes as he is still rounding out as a quarterback. Using a variation of combo coverages in the back seven could cause enough confusion against a talented, yet still young Louisville passing attack.
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MinterWonderlnd said...
Thanks, Shockey. I got the player's class from rivals.com. Looks like they have some typos. Appreciate the correction.
Regardless, both coaches have been at their respective programs for the exact ammount of time. They've had time to bring in 3 full classes and develop the kids they inherited. If the younger kids are better than those which were inherited, each coach has the option to play them over the older guys.
It couldn't be any more fair unless it was played on a neutral field. Since it isn't, UL should be a 7 pt favorite.
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hoptownukfan said...
Experience means little to nothing if it isn't talented and if it hasn't played.
To say UofL is "very very young" is simply not accurate. It's spin. UofL has 18 starters. UK has Nowhere close to that. UOFL returns nearly their entire o-line and 3 starters on their d-line. They return their entire secondary and 2/3 linebackers. They return every receiver.
To say that Smith and Bridgewater have "similar experience" is laughable. Bridgewater took every snap from the middle of the first quarter of game 2 until the end of the season and had 15 bowl practices to boot. Smith started three games last year. Bridgewater started 11. he got first team snaps nearly all season including a bowl practice. Smith got first team naps for 3 weeks.
King is not a 4 year starter. He played significant minutes in the slot as a freshman but he wasn't the starter. Our other two receiver spots have no experience. At tight end we have some experience but we've recruited over that talent and will likely have a first time starter.
It's bizarre to see your desire in making it seem that UK should somehow be "expected" to beat UofL at UofL. I think the game is a slight advantage to UofL since it's at their place. But to try and act as if UK somehow has more experience is false and weird?
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