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nawlinsbaby said...
Actually his crews don't normally allow games to be played nearly that physical. I've never seen Shows let so much go on in a game he has done at Rupp. It's just part of the style of play. Arkansas and Louisville (and UK when Pitino was here) get away with more fouls, especially at home, because of their phyiscal play. You could call a foul almost every other time down the court if they wanted to. We as fans had no problem with that style of play when it was used to our advantage with Pitino. Lets not forget about that. We like it when it helps us but complain when someone else does it to us. That, for most people, is reality. I won't lump all UK fans in there, but definitely a good portion of them.
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hoptownukfan said...
Not true. Look at how valentine put that style of play to bed in the first 10' minutes of the mizzou game. Mizzou tried to play that way but he refs cleaned it up quick.
Shows absolutely allows games to be brawls. He's proven it over and over When he has Called our games. Look at the results.
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nawlinsbaby said...
You don't always get the benefit of the calls on the road like you do at home. Especially when playing in Rupp or any other big name schools gym like Duke or Carolina or Kansas. If Mizzou was at home it would have been a little more lenient, more than likely. But you never know how the game will be called for sure.
As for Shows, I have seen him in person at Rupp numerous times over the past 6 seasons as a season ticket holder. He loves blowing his whistle and being the center of attention. I actually think he does a good job of trying to not let games get out of hand physically. But I don't want to argue about refs all night. They are all pretty good at what they do even though some seem to have agendas against people (Shows and Cal). But they all make mistakes also. Some of them bad mistakes. Lets remember though that we as spectators and fans have the advantage of replays on tv when watching at home and when in attendance at a game you also have the advantage of being elevated (most people) and having a better view of the whole court. These guys are running up and down the floor full of guys that are mostly bigger and taller than the refs themselves. They can't always be in the best positions to see everything that goes on.
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nawlinsbaby said...
You don't always get the benefit of the calls on the road like you do at home. Especially when playing in Rupp or any other big name schools gym like Duke or Carolina or Kansas. If Mizzou was at home it would have been a little more lenient, more than likely. But you never know how the game will be called for sure.
As for Shows, I have seen him in person at Rupp numerous times over the past 6 seasons as a season ticket holder. He loves blowing his whistle and being the center of attention. I actually think he does a good job of trying to not let games get out of hand physically. But I don't want to argue about refs all night. They are all pretty good at what they do even though some seem to have agendas against people (Shows and Cal). But they all make mistakes also. Some of them bad mistakes. Lets remember though that we as spectators and fans have the advantage of replays on tv when watching at home and when in attendance at a game you also have the advantage of being elevated (most people) and having a better view of the whole court. These guys are running up and down the floor full of guys that are mostly bigger and taller than the refs themselves. They can't always be in the best positions to see everything that goes on.
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nawlinsbaby said...
You don't always get the benefit of the calls on the road like you do at home. Especially when playing in Rupp or any other big name schools gym like Duke or Carolina or Kansas. If Mizzou was at home it would have been a little more lenient, more than likely. But you never know how the game will be called for sure.
As for Shows, I have seen him in person at Rupp numerous times over the past 6 seasons as a season ticket holder. He loves blowing his whistle and being the center of attention. I actually think he does a good job of trying to not let games get out of hand physically. But I don't want to argue about refs all night. They are all pretty good at what they do even though some seem to have agendas against people (Shows and Cal). But they all make mistakes also. Some of them bad mistakes. Lets remember though that we as spectators and fans have the advantage of replays on tv when watching at home and when in attendance at a game you also have the advantage of being elevated (most people) and having a better view of the whole court. These guys are running up and down the floor full of guys that are mostly bigger and taller than the refs themselves. They can't always be in the best positions to see everything that goes on.
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montana81 said...
I don't think it was going to matter who officiated this game. Arkansas gets away with murder at home regardless of who the officials are. They have all year.
80 points per game at home versus 60 on the road. Thats an pretty ridiculous number. Part of it, as with most teams, they shoot better at home. But another big part of that is that style is much less effective if you don't get the whistle. Never win anything meaningful that way.
And the road vs home officiating in the SEC has to be the worst in the country and it's gotten steadily worse since Gerald Boudreaux took over as the coordinator.
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ukcat15 said...
Too bad he went west of the Mississippi to call the game in Fayetteville.
I'm usually reluctant to blame the officials but, with Arkansas' style of play, officiating is at least one big reason they have a superior record at home and a poor record on the road. Based on a quick perusal of their box scores, it appears that when they are on the road they are called for more fouls than their opponents. At home, their opponents are called for more fouls than them. When a pressing team gets away with fouling they end up with a bunch of easy points due to turnovers. Therefore, the lack of a foul call has a much greater impact than the lack of a foul call against a team that just plays physical in the half court (a Bob Huggins team, for instance).
That said, the players and Cal also deserve their share of credit (or blame) for the loss. The players have to fight through contact and force the refs to have to call a foul (the same argument that I make about defensive ends in football who complain about being held).
But Cal also should have been prepared for the press. His intent, apparently, was to bring the ball up deliberately against the press where the Cats could then beat Arkansas with better execution and skill. He should have known, however, that almost every time Harrow has faced a team that plays physical against him, he shies away from contact -- he even shies away from the ball. Given that, once it was clear that his guards struggled to break the press (and not just Harrow -- despite all his hustle, Polson struggled as well), he should have been prepared to ATTACK the press and use Arkansas' aggressiveness against them to get easy baskets for UK. They should have prepared to beat the press with the pass instead of the dribble. And once they beat it, attack the basket before they get back and set their defense.
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ukcat15 said...
Too bad he went west of the Mississippi to call the game in Fayetteville.
I'm usually reluctant to blame the officials but, with Arkansas' style of play, officiating is at least one big reason they have a superior record at home and a poor record on the road. Based on a quick perusal of their box scores, it appears that when they are on the road they are called for more fouls than their opponents. At home, their opponents are called for more fouls than them. When a pressing team gets away with fouling they end up with a bunch of easy points due to turnovers. Therefore, the lack of a foul call has a much greater impact than the lack of a foul call against a team that just plays physical in the half court (a Bob Huggins team, for instance).
That said, the players and Cal also deserve their share of credit (or blame) for the loss. The players have to fight through contact and force the refs to have to call a foul (the same argument that I make about defensive ends in football who complain about being held).
But Cal also should have been prepared for the press. His intent, apparently, was to bring the ball up deliberately against the press where the Cats could then beat Arkansas with better execution and skill. He should have known, however, that almost every time Harrow has faced a team that plays physical against him, he shies away from contact -- he even shies away from the ball. Given that, once it was clear that his guards struggled to break the press (and not just Harrow -- despite all his hustle, Polson struggled as well), he should have been prepared to ATTACK the press and use Arkansas' aggressiveness against them to get easy baskets for UK. They should have prepared to beat the press with the pass instead of the dribble. And once they beat it, attack the basket before they get back and set their defense.
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ukcat15 said...
Hoptown, I would have inbounded the ball with Mays to Harrow with Poythress, WCS, and Goodwin spaced at midcourt. As soon as the ball was inbounded, I would run WCS (or Wiltjer when he was in) to the top of the key in the backcourt. If the double-team came at Harrow, he would immediately pass the ball to WCS with Mays running up the opposite side of the court. From that position, WCS would first look to one of the wings at midcourt. If he could get it to them quickly, either one could attack in the open court before the defense was set. If not, Mays would be open opposite where the double-team came at Harrow. And once WCS passed the ball, he could use his athleticism to beat his man and be in position for following a miss or a pass for an easy bucket.
If UK started getting some easy buckets against the full-court trap, Arkansas would have been forced to come out of it. They would likely still press (it's in Anderson's DNA) but it would have likely been man-to-man pressure and would not have resulted in the kinds of turnovers and easy buckets that doomed Kentucky.
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